Tilemahos new rebuildable part (springomizer)

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I haven't checked but I would imagine the whole Spring is giving the resistance of 1.2 Ohms, before its placed in the rebuildable part.
Perhaps Imeo could get some higher Ohm springs made ;) I would like to have them read at 1.2-1.4 myself as that's my usual style.


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i bought two springomomizers 2mm..... they are both sitting also... dry hits.... im used to 1.2 ohm here witch i cant get from springs.. ill stick to the old way myself... and i have used every tank he has made since ufs iatty days...
I find that it wicks great with less cotton than I usually use. Very little resistance when pulling it through, Just enough to make contact with the Spring


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Like leem i have to say, that the delivered springs are on the 'short' side. Getting 1,2-1,4 ohm is practically impossible.
mounting them on the absolute edges I get 0,9 ohm and not more.
i helped myself by making my own SS springcoils.

But, imeo, you said the springs start with 1,4 ohms. They don't. At least, not mounted.
Will you make some with higher resistance?
I suppose they will be better/sturdier than my selfmade springcoils.

On the other hand: I had my first subohm experience!

Nice ... and ...?
I hate to refill my tank after a short dogwalk. And I dont want to change my battery this often either. And I dont like having this much condensate in my mouthpiece. I just dont want to be forced to vape subohm.

aside from that - your new rebuildable rules!
It's a fun to use it.

And if i have to make my own springcoils - It's ok. Its easier than making oldfashioned coils.
 

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fryfour, please change springomizer's housing with Tilemahos V2 plus housing :)

Guys, thank you for liking springomizer! As for the resistance, I know what happened. My samples were measured at 1,4 between posts but the mass production was slightly different and I didnt notice it. The distance between posts was meant to be at 0,25mm and it came at 0,4mm. Anyway, next batch of springs will have bigger resistance :)
 

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i bought two springomomizers 2mm..... they are both sitting also... dry hits.... im used to 1.2 ohm here witch i cant get from springs.. ill stick to the old way myself... and i have used every tank he has made since ufs iatty days...

fryfour, please change springomizer's housing with Tilemahos V2 plus housing :)

Guys, thank you for liking springomizer! As for the resistance, I know what happened. My samples were measured at 1,4 between posts but the mass production was slightly different and I didnt notice it. The distance between posts was meant to be at 0,25mm and it came at 0,4mm. Anyway, next batch of springs will have bigger resistance :)
Hi Imeo,
I too am getting dry hits with the springomizer and I've tried eveything using both rayon and cotton. Now you know that I have been around for a while and I exclusively use your attys. I am kind of disappointed with this right now especially when you tell me or anyone having dry hits that they now have to get another part to fix it as I don't have any v2 housings. So it's going to cost me for 2 V2 housings cause I got 2 springomizers and shipping, that's 35 euros right there. Just doesn't seem right to me.
 

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I would try what leemc37 has done, use less wicking material. As he mentioned, just enough to contact coil. Cotton will swell slightly when it gets saturated and make more contact with the coil at that point. Also makes sense that juice will flow more quickly through less dense cotton. I've done that and opened the juice control slightly more than I would with a 'built' coil. No dry hits and I'm using 100% VG with the housing the Springomizer comes with.
Haven't tried this with rayon, but I will on my next re-build and let you all know.
Keep in mind too, this is a new 'coil system' so some change should be expected, what was optimal in the past isn't with the new ;)
 

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Hi Imeo,
I too am getting dry hits with the springomizer and I've tried eveything using both rayon and cotton. Now you know that I have been around for a while and I exclusively use your attys. I am kind of disappointed with this right now especially when you tell me or anyone having dry hits that they now have to get another part to fix it as I don't have any v2 housings. So it's going to cost me for 2 V2 housings cause I got 2 springomizers and shipping, that's 35 euros right there. Just doesn't seem right to me.
you don't need a new housing. just try using less wick and also really open up your juice control. i've been using mine almost all the way open. its wicking fine and i'm not getting any dry hits. and it doesnt leak either if you have the cotton just flush with the housing. and i'm using 90-100 VG juice
 

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Hey guys, when I said I've tried everything that's what I mean, less cotton, juice control more open and all the above. I feel that this is not the way it should be anyways. When I get my kanthul builds running good, they're really good and I chain vape till the tank is empty but with this right now I can only get a few toots and it starts drying out.
 

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Hi Imeo,
I too am getting dry hits with the springomizer and I've tried eveything using both rayon and cotton. Now you know that I have been around for a while and I exclusively use your attys. I am kind of disappointed with this right now especially when you tell me or anyone having dry hits that they now have to get another part to fix it as I don't have any v2 housings. So it's going to cost me for 2 V2 housings cause I got 2 springomizers and shipping, that's 35 euros right there. Just doesn't seem right to me.
Tazz, no reason for everyone to buy anything. That would be crazy! I said to V2 users to change housings IF they have dry hits.

Dry hits are produced of 3 reasons:
1. too much cotton (tight inside spring)
2. cotton is not cut flush to the feeding channels
3. Low resistance
 

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One of the things guys who are new to SS may have taken for granted is that you cannot afford to go for the same ohms you usually vape... CONVERSELY there is somewhat a differential rate... Mostly due to the dynamics of SS and the heating rhythm to it... Long story short... If you vaped around 1,0 ohm kanthal or similar, you may want to adjust and go for 0,5 ohm with SS, or somewhere along these lines...

I do not know whether the pattern is to be half the resistance throughout or is to change depending on the different ohms, but then again, in my experience if you were almost sub-ohm, or near (1,0 - 1,4) before SS, you'll notice around 0,5 - 0,9 is to do the trick now!

So, if you were expecting something close to 1,4 as officially intended, bear in mind that the 0,9 minimum you are getting now is where you want to be! Bear in mind also that the feel of SS is different and an acquired taste in a way... Give it a while!

OTOH, most of us seem to be on the same page here and ended up with cotton nowhere near tight (rather on the almost-loose side -not loose though; minimum tightness, so to speak), and cut flush... Opening up juice control full for the most part! Maybe next batch or Penny and Oddies' updates should come with wider channels, Imeo! And a bit of room to tuck in some cotton would not hurt either! ;)

But, bottom line, I think that spring-based coils are the new standard! Period. Congrats Greek Master!

Oh, and hurry on Penny's update... Please! ASAP. =)
 
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Tazz, no reason for everyone to buy anything. That would be crazy! I said to V2 users to change housings IF they have dry hits.

Dry hits are produced of 3 reasons:
1. too much cotton (tight inside spring)
2. cotton is not cut flush to the feeding channels
3. Low resistance
Well I have two V2's and :
1. I use as little cotton as possible
2. I always cut flush, even from before I got these
3. I'm running it at 1ohm

So it seems to me that since I don't have a V2+ housing and I'm still getting dry hits even after doing everything suggested that you are saying to use a V2+ housing and the only way for me to do that is to buy them.
 

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Well I have two V2's and :
1. I use as little cotton as possible
2. I always cut flush, even from before I got these
3. I'm running it at 1ohm

So it seems to me that since I don't have a V2+ housing and I'm still getting dry hits even after doing everything suggested that you are saying to use a V2+ housing and the only way for me to do that is to buy them.

Tazz, I guess Imeo was focusing on essentials, but there are other factors to the equation...

I think you should first make sure that the combination of 1 and 2 are accurate. I think that a bit too much cotton can translate into dry hits easily, same as a bit too less... You need to make sure you've found that perfect balance... This is specially necessary with this update.

Then, you could check other factors next... For instance... Is you air intake regulated too tight, because if it is, then this may be responsible for dry hits in combination with effortless drags, if that is the case. Inversely, if air is too open and you are not inhaling strong enough, liquid may not drain by the Venturi-like effect which usually compensates for the lack of capillary action... So it's always a combination of factors. Play with regulating air and inhaling techniques here..

OTOH, you expect things to work out of the box and avoid any learning curve or process to it, especially because of the plug-and-play factor Imeo promised! I get it, haaaa! LOL And you are somewhat frustrated, in return, being experienced and that, I imagine! We have all been there... Sometimes, it's simply Gods of Vapor who are against us, and they simply won't grant us the Vape Ways; one day we wake up and atties simply work for no observable reason again... And no matter how silly this may sound and even at the risk of coming across as a clown, I think attitude may also play an important role, so just relax...! ;)

I mean, once we relax we'll very likely be able to figure what's wrong easily!

Last but not least... Maybe you should try this... Just a thought! Listen... Cut the cotton just flush but not with the outside threads rather with the very inside concavity of channels or hole... Even a bit on the inside... And see what happens...
This idea could work best accompanied by a harder pull as you drag... Try it and tell us!

=)

PS: The plug-and-play factor is there, just that maybe Imeo miscalculated a thing or two! Haaaaaaaa! Just kidding! But he kind of did. LOL But jokes aside, just think of it this way... Next update will certainly be 100% ready, and this is, say, 80%...? So fair enough! Relax and work it out, simply 20 per cent to go, almost there Tazz, you'll figure it!

PS Bis= BTW and just in case, you did try to lower the housing by replacing o-ring as Imeo suggested as a second option to change housing altogether, right? Cause this helps!
 
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.. If you vaped around 1,0 ohm kanthal or similar, you may want to adjust and go for 0,5 ohm with SS, or somewhere along these lines...

Hi rev, I know that. And I'm using SS for coiling already for a while. 0,9ohms is so far fine for me. But, to get that I have to be realy cautious inserting the spring. it's at its limits.
having a spring which gives me around one or two windings more room to fix it between the posts would be better. I suppose one has to use a thinner wire to accomplish that.

@Imeo
Thanks for your answer. and as I said: i love the new rebuildable.
the new batch of springs will be perfect :)
 

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One thing about dry hits: If you fill up the tank to the rim. It can happen, that you get after a while of continous vaping burned taste. Thats because there isn't enough air in the tank to compensate and liquid can't flow. Tilt your atty sometimes, so that it can get some air. And yes, close your air control a little but more is always a good idea.
 
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