Titanium wire, vaping and safety
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The first tank was my own DIY ADV. I refilled with Cigarillos and it sure is nice, even nicer than kanthal if that's possible.
That's serious man. We should warn people [emoji14]
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I've been following this thread for weeks now, and the Titanium thread before it.
For the majority of us taking up Ti coils, it's about finding the best possible vape.
I appreciate those of you doing the complex calculations, and posting graphs and spreadsheets.
What I'd like to know is if there's any consensus on, temperature settings, ohms, and watts, for the best possible vape.
It's very subjective I know, but we need to share our knowledge and experience.
In the two weeks I've had Ti grade 1, in 26awg and 28awg gauge, bought from ZIVIPF.DE. I've tried various builds.
The first problem I hit was getting the ohms in the range of DNA40 TC. Initially trying for 0.2Ω, thinking Ti would have to be close to Ni ohms.
After realizing 0.5ohms would work in TC, that made it easier.
I use a genuine vaporflask DNA40. I use a single coil build in a Lemo 2.
My present build is 26awg (0.39mm) grade 1 Ti, with 8 wraps around a 3mm I.D rod, spaced coil, which gives me 0.38ohms, it never varies, and comes back to that when I reset after changing atty's.
I used the steam engine to work out the coil build.
I run the wire quickly through the gas flame, it turns a shiny blue, I also gently pulse the coil, to be sure there are no hot spots.
I set the temp on 370°f, and the watts at 30, depending on the ambient conditions this gives me a good vape, but the temperature protection kicks in too often, the watts and temp flicker all over the place and back in rapid succession. The ohms are static on 0.38Ω.
This gives me a decent vape, with enough clouds and throat hit, using 50/50 12mg nic juice, to keep me happy.
I'm sure other Ti users are getting more vapor and a satisfying vape.
It would really help to have a few posts, or even a new thread where we compare Ti builds and say which building methods were used. How the throat hit rates, and the amount of vapor being produced.
After all this is the aim of most vapers, along with doing it safely.
Thanks guys.
For the majority of us taking up Ti coils, it's about finding the best possible vape.
I appreciate those of you doing the complex calculations, and posting graphs and spreadsheets.
What I'd like to know is if there's any consensus on, temperature settings, ohms, and watts, for the best possible vape.
It's very subjective I know, but we need to share our knowledge and experience.
In the two weeks I've had Ti grade 1, in 26awg and 28awg gauge, bought from ZIVIPF.DE. I've tried various builds.
The first problem I hit was getting the ohms in the range of DNA40 TC. Initially trying for 0.2Ω, thinking Ti would have to be close to Ni ohms.
After realizing 0.5ohms would work in TC, that made it easier.
I use a genuine vaporflask DNA40. I use a single coil build in a Lemo 2.
My present build is 26awg (0.39mm) grade 1 Ti, with 8 wraps around a 3mm I.D rod, spaced coil, which gives me 0.38ohms, it never varies, and comes back to that when I reset after changing atty's.
I used the steam engine to work out the coil build.
I run the wire quickly through the gas flame, it turns a shiny blue, I also gently pulse the coil, to be sure there are no hot spots.
I set the temp on 370°f, and the watts at 30, depending on the ambient conditions this gives me a good vape, but the temperature protection kicks in too often, the watts and temp flicker all over the place and back in rapid succession. The ohms are static on 0.38Ω.
This gives me a decent vape, with enough clouds and throat hit, using 50/50 12mg nic juice, to keep me happy.
I'm sure other Ti users are getting more vapor and a satisfying vape.
It would really help to have a few posts, or even a new thread where we compare Ti builds and say which building methods were used. How the throat hit rates, and the amount of vapor being produced.
After all this is the aim of most vapers, along with doing it safely.
Thanks guys.
I'm using 26 gauge Ti with 7 wraps in a 3 mm inside diameter coil and have run on both SX mini M class and Vapor Flask Dna 40 with great vapor and no problem with hitting temp protection. My resistance is around 0.28 ohms. I generally use a single coil with this setup in temperature controlled mode because I find getting two coils at the same resistance with low ohm coils is tough. I've been using either a Magma Dripper or on a Vapor Flask Squonk I am using a Manta v2 modified for bottom feeding. Both work great at 20 watts although I've used 15-30 watts with no problems.
I think you may have one of the following problems....
1. inconsistant/loose connection somewhere. That could be at the 510 or a post screw ....
2 . a malfunctioning mod. I have owned 4 vapor flasks and 3 of them had to be returned for repair/replacement. The Squonk was sent to me with anodized battery cap threads and did what you are seeing till I scraped the anodized coating off the threads with a micro screw driver and put some silver conductive grease on the threads. (Only a very small amount of the silver grease. Why Vapor Flask would allow an intended current contact path to be coated with an eletrically insulative aluminum oxide is absolutely beyond me. Check your threads would be one recommendation.
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Hitting TC fast is usually a sign of bad wicking rather than a bad coil. What are you using as wicking material and how are you wicking it?
Most of us here use rayon and it takes some time to find the best build / trim to maximize juice flow. ELiquid is what cools the coil. Not enough liquid in the coil and it will overheat. In a normal mod this would produce dry hits. In a TC mod it produces fast hitting temp protection and poor vapor production.
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Tony
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So the world is listening apparently...
Titanium Wire Update
!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe they will sell off some of their 30000m of Ti wire at some point...lol! 30000m of wire that they knew nothing about?..really?!?! Eejits...
Titanium Wire Update
!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe they will sell off some of their 30000m of Ti wire at some point...lol! 30000m of wire that they knew nothing about?..really?!?! Eejits...
Yeah, I spoke extensively about this with Rob.
The wire they have is very thin. I'm not sure if it was 32g or even 34g so yeah, it will enter combustion if you fire 100W through it and you won't be able to put out the fire with water either.
However, as I stated a couple of months ago, the issue was always "liability". Note this sentence: "Manufacturers of boards utilising titanium wire assure us that it is safe for use and we’re happy to trust them to bear the responsibility of that statement"
It's obvious why they removed Ti from their offer months ago... nobody was there to take the blame if things went south. Now that you have manufacturers providing specific boards supporting officially Ti, they are off the hook and can sell it. I agree that I would never use titanium in a normal VW or, God forbit, a mech mode because we really shouldn't be overheating it but I'm fairly confident in TC mods.
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Yeah, I spoke extensively about this with Rob.
The wire they have is very thin. I'm not sure if it was 32g or even 34g so yeah, it will enter combustion if you fire 100W through it and you won't be able to put out the fire with water either.
However, as I stated a couple of months ago, the issue was always "liability". Note this sentence: "Manufacturers of boards utilising titanium wire assure us that it is safe for use and we’re happy to trust them to bear the responsibility of that statement"
It's obvious why they removed Ti from their offer months ago... nobody was there to take the blame if things went south. Now that you have manufacturers providing specific boards supporting officially Ti, they are off the hook and can sell it. I agree that I would never use titanium in a normal VW or, God forbit, a mech mode because we really shouldn't be overheating it but I'm fairly confident in TC mods.
ok. It is odd that they invested in soo much unuseable wire without doing even the most basic research though...Oh well.
Does that mean they will start selling it then??
I know many companies ahead of their time that made stupid investments. I got no confirmation from Rob about starting selling Ti but I bet my sweet .... that they will. Its economy. Evolve or die.
They started this over a year ago... nobody knew anything about titanium. Maybe they got a good deal, I don't know.
Ok, I agree but to weigh in with 30000m seems quite a high risk. Even on that quantity it must represent a huge cash investment for a relatively small business...anyway, lets see if it appears on their site any time soon!
Sometimes looks can be deceiving. SV is a small business with a HUGE turnaround. They probably deal way more in B2B than B2C, at least that's what I think based on several conversations with the owners. We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg
A few years ago, I was looking for a 10mm thick titanium grade 5 rod for a RC Glider which would cost around $100 . During my search I came across a metallurgic company that had gone bankrupt and their assets were being sold by weight. I remember back then seeing 1 metric Ton of ti wire listed for $300 or so... I thought at the time "Why can't it be 10mm rods dammit?" lol... good deals appear. When the Ti hype started for the first time in the UK, there was a rush for that wire (for mechs) and I wouldn't be suprised if a deal like the one I found came across SV. I don't know, speculation. Nobody in his right mind would buy 30.000m of ultra thin Ti wire unless it was one hell of a deal.
...and they had some idea of what it was useful for and what they were going to do with it....
If the price is right, I would have bought it too... even without knowing what to do with it at the time. You could sell it for jewelry or other stuff.
I would also have got the metric ton if it were 10mm titanium rods because I would sell the rest to flyers around the world
If the price is right, I would have bought it too... even without knowing what to do with it at the time. You could sell it for jewelry or other stuff.
I would also have got the metric ton if it were 10mm titanium rods because I would sell the rest to flyers around the world
you clearly have a more developed entrepreneurial spirit than I do!!
One thing is stating what I would do, another completely different is actually doing it. I'm excellent at buying stuff but I suck at selling anything lol.
Stealthvape confirmed it will stock Ti 24 and 26 vacuum annealed Ti. They have the spools going through their cleaning machines as we speak. They will be soft and shiny.
Can't reveal more info
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Tony
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Tony
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Oh awesome - not only is that good to have another supplier, it's great that it's Stealth because it's their fault so many people are being put off Ti, especially in the UK. If they'd remove that damned page it would be a start.
Crazy Wire are a bit behind with their two week estimate, coincidentally I just emailed them this afternoon to chase it up.
Yeah, the latest article was a redeem attempt. They are basically eating their hat on the first one.
Don't expect SV making crazy wire's prices though. They probably will be more in line with zivipf's.
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Tony
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Don't expect SV making crazy wire's prices though. They probably will be more in line with zivipf's.
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Tony
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