Titanium wire, vaping and safety
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Tony
Did you get the VT? I'm really wondering how it does with Titanium.
When you get it ...Do Tell!
Duane
Did you get the VT? I'm really wondering how it does with Titanium.
When you get it ...Do Tell!
Duane
Yeah....I admit I did take a little mid afternoon nap....and a mental vacation too.You have been certainly sleeping... I think I posted EVERYWHERE I got it
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Tony
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Duane
Report regarding Ti
Test #1
Swap erlprinz from dna 40 to VT:
Was reading 0.42 on dna, reads 0.47 on VT (more on that later)
185C on dna matched 230C on VT. Perfect
Test #2
Swap mutation x from dna to VT:
Dna reads as 0.28, VT reads as 0.31 same temp settings much more vapor. Was using 20w on dna, minimum is 30w on VT. Had it from 50w to 30w. Better vapor and flavor.
Test #3
Running out of juice:
Perfect on erlprinz and mutation. Vapor dissipates, mod brings down watts to about 1.3, no burnt taste or scorching
Test #4
Water test:
Here things went wacked. Mod reads 108-112C with soaked wick even under running water.
Didn't had time to rewick after the test so I just boiled the water off, filled tank and go... Things became weird from that point. Erlprinz now reads 0.44 after refinement on VT, vapor is anemic to about 245C where it picks up and is great again. Should have rebuilt the atty after the test. I'm sure the water messed things up. My mutation is working perfectly on both mods.
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Tony
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Test #1
Swap erlprinz from dna 40 to VT:
Was reading 0.42 on dna, reads 0.47 on VT (more on that later)
185C on dna matched 230C on VT. Perfect
Test #2
Swap mutation x from dna to VT:
Dna reads as 0.28, VT reads as 0.31 same temp settings much more vapor. Was using 20w on dna, minimum is 30w on VT. Had it from 50w to 30w. Better vapor and flavor.
Test #3
Running out of juice:
Perfect on erlprinz and mutation. Vapor dissipates, mod brings down watts to about 1.3, no burnt taste or scorching
Test #4
Water test:
Here things went wacked. Mod reads 108-112C with soaked wick even under running water.
Didn't had time to rewick after the test so I just boiled the water off, filled tank and go... Things became weird from that point. Erlprinz now reads 0.44 after refinement on VT, vapor is anemic to about 245C where it picks up and is great again. Should have rebuilt the atty after the test. I'm sure the water messed things up. My mutation is working perfectly on both mods.
Regards
Tony
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Probably. The only nut I know off that did the same as me (not changing wick after a water test) had the same issues... It's probably the water.
I just vaped 9ml and the tank is full. Can't rebuild today or I'll puke lol.
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Tony
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Great news Tony! Glad you're pleased. I think I might order one from China, it's cheap enough not to think too hard about.
What does it show on screen as you vape? Obviously live watts - live temp too? How about live ohms?
What does it show on screen as you vape? Obviously live watts - live temp too? How about live ohms?
Incidentally guys my findings with the Dicodes are now strongly suggesting to me that the TCR of Titanium Gr1 - or at least of the Zivipf wire, if it could vary - is 0.0038 not 0.0035.
I was getting a pretty weak vape at 0.0035 / 350. It's a little clouded because I'm using two new atties, a Rose v2 clone which has very tight airflow, and my new Elprinz which has more but I'm also not used to. At first I thought it was the builds, but then got quite a different experience putting it on my SXK.
I'm now running the Dicodes at 380 (0.0038) and it's definitely better. Still having to put the temperature higher than I expected - I'm on 235°C on the Elprinz right now - but it's definitely noticeably improved since I went up from 0.0035.
The literature is confusing on Titanium. Several sources say 0.0035, but then at least one, possibly two say 0.0038. Then that 1959 government study mostly found it around 0.0039 I think, but also said their samples were only 99.9% pure.
A confusion could well come from not knowing whether these sources are quoting for. Are they "pure titanium", or something else. Is Grade 1 guaranteed to be 100% pure?
Incidentally this also goes some way to explaining the higher temp setting on the DNA - not all the way, but where before I said 270°F was right, it's more like 300°F based on a 0.0038 TCR. The rest of the difference could then explained either by pre-heat, or perhaps by the DNA40 using a curved Ni200 TCR (as Brandon alluded to in his brief response to my question re Ti offsets) - I didn't think the curve could be, well, curvy enough to explain much, but perahps that's wrong.
If that Joyetech shows live ohms that would be super useful, we could work out what TCR it's using.
I was getting a pretty weak vape at 0.0035 / 350. It's a little clouded because I'm using two new atties, a Rose v2 clone which has very tight airflow, and my new Elprinz which has more but I'm also not used to. At first I thought it was the builds, but then got quite a different experience putting it on my SXK.
I'm now running the Dicodes at 380 (0.0038) and it's definitely better. Still having to put the temperature higher than I expected - I'm on 235°C on the Elprinz right now - but it's definitely noticeably improved since I went up from 0.0035.
The literature is confusing on Titanium. Several sources say 0.0035, but then at least one, possibly two say 0.0038. Then that 1959 government study mostly found it around 0.0039 I think, but also said their samples were only 99.9% pure.
A confusion could well come from not knowing whether these sources are quoting for. Are they "pure titanium", or something else. Is Grade 1 guaranteed to be 100% pure?
Incidentally this also goes some way to explaining the higher temp setting on the DNA - not all the way, but where before I said 270°F was right, it's more like 300°F based on a 0.0038 TCR. The rest of the difference could then explained either by pre-heat, or perhaps by the DNA40 using a curved Ni200 TCR (as Brandon alluded to in his brief response to my question re Ti offsets) - I didn't think the curve could be, well, curvy enough to explain much, but perahps that's wrong.
If that Joyetech shows live ohms that would be super useful, we could work out what TCR it's using.
Evolv is coming out, soon, with a board that will handle Ti, Ni and others among many other improvements (200 watt capable being one).
NO, NO, NO
Commercially pure (Grade 1) IS NOT PURE....it's less pure than the 1959 stuff......
Remember this ...there's seldom anything pure about commercial!
Duane
The grade 1 I have states it is 99.7% pure, and I think I've seen other statements of 99.5%. I would think that even .05% off from being pure could skew the .0039 they got in the 1959 study into a .0038. Who knows how far that decimal might actually go, and where a single round up vs. down could make a world of difference.
Tom...you and Tony are plotting against me. I do NOT want to buy another mod and you guys are showing me neat stuff about the VT. It is not fair!
Duane
Truthful. There's an "interest thread" already. (not sure I can actually post that and if I'm wrong my apologies)
Commercially pure titanium is made by using electrical current to break down titanium tetrachloride in a high pressure
Iron pressure vessel. It has a lot of trace elements besides a bunch of iron in it. The nuclear stuff from the 50's is made by a much more chemically "pure" iodide process that is way too expensive for commercial purposes.
Duane
Iron pressure vessel. It has a lot of trace elements besides a bunch of iron in it. The nuclear stuff from the 50's is made by a much more chemically "pure" iodide process that is way too expensive for commercial purposes.
Duane
Cool....
now I pledge to all.
I am definitely interested BUT
I will NOT be an early adopter again.
Do you have a link to the thread?
Duane
As far as I know (and I don't know much) is that minimum requirements for grade 1 titanium is 99.5% purity.
The impurities include:
Max nitrogen 0.03%
Max oxygen 0.18%
Max iron 0.20%
Max carbon 0.08%
Max hydrogen 0.05%
Anything above is at least grade 2
Regards
Tony
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The impurities include:
Max nitrogen 0.03%
Max oxygen 0.18%
Max iron 0.20%
Max carbon 0.08%
Max hydrogen 0.05%
Anything above is at least grade 2
Regards
Tony
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