Titanium wire, vaping and safety

[Hitcat44]

Procure my Ti from Unkamen,,,,
Wind ALL my coils by Hand,,,,
Never Dry-Pulse,,,,
NEVER EVER Any Resultant Issues, Problems, or Complaints/Gripes in any Facet thereof. Quite the contrary in all actuality.

The ONLY Variable in the Equation that could logically be the Culprit in the situations that just can't ever seem to turn out satisfactorily to, or "good" for, the User,,, IS the User.
Given that, maybe it's time to stop blaming the inanimate Material and start working on the factual Issue & true Root Cause.

Just saying.... In order to effect a real Solution, One must first be honest with Oneself about the factual Problem(s)/Issue(s).

 

[Hitcat44]

is grade 2 titanium suitable for vaping?

Per the Ti Masters: No. Absolutely Not. Grade 1 only.

 

[TheBloke]

For those using contact coils, are you pulsing the wire first to blue/gold or just wrapping straight after cleaning?

If you are pulsing what temp and power are you using?

With the first wire I had, Zivipf, the consensus was that it needed pulsing/torching to hold its position as a contact coil because it was too springy. I am now not entirely sure why we thought that, because I have since gone back to that wire and coiled a contact coil around a Kuro Coiler with no pulsing. Wrapped around a 3.0mm ID coiler, it expanded to 3.3mm, which about the same "spring factor" as all other Titanium I've tested. Very usable.

Anyway, back then I thought I needed to pulse/torch and I didn't have a blow torch. So I used to cut 150mm of wire, bend it between two posts of a random RDA (not coiled, just bent), and then pulse it at 30W until it turned blue all over. This was sometimes achieved in a single 12 second pulse, sometimes took a couple.

I would then coil it to a contact coil as usual. It was then much less springy and so I could get a precise 3.0mm ID. So there was some advantage in that.

For more details and photos on that pulsing, here's two posts I made back in the day: One, Two.

But nowadays I don't bother pulsing. Since I got new, less springy wire, I just coil a contact coil with the Kuro and fit it. (Though as mentioned, going back to that first wire I find I can contact coil it without pulsing either, so still not sure why we thought we had to!) Here's an example from my SXK Squape Rs:



(It might not come out too clearly because it's been in use several days and is getting a bit gunky.)

Two final points:

1. Sometimes I have found contact Titanium coils don't properly work for TC at first. I always test them when first fitted (before wicking), and confirm the mod shows itself reaching temp / flashing a TP message /etc.
   1. Again back in the day, I sometimes found that the temp would 'stick' - eg the mod would say the temp was 30°C and would continue applying full watts to the coil.
      1. It would do this for a few seconds of one or two pulses, then TC would suddenly kick in
      2. I presumed this was until the coil oxidised, then it was OK.
      3. Hence I would be sure I was pulsing on a low wattage - 20 max - and would do very short pulses, in case it stuck, so I could stop firing before I torched the Titanium.
      4. I explained this further in the post linked Two above.
   2. However I've recently stopped bothering, since in recent times - with Crazy Wire and Stealth Vape wire - I've never had that issue again.
      1. So I really don't know why I used to get it, what the cause was. Maybe it was even that pre-pulsing that made it more likely to happen? As that's the key difference between then and now - I no longer pre-pulse.
2. Although contact is very possible with Titanium, I generally don't use them much any more
   1. I find it gets a lot gunkier when they're contact.
   2. I prefer making a contact coil and then slightly expanding it, and sliding a razor blade between each coil to separate them out
   3. I don't worry to make it perfectly spaced, but I try not to make it 100% contact.
   4. But I do use them occasionally, like when I put the first coils in the Squape Rs clones for example - I found they got pushed together as contact coils when I attached them, so I left them like that. I am starting to get quite a bit of crud on the top of one now, which I have to scrape off occasionally.

 

[Madnapali]

@TheBloke how does the wire stack up against the others you've used just based on your senses and intuition?

 

[Arch Gwen]

This method for contact Titanium coils works pretty good. Sorry it's in french.
@7:30

 

[TheBloke]

@TheBloke how does the wire stack up against the others you've used just based on your senses and intuition?

So far, indistinguishable. I've made one coil of 26G and it's vaping fine, just like the others.

It feels the same springiness (or lack of) and similarly soft. Thickness measured, to two decimal places, as 0.41mm; perfect for 26G (0.405mm according to the chart.)

Actually I was meaning to ask you - how do you find your wire in terms of dirtiness; if you take it fresh of the spool and rub it on a damp cloth/paper towel, do you see any mark? Because I tried that with a stretch of 26G and it was perfectly clean. I wanted to check with you as I thought there was a chance that some graphite/dirt might have come off when you de-spooled the wire and wrapped it on the cardboard.

If you find yours similarly clean then this is the second completely clean wire I've found, after the 3FVape Chinese wire. A nice plus.

 

[Zombo]

I have an IPV4-S, but I have been using it in Kanthal mode. I have never tried TC, but I ordered some Spider Silk.

I have no clue what I should aim for in my build. I'm used to vaping at around 1.0 ohm and 18-22 watts with kanthal so what is a good average build to shoot for? the Spider Silk is 26g, btw. I don't need to chuck big clouds, I vape for flavor. For those familiar with the IPV, what joules setting should I use, considering my 18-22W history with Kanthal?

 

[JimScotty0]

I have an IPV4-S, but I have been using it in Kanthal mode. I have never tried TC, but I ordered some Spider Silk.

I have no clue what I should aim for in my build. I'm used to vaping at around 1.0 ohm and 18-22 watts with kanthal so what is a good average build to shoot for? the Spider Silk is 26g, btw. I don't need to chuck big clouds, I vape for flavor. For those familiar with the IPV, what joules setting should I use, considering my 18-22W history with Kanthal?

Much depends on your atty, but a Ti 8 wraps spaced coil at 3mm would give you about .18 ohm build for a single coil. You could start out with 400F and around 26J and go from there.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

I'm a Tootle Puffer. I just got an IPV4s. I'm doing a Ti 30ga 4/3 wrap around 2.1mm plus reflex, .45ohms which is .15 above what the IPV4s says it wants, but it works good at 375F. REAL good. 20 Joules has a hard time hitting temp speed limit. 30J hits it almost right away. Either setting is fine, it's TC. I don't get the comments about TC being "finicky". Nothing finicky about it so far to me. Great vapor production perfect heat, and very consistent. Completely in the zone.

 

[hertigg]

Just got some Titanium wire in today from fast tech in 26 and 28 gauge, and it works great for me. I did a 28 gauge microcoil build, and a twisted 26 gauge microcoil. Performing fantastic. Price was around $5.00 shipped for 10 meters.

 

[2legsshrt]

Is there any harm in graphite. I wrapped a great coil and forgot to clean it first, it is the Crazy Wire and I know it has graphite on it. Is it ok to vape it or should I redo it.

 

[JimScotty0]

Is there any harm in graphite. I wrapped a great coil and forgot to clean it first, it is the Crazy Wire and I know it has graphite on it. Is it ok to vape it or should I redo it.

You could put it in an ultrasonic cleaner. That should get most of it off.

 

[disley]

I have 3 Lemo 2 tanks, and 2 original Lemo tanks using various dia Ti wire.
24g, 26g and 28g. I mostly use 24g, I find it easy to get the ohms in the .3 to .5ohms ,
Most of my coils have been between .3ohms and .5ohms.
They work in TC mode and power mode.
I use them on the VF DNA40, .34ohms, 360°F, 26watts.
The evic-VT works fine in Ti mode.
I also use Ti in non TC mods, with no problems at all.
I've never had a dry hit with Ti.

 

[2legsshrt]

You could put it in an ultrasonic cleaner. That should get most of it off.

Is it harmful I usually just wipe it off with alcohol comes right off but I forgot.

 

[JimScotty0]

Is it harmful I usually just wipe it off with alcohol comes right off but I forgot.

I couldn't really say for sure. Such a small amount probably wouldn't do any harm, but I would clean it myself. Why introduce anything into your lung that you don't have to. But look at how many years of poisons we did in the past.

 

[HolmanGT]

Is it harmful I usually just wipe it off with alcohol comes right off but I forgot.

Flush it with alcohol and a small brush after the fact. You can clean it as straight wire or with a tad more effort as a coil... what's the difference.

 

[eddiea]

Just got some Titanium wire in today from fast tech in 26 and 28 gauge, and it works great for me. I did a 28 gauge microcoil build, and a twisted 26 gauge microcoil. Performing fantastic. Price was around $5.00 shipped for 10 meters.

What brand, grade, and purity?

 

[disley]

I've been using Ti for a few months now and am happy with it.
Just recently I began using stainless steel, another good wire for building coils.
So far I find the Ti easier to work with.
I use mainly 24gauge Ti and SS, and sometimes 26g Ti.

 

[Madnapali]

So far, indistinguishable. I've made one coil of 26G and it's vaping fine, just like the others.

It feels the same springiness (or lack of) and similarly soft. Thickness measured, to two decimal places, as 0.41mm; perfect for 26G (0.405mm according to the chart.)

Actually I was meaning to ask you - how do you find your wire in terms of dirtiness; if you take it fresh of the spool and rub it on a damp cloth/paper towel, do you see any mark? Because I tried that with a stretch of 26G and it was perfectly clean. I wanted to check with you as I thought there was a chance that some graphite/dirt might have come off when you de-spooled the wire and wrapped it on the cardboard.

If you find yours similarly clean then this is the second completely clean wire I've found, after the 3FVape Chinese wire. A nice plus.

Nope, been pretty clean so far. I think it was the 30g had some residue wipe off when I used it, but the 26g has been totally clean every coil.

 

[hertigg]

What brand, grade, and purity?

SKU numbers 2839500 and 2840500