Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[druckle]

Druckle,

Tony said you knew a lot about Ti but you even thought of stuff (that makes sense) that I would have never even give a thought to i.e. Torch flame consuming the oxygen so not available to oxidize the Ti vs Dry burn which has all 20% Oxygen available to oxidize the metal. Gee this is "no country for old men" (I think that is the name of a movie)

George

LOL!

I did spend most of my working life developing titanium alloys but most of what I know from that is just background for a totally new use for titanium. I certainly never considered it could be used in a very pleasurable way for us to avoid smoking and protect our health.

I do think titanium has a lot of properties that makes it potentially a superior material for coils for vaping atomizers. I'm certainly doing a lot of experimenting with both Ni200 and C.P. Grade 1 titanium and so far Ti is winning. Unfortunately I don't think device manufacturers are likely to include temperature/resistance curves for titanium as part of their firmware for quite a while. The supply of titanium wire is just not there right now for a mass market but maybe someday....

One hope might be for a device like the Cldmkr Whiteout with their Arduino based electronics option which is supposed to be available in a couple of months. Cldmkr claims that this device will be completely open source and then we'll be able to program in our own temperature/resistance curves. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Duane

 

[TheotherSteveS]

George

LOL!

I did spend most of my working life developing titanium alloys but most of what I know from that is just background for a totally new use for titanium. I certainly never considered it could be used in a very pleasurable way for us to avoid smoking and protect our health.

I do think titanium has a lot of properties that makes it potentially a superior material for coils for vaping atomizers. I'm certainly doing a lot of experimenting with both Ni200 and C.P. Grade 1 titanium and so far Ti is winning. Unfortunately I don't think device manufacturers are likely to include temperature/resistance curves for titanium as part of their firmware for quite a while. The supply of titanium wire is just not there right now for a mass market but maybe someday....

One hope might be for a device like the Cldmkr Whiteout with their Arduino based electronics option which is supposed to be available in a couple of months. Cldmkr claims that this device will be completely open source and then we'll be able to program in our own temperature/resistance curves. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Duane

Wow. Glad you joined this thread!!

Just to say joyetech have a mod coming out soon with Ti capability!!

 

[HolmanGT]

Steve,

I wonder how the Jewelers do the color change thing without oxidizing the metal... Hmmm

One thing I have noticed about Tony is he is not afraid to get out ahead of the crowd that for damm sure.

 

[druckle]

Wow. Glad you joined this thread!!

Just to say joyetech have a mod coming out soon with Ti capability!!

Woha Hadn't heard that! Fantastic!
Do you have any information/links on that one?

Duane

 

[druckle]

Steve,

I wonder how the Jewelers do the color change thing without oxidizing the metal... Hmmm

One thing I have noticed about Tony is he is not afraid to get out ahead of the crowd that for damm sure.

They do oxidize it only they do it "just a little" so the oxide stays thin and gives interference colors from the incident light.

I think they anodize it, (pretty much like anodizing aluminum). They can also heat it to form the oxide film but it's harder to control to keep uniform temperature.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Woha Hadn't heard that! Fantastic!
Do you have any information/links on that one?

Duane

Hi duane
Here you go

Joyetech Evic VT 60 Watt | E-Cigarette Forum

No idea when it will be available though!!

 

[HolmanGT]

George

LOL!

I did spend most of my working life developing titanium alloys but most of what I know from that is just background for a totally new use for titanium. I certainly never considered it could be used in a very pleasurable way for us to avoid smoking and protect our health.

I do think titanium has a lot of properties that makes it potentially a superior material for coils for vaping atomizers. I'm certainly doing a lot of experimenting with both Ni200 and C.P. Grade 1 titanium and so far Ti is winning. Unfortunately I don't think device manufacturers are likely to include temperature/resistance curves for titanium as part of their firmware for quite a while. The supply of titanium wire is just not there right now for a mass market but maybe someday....

One hope might be for a device like the Cldmkr Whiteout with their Arduino based electronics option which is supposed to be available in a couple of months. Cldmkr claims that this device will be completely open source and then we'll be able to program in our own temperature/resistance curves. Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Duane

OK - we are amongst Titanium royalty

Now I have to go Goodle Cldmkr Whiteout. You really got me interested in Open Source Mods. That would be the greatest thing yet and I am sure Tony will start drooling when he reads about it.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Steve,

I wonder how the Jewelers do the color change thing without oxidizing the metal... Hmmm

One thing I have noticed about Tony is he is not afraid to get out ahead of the crowd that for damm sure.

You know I haven't seen too much on other forums about Ti. I think people were put off by the erroneous stuff posted a while ago by stealth vape et AL. To be honest I thought that we were really the only people interested along with folks like Rossum who have been on it forever. I must be wrong since joyetech seem to be clued in. Tony is certainly on the case!! Lol

 

[druckle]

Hi dune
Here you go

Joyetech Evic VT 60 Watt | E-Cigarette Forum

No idea when it will be available though!!

TheotherSteveS

THANKS!

 

[TheotherSteveS]

TheotherSteveS

THANKS!

You are most welcome!
Steve

 

[Phone Guy]

Hi dune
Here you go

Joyetech Evic VT 60 Watt | E-Cigarette Forum

No idea when it will be available though!!

Well I loved my tube evic when I used it. I thought it was amazing. I wish they'd of stay with that same concept but they'll probably sell a bunch of these too. Cool colors too

 

[druckle]

OK - we are amongst Titanium royalty

Now I have to go Goodle Cldmkr Whiteout. You really got me interested in Open Source Mods. That would be the greatest thing yet and I am sure Tony will start drooling when he reads about it.

George

Check out this link....the last half of it or so is a discussion with the Cldmkr guys.


Duane

 

[tchavei]

Oh - did I forget to mention that putting the crimps on and then getting them in the post holes is a real PITA - Oops.

PS - the good jewelry crimps are made from tubing that way you don't have to deal with seams in the crimp.

Yeah, you forgot but nothing some extra squeezing wouldn't solve. Those post holes are huge.

Next time I'm going to use a few 24k gold plated servo connectors I have here.

I expect that the reason you were getting more voluminous oxide when dry burning for an extended period of time was caused by the availability of oxygen being higher during the dry burn than it was in the torch flame. In a flame the oxygen content can vary greatly depending on the location of the wire. The flame can vary from oxidizing to reducing depending on the local availability of fuel and oxygen. That's why I always do a dry burn in the dark and try to pulse the current to avoid a glow for any length of time. I'm not really much concerned about the titanium oxide present being a health hazard in vaping but the loss of metallic titanium changes the resistance and titanium also absorbs oxygen quickly at higher temperatures which causes it to become brittle.

Never thought of it really. When I torch it, it's usually only on one side and only until the coil stays in shape using ceramic tweezers. This produces a rainbow of colors but the wire is still shiny and it's easier to make spaced or full contact coils.

Tony,

Are you using TC with those Coils? Compressed Coils on titanium? I had heard touching compressed Coils for TC is a no no.???

Nickel doesn't oxide easily that's why touching wraps will produce shorts.

I didn't know how touching Ti coils would behave but the resistance has been quite stable for the last 3 hours or so and TC has been working perfectly.

Steve,

I sure as heck ain't going to disagree with you and Druckle. I know when I am out of my element.

I am just waiting to see how Tony's touching Ti coils work out.

See above. Working great. Some oxide must form around the wire which is isolating the wraps.

OK - we are amongst Titanium royalty

Now I have to go Goodle Cldmkr Whiteout. You really got me interested in Open Source Mods. That would be the greatest thing yet and I am sure Tony will start drooling when he reads about it.

Cldmkr? I need to check that out

Regards
Tony

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[HolmanGT]

Yeah, you forgot but nothing some extra squeezing wouldn't solve. Those post holes are huge.

Next time I'm going to use a few 24k gold plated servo connectors I have here.



Never thought of it really. When I torch it, it's usually only on one side and only until the coil stays in shape using ceramic tweezers. This produces a rainbow of colors but the wire is still shiny and it's easier to make spaced or full contact coils.

Nickel doesn't oxide easily that's why touching wraps will produce shorts.

I didn't know how touching Ti coils would behave but the resistance has been quite stable for the last 3 hours or so and TC has been working perfectly.



See above. Working great. Some oxide must form around the wire which is isolating the wraps.

Cldmkr? I need to check that out

Regards
Tony

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Gold Crimps - now your just trying to make the rest of us feel inadequate.

But as far as the stable dual coil build whomever suggested using Crimps must have been on smart son of a gun.

 

[tchavei]

Lol... Yeah. A really wise man

About the gold crimps... I'm just going to try them because I have a box full of them and they cost me an arm and a leg back in my rc days. Yes, I never used extensions or bundled long cables with zip ties. Every servo lead was either cut to length or the servo was opened and a new longer lead was soldered and all connectors were hand crimped (3 per connector).

And people think I'm OCD about vaping... You guys should have seen any of my rc helis... All built to perfection. Heck I even used to use digital angle meters to get blade angles perfect

Thank God I grew up

Regards
Tony

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[druckle]

Thank God I grew up

Regards
Tony

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How long does it take to do that? I'm still working on it and I'm much closer to the end than the beginning.

Duane

 

[TheotherSteveS]

How long does it take to do that? I'm still working on it and I'm much closer to the end than the beginning.

Duane

I have always regarded growing up as something of an abstract concept that other people do.. No idea what it would entail and no desire to find out!

 

[HolmanGT]

How long does it take to do that? I'm still working on it and I'm much closer to the end than the beginning.

Duane

I have always regarded growing up as something of an abstract concept that other people do.. No idea what it would entail and no desire to find out!

I am like you Mr. Druckle closer to the far end than the beginning... but oh-He!! just call me Peter Pan.

@ Tony, after hearing your stories about your RC Helicopter days OCD would be the furthest thing from my mind. Oh can you really go to He!! for lying if true I am in deep poo-poo.

 

[tchavei]

How long does it take to do that? I'm still working on it and I'm much closer to the end than the beginning.

Duane

I mean growing up in the sense of knowing what really matters. One should spend his limited time flying the heck out those machines instead spending countless nights building and spending money in 24k crimps unless one realizes he enjoys building more than flying.

I actually liked both but some of my builds where clearly overkill and in the end a waste of time.

Regards
Tony

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[TheotherSteveS]

I am like you Mr. Druckle closer to the far end than the beginning... but oh-He!! just call me Peter Pan.

@ Tony, after hearing your stories about your RC Helicopter days OCD would be the furthest thing from my mind. Oh can you really go to He!! for lying if true I am in deep poo-poo.

Sadly I am no spring chicken either!! I do like this vaping lark though and maybe it will help me hang around a bit longer than if I had stayed on the unmentionables!!