Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[OhTheAgony]

Thanks for the tips gents

I currently use UD wire. I can get some vacuum annealed wire from The vape Mesh too but I think I'll try @disley his tip with the soft flame lighter first.

I tried dry burning it once (it was a different brand though, but I don't remember the name) & immediately got the white oxidation so I rather not do that again even if just for peace of mind.

I don't have a mod that does TCR so that's not an option right now.

I just got a fresh build going so it might be a while before I get to it, but I'll report back when I do!

edit: I didn't need a new coil but I had some twisted ti left from a previous built and thought I'd play with it a little. The lighter trick seems to do it. It was still a bit springy but much less so. I'll order some annealed wire as well for comparison as I wanted to try some other thicknesses anyway.

 

[proteckt3d]

Stealthvape have nice Ti wire too Agony

 

[cheech226]

i moved from an aspire triton to a stm using ti wire in october, and i've been coiling ti ever since. for the last week i've been using ss 316l and i like it a lot. works great in power or tc and it doesn't seem to gunk as quickly so i get that (good) new coil taste for much longer than my ti builds. i may have been converted. now, if my rayon would just show up....

 

[OhTheAgony]

Stealthvape have nice Ti wire too Agony

They do indeed, thanks for the tip

i moved from an aspire triton to a stm using ti wire in october, and i've been coiling ti ever since. for the last week i've been using ss 316l and i like it a lot. works great in power or tc and it doesn't seem to gunk as quickly so i get that (good) new coil taste for much longer than my ti builds. i may have been converted. now, if my rayon would just show up....

I'm very happy with how ti performs but I'm curious to try SS as well just for the ease of build. But I don't have mod that does SS in TC just yet

Maybe it's just me, but I prefer a properly worked in coil & wick myself, haha. They're best after a week or two for me. I only vape a couple of ml per day though, others probably reach that sweet spot way earlier.

 

[xpen]

Yeah much earlier, like the very same day I've built the new coil... going thru many ml a day [emoji4]
I find Ti to have a 'cleaner taste' than SS, but this latter is easier to rebuild with. Decisions, decisions... [emoji2]

 

[druckle]

Yeah much earlier, like the very same day I've built the new coil... going thru many ml a day [emoji4]
I find Ti to have a 'cleaner taste' than SS, but this latter is easier to rebuild with. Decisions, decisions... [emoji2]

I've tried just about everything for coils and for me Titanium is the winner overall. If I use annealed (soft) Grade 1Titanium, the coils are dead easy to build and the higher TCR gives way more acccurate temp control (I've verified this with thermocouple data). It's all a matter of the higher TCR for Titanium and the "relatively" higher resistance...and importantly the reproducibility that comes from a single element coil rather than a variable chemistry alloy. The closest in vape quality for me has been 430 stainless steel but I got a rude awakening with that alloy when three different batches all behaved differently. I had the same problems with the NiFe's only worse. Some are great, some not so much and it seems to depend entirely on the batch.

With Grade 1 Titanium I build a coil and it turns out exactly the same every time. The coils last a very long time. The current ones are all 3 months old or older and still going strong.

This is all personal preference but I think I have objective reasons for my preferences.

Duane

 

[cheech226]

i'm right with you on all the good reasons for using ti wire. i am getting better flavor over a longer period using temco 316l tho i hate to admit it
i've been using it in tc mode on my vtc mini and in spite of the low tcr it works well. my koopor mini doesn't do tc with ss so i've been running my theorem in power mode with no complaints.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Sorry if this is going over old ground but I see a lot of interest in Ti for TC vaping (myself included). Just noticed this from Stealthvape in Uk..

Titanium wires for vaping


Not sure what to think about this. They had a boatload to sell but decided not to on the basis it may be toxic under vaping conditions due to TiO2 production....

Though it might be good to throw it in there for discussion!

Just thought I'd trawl back to the start of this thread in April last year. Quite interesting how far TC vaping has come in such a short time. Also interesting how folks back then, myself included, were a little wary of Ti and now we are pretty much all rabid Ti evangelists. Now native Ti TCR support is an industry standard in mods of all types and prices. That, as they say, is progress!!!

Nostalgia is indeed what it used to be

Normal service will now be resumed!

 

[jj6404]

I've tried just about everything for coils and for me Titanium is the winner overall. If I use annealed (soft) Grade 1Titanium, the coils are dead easy to build and the higher TCR gives way more acccurate temp control (I've verified this with thermocouple data). It's all a matter of the higher TCR for Titanium and the "relatively" higher resistance...and importantly the reproducibility that comes from a single element coil rather than a variable chemistry alloy. The closest in vape quality for me has been 430 stainless steel but I got a rude awakening with that alloy when three different batches all behaved differently. I had the same problems with the NiFe's only worse. Some are great, some not so much and it seems to depend entirely on the batch.

With Grade 1 Titanium I build a coil and it turns out exactly the same every time. The coils last a very long time. The current ones are all 3 months old or older and still going strong.

This is all personal preference but I think I have objective reasons for my preferences.

Duane

I like titanium and I would still be using it over SS today if I could truly get it to last months like you and others say. I only build fused claptons and when it comes time to clean and rewick it's such a hassle and scare for me to slowly and lightly pulse those Ti claptons (kanthal outer BTW) to get the gunk off without creating Ti oxide or destroying my coil. How do you clean your titanium builds??


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[gorman]

To anneal wire on a TCR ADJUSTABLE mod I use these instructions for,
DRY BURNING TITANIUM G1:

Posted by ECF member "Balazsk":

"Program a curve with a TCR of 0.007. (0.00725 slightly hotter) and set the temperature to 572f/300c and assign it to an unused profile on the dna 200. Start at 10 watts, adjust higher if needed.

Max temperature will be limited to 1112f/600c (real) and you can pulse whatever you want and the coil will never be overheated to the point of forming TiO2... Gunk will fall off just like with a normal dry burn."

I've used this to great effect. Thank you for sharing.

Just a clarification on what you wrote. TiO2 always forms when annealing. The colors we see changing are the different thickness of oxide that forms on the wire. The oxide acts as a lens, refracting a portion of the visible spectrum, according to its thickness. Until it's colored, the oxide is stable and does not risk being dispersed in the air/liquid/etc. It's only when it's thick enough to look white that it risks dispersing.

 

[Mactavish]

I've used this to great effect. Thank you for sharing.

Just a clarification on what you wrote. TiO2 always forms when annealing. The colors we see changing are the different thickness of oxide that forms on the wire. The oxide acts as a lens, refracting a portion of the visible spectrum, according to its thickness. Until it's colored, the oxide is stable and does not risk being dispersed in the air/liquid/etc. It's only when it's thick enough to look white that it risks dispersing.

What you added was not in my post. I did quote from the original author. I still use Titanium wire as my main choice. If I see any white powder on my coils, I brush it off with a tooth brush and water. Only time I've ever seen it was when on purpose, I dry burned it to an extreme, just to learn. The whole issue has been over blown and scared many away from using a single alloy material. For those that are lazy, they should stick with the multiple alloy metals, like Stainlees steel, with its crappy low TCR. I play with SS, but I know what to expect. When I see the tons of posts on problems with SS, I scroll by. Good luck and enjoy!

 

[GeorgeS]

The overwhelming majority of my mods have user settable TCR now. Ti-01 was never a worry. I'm currently vaping on a 6-10mo old TI coil. (on of my last) While most of my coils are in NiFe these days I still have enough TI around that I could recoil all my tanks back over to it in a heartbeat.

Funny how the masses have migrated to one of the WORSE TC coil materials.

(I think I'll stick with wire's with TCR's above 100)

 

[mstave]

What you added was not in my post. I did quote from the original author. I still use Titanium wire as my main choice. If I see any white powder on my coils, I brush it off with a tooth brush and water. Only time I've ever seen it was when on purpose, I dry burned it to an extreme, just to learn. The whole issue has been over blown and scared many away from using a single alloy material. For those that are lazy, they should stick with the multiple alloy metals, like Stainlees steel, with its crappy low TCR. I play with SS, but I know what to expect. When I see the tons of posts on problems with SS, I scroll by. Good luck and enjoy!

I also stick mostly with Ti, but hav had some good success using SS430 (TCR of 138). Any of my mods with adjustable TCR settings (except the SIG213 for obvious reasons) provides reasonably good tc with this alloy.

 

[Mactavish]

I also stick mostly with Ti, but hav had some good success using SS430 (TCR of 138). Any of my mods with adjustable TCR settings (except the SIG213 for obvious reasons) provides reasonably good tc with this alloy.

I'll buy some 430 when I can find a US source that has some gauge options.

 

[petemoss]

I also stick mostly with Ti, but hav had some good success using SS430 (TCR of 138). Any of my mods with adjustable TCR settings (except the SIG213 for obvious reasons) provides reasonably good tc with this alloy.

I'm using SS430 (TCR 138) in a RX200 with good results. The SS default TCR is 120 I believe, which was very weak.

 

[RabbiXX]

First, thanks everyone who has contributed to this thread. It has been very educational

So, I just made my first titanium coil using 26awg from Temco. I can't get over how incredibly easy this wire was to work with.

I made this coil (2.75ID 12 wraps @~0.5ohms) in about a minute. Other than this, I have built with SS316, Kanthal, and NiFe30 (Dicodes). You make a bend, and it just stays without a fuss. I found it very easy to space too. Really glad I tried this out!

Here is a crappy picture of my first Ti coil. (prob do 10 wraps next time in this atomizer)

 

[thewomenfolk]

Does anybody here use Ni coils on a Plato and if so what temp and ohms do you find best?

 

[pbanj]

Does anybody here use Ni coils on a Plato and if so what temp and ohms do you find best?

Did you read the title of the thread lol

 

[RabbiXX]

After a couple weeks and almost 50ft of Ti wire used trying various builds, I think I have settled on 26awg 2.75ID 5 spaced wraps (tightly spaced).

No matter how many wraps I used, only the center of the coil seems to get hot enough to vaporize juice, so this has worked best for me for vapor production, juice flow, and taste. Simple, but effective.

 

[BNEAT]

Does anybody here use Ni coils on a Plato and if so what temp and ohms do you find best?

What's a Plato?