Titanium wire, vaping and safety

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Normal metals are made up of millions of tiny crystals. If the metals are distorted / deformed the individual crystals distort slightly different depending on their individual orientation. Since the distortion of each individual crystal (grain) is non uniform the surface of the overall structure becomes slightly more rough. The more the metal is distorted the more roughness appears. Straightening the wire causes a lot of distortion of the grains. The grey color is a result of light not being reflected uniformly from the rough surface. This is normal and has absolutely nothing to do with the safety of the wire for vaping. Relax and enjoy.

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Thanks for the quick reply...I was pretty sure it would be ok. Just wanted to make sure, after 52 years of smoking...didn't want to develop another bad habit. ;)
 

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Here's a "puzzle". Bought the CoilMaster 521 Tab. Wanted to anneal some Unkamen titanium 26/28 gauge wire using its included banana plug cables and alligator clips. Took approximately 6 inches of wire, ohms read about 1.0, though getting an accurate reading is hard with the really cheap clips. This CM 521 takes an 18650 battery. My first concern was the 3.9 volt battery might heat up the wire too quickly, but just the opposite. I could smell something burning off, but even in a dark room the wire never changed at all.

I moved the clips an inch apart, and the wire went up in flames. I moved the clips about 3 inches apart and got a low glow, and the wire blued just in that area.

Wondering why I can't pulse the entire 6 inches of wire? All I can think of is the cheap clips may not make a tight enough clamp on the wire. I would make my own clips, but I may be returning it, as the 510 threads in the top of the 521 do not work with most of my tanks, a known issue with early batches of these devices. Opinions?
 
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Maybe you should clean it before straighten it. When you straighten it then clean it I dont think you are cleaning it good enough from the twisting of the drill. I use unkamen and has no taste at all.
I do it before and after
I clean it until nothing comes off for a few wipes. When I straighten it I clean it before and after. If I make a coil out of it twisted or not it has the odd taste. If I make a coil non straightened twisted or not I don't get the odd taste.
 
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So little time. Have been trying to read T1 threads for a month and can't get through them. Hope for a quick easy answer/will read full thread when i have time. But will never get started without some direction first to test (see if i like it better than NI200)...

Vape Desert Juices, 6 mg. Love Kanathal, all over map from 0.5 Goliath V2 Dual Coil airier draw - 1.18 Nautilus type tight draw - to mixed feelings using Ni200 at 392 F, 30 watts ( about taste, not clouds-don't like juice too hot). BUT ONLY find using Ni200, I only like it at 0.17ohms...seems to be spot for me otherwise I don't taste nuances of juice.
So think I should wrap at 26g T1,8 or 9 wraps slightly spaced for ohms of roughly 0.35Ω - 0.50Ω.or am I way off? (think i might be off?)

Will use YiHi chip TC mods at first, either iPV3 li or iPV D2....can anyone please give me an idea of my best settings, considering the above...will be desert cereal vape or vanilla custard type juice....THX
 
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Normal metals are made up of millions of tiny crystals. If the metals are distorted / deformed the individual crystals distort slightly different depending on their individual orientation. Since the distortion of each individual crystal (grain) is non uniform the surface of the overall structure becomes slightly more rough. The more the metal is distorted the more roughness appears. Straightening the wire causes a lot of distortion of the grains. The grey color is a result of light not being reflected uniformly from the rough surface. This is normal and has absolutely nothing to do with the safety of the wire for vaping. Relax and enjoy.

Duane

Always nice to have materials scientist lurking about, huh folks?
 
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@cigatron,
BUT MUTED FLAVOR.
Same juice, in another Subtank with stock prebuilt .5 ohm Kanthal coil, LOTS OF FLAVOR.
Is there TOO much cotton in a 3mm ID coil? All I can think of!

Had same problem with 2 STM in Feb. For 3 months I tried, tried, tried and MUTED all the way. Cleaned, Ultrasonic cleaner +++....Finally someone asked if i were removing the O-Rings. I wasn't. Was suggested there might be machine oil under one. Had heard of it before a few times. Stripped down each atty, futher, o-Rings, etc, soaked in 1/2 vinegar + 1/2 water and let hand dry. Never had that muted taste since, on either. Now both are in daily rotation. Worth a shot trying.
 

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I have this wire, the 26g is thinner than 26g should be, more like 27, or 27.5g. I suspect its china wire, but it works fine. I've been using it in dual coil RTAs lately more because its a little thinner.

I don't think I'll order another spool of it though, its OK, but I think I still prefer the unkamen true 26g to it.

Hmmm, there goes my idea of building my first T1 build as thats the same one i have :(
Am finding it impossible to find anything outside of Kanathal in Toronto, or somewhere in Canada to order from.
Even Ni200 is impossible to purchase..

If anyone here knows of a good T1 wire IN Canada.....or even Toronto, please let me know
 

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@TheotherSteveS You know it is really weird but the CW still has a better flavor after cleaning then the Unk does. I can't put my finger on it but I know that my favorite flavor doesn't taste the same. The Irish Creme that I have in the one with CW tastes just like it is supposed to. Think I will put a new coil in my fave Creme Brulee tonight and check it out with the CW. Plus I notice the CW hits temp way faster. My favorite Butter Head.
 

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Finally the Ti has arrived here in NS!
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They even sent a bag of Aspire Nautilus Bling... :)
 

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Sure but here in Canada we just can't seem to catch a break on anything vape wise.
Everything seems to be American based so already we are looking at a low Canadian dollar today, rather than a year ago which already really increases the price but for many shipments it's an automatic $10 fee on top of the product that wouldn't cost most anywhere close and which can really add up with every purchase, especially if a small one. It becomes harder to rationalize the cost. Therefore the ease for us is ordering from China. But very littles getting out, past China Post this past month and 2 week orders are turning into 3 month ones-------I just was oping that there might be some smart Canadian company here close to home that was selling some great wire and that I might actually be able to get my hands on to it within 3 days......no such luck I see :)

Finally the Ti has arrived here in NS!

How long did that take, please?

You will need to tumble your creations after you make them. I use mixed shape steel shot and burnishing solution and tumble them for several days.

? What exactly does this above paragraph mean? lol
 

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Sure but here in Canada we just can't seem to catch a break on anything vape wise.
Everything seems to be American based so already we are looking at a low Canadian dollar today, rather than a year ago which already really increases the price but for many shipments it's an automatic $10 fee on top of the product that wouldn't cost most anywhere close and which can really add up with every purchase, especially if a small one. It becomes harder to rationalize the cost. Therefore the ease for us is ordering from China. But very littles getting out, past China Post this past month and 2 week orders are turning into 3 month ones-------I just was oping that there might be some smart Canadian company here close to home that was selling some great wire and that I might actually be able to get my hands on to it within 3 days......no such luck I see :)
AceVaper up on Bayview sells TA1 Wire in 28g and 26g. I don't have any idea what quality it is but look like the same stuff FT sells.
http://acevaper.ca/product/titanium-wire-toronto-canada/
 

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AceVaper up on Bayview sells TA1 Wire in 28g and 26g. I don't have any idea what quality it is but look like the same stuff FT sells.
http://acevaper.ca/product/titanium-wire-toronto-canada/

Thanks. Going to copy your order. Ive spent so much time with Ni200 I have not had time to read through this thread so please confirm that what you ordered, exactly is considered perfect for vaping with? I thought i had read somewhere that we weren't supposed to use the same wires that jewellers did.....but i will assume that the info in this thread is the one I shall trust. Use 26/28 with Kanathal so yours looked fine to me.....just want to get a final OK from you before i order (no time to read through 100+ pages to confirm)
I can deal with that time frame although 3 days would have been perfect :)
No, bought one spool from China. Saw it mentioned here that it wasn't very good. Don't want to try it in case it turns me off so badly I don't want to try again ;) (don't like chinese wire AT ALL)

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Thanks. Going to copy your order. Ive spent so much time with Ni200 I have not had time to read through this thread so please confirm that what you ordered, exactly is considered perfect for vaping with? I thought i had read somewhere that we weren't supposed to use the same wires that jewellers did.....but i will assume that the info in this thread is the one I shall trust. Use 26/28 with Kanathal so yours looked fine to me.....just want to get a final OK from you before i order (no time to read through 100+ pages to confirm)
I can deal with that time frame although 3 days would have been perfect :)
No, bought one spool from China. Saw it mentioned here that it wasn't very good. Don't want to try it in case it turns me off so badly I don't want to try again ;) (don't like chinese wire AT ALL)

thx
This is my first order of Ti wire, it was recommended to me as the kind I should pick up. Seems everyone has gone SS430 now so I might just have to get some of that too. Unkamen has a 200' spool of 28g on for $5 at the moment.

This is the stuff I ordered.
http://www.unkamensupplies.com/coll...-you-pick-gauge-14-16-18-20-22-24-26-28-30-32

Others here might chime in about your concerns and the wire as I am a new Ti user myself.
 
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Yes, I feel as If I am playing catch up. Got into Ni200 just as everyone was moving to T1 and now finally read and they are all going to SS.....lol....and of the ones I know that have, they seem to have moved away from TC and back to V/W mode so I am a bit confused at the moment anyhow. But my brain does not handle 145 pages of tech specs.

Thx, will order and check it out..in the meantime IF anything is wrong, which I doubt there is, hope someone chimes into say so but I really believe it's all ok.
Thanks for the help.
 
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Hold off on that SS wire until someone else confirms. IF I am looking at the one u mean to pick up, on sale there for $5, its 430 Grade 28g SS....I'm not positive but believe it needs to be 316(L)....see they have a pre-order of 317(L) but not sure of it but its annealed----don't yet see 316(l) there...will assume 317 will even be better but im not a wire geek so cant trust what i mention
 
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Thanks. Going to copy your order. Ive spent so much time with Ni200 I have not had time to read through this thread so please confirm that what you ordered, exactly is considered perfect for vaping with? I thought i had read somewhere that we weren't supposed to use the same wires that jewellers did.....but i will assume that the info in this thread is the one I shall trust. Use 26/28 with Kanathal so yours looked fine to me.....just want to get a final OK from you before i order (no time to read through 100+ pages to confirm)
I can deal with that time frame although 3 days would have been perfect :)
No, bought one spool from China. Saw it mentioned here that it wasn't very good. Don't want to try it in case it turns me off so badly I don't want to try again ;) (don't like chinese wire AT ALL)

thx

Hold off on that SS wire until someone else confirms. IF I am looking at the one u mean to pick up, on sale there for $5, its 430 Grade 28g SS....I'm not positive but believe it needs to be 316(L)....see they have a pre-order of 317(L) but not sure of it but its annealed----don't yet see 316(l) there...will assume 317 will even be better but im not a wire geek so cant trust what i mention
SS430 has a higher TCR value which makes it more accurate in TC than the 316/317. It also has 0.5% or less nickel in it making it a viable option for people with nickel allergies. The one benefit the 316/7 has is normally it's softer so there's no/less spring when coiling. However, the SS430 can easily be annealed removing most of the spring.

As far as the Ti, it's not so much what the seller is advertising it can be used for, ie jewelry, but if it is Grade 1, which Unkamen's is, so it's perfectly fine for vaping as many here can confirm.
 

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@TheotherSteveS You know it is really weird but the CW still has a better flavor after cleaning then the Unk does. I can't put my finger on it but I know that my favorite flavor doesn't taste the same. The Irish Creme that I have in the one with CW tastes just like it is supposed to. Think I will put a new coil in my fave Creme Brulee tonight and check it out with the CW. Plus I notice the CW hits temp way faster. My favorite Butter Head.

:)
Hey I'm not the butterhead, George is!! lol!

Just out of interest, have you done the double-blind experiment ie taset without knowing which wire is which?
 
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Hey I'm not the butterhead, George is!! lol!

Just out of interest, have you done the double-blind experiment ie taset without knowing which wire is which?
Now thats a tuffie unless I wrap the coil and fill the tank and wet the wick blindfolded. I have trouble enough doing it with reading glasses and a lighted magnifier.
 
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