If I cant get the gunk off with water and a toothbrush I just slap a new coil in!
Titanium wire, vaping and safety
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If I cant get the gunk off with water and a toothbrush I just slap a new coil in!
Well you know that once you post a resolution to a situation on ECF that some Butter Head will come along and stir up your whole world.
You are a very nice butterhead!! lol!
I agree. I hope we can see some science around this subject in the future, though. I saw some metallurgist professor from South America say he was going to do a study on this subject at some point.
The problem is that an actual clinical study would be clearly unethical so what we're left with are basically isolated anecdotes. Studies of workers in TiO2 plants were done in both US and Europe which both concluded no correlation to any disease from breathing the stuff all day long. Despite this, World Health says it's a known carcinogen. Go figure. There must be some politics to it that I'm not aware of.
It's the "CYA" mindset in full glory. There's no real cost to the agency labeling something a carcinogen if it isn't, but there's a huge fallout if they do it the other way around.
And of course, they don't count the economic costs of labeling something hazardous.
Agreed! What I dont get is that paint is not regulated in some way. It is so easy to generate TiO2 particles. Its done thousands of times every day by DIY enthusisats and professional painter/decorators worldwide yet there is no hazard warning on the cans of paint that I know of, at least not pertaining to TiO2 issues...I have long since stopped worrying about it. I just make sure there isnt any exceessive oxidation on the wire and vape on!!
I didn't take it as he was going to do a clinical study (he's not an M.D.), but I understood it as more of a lab study (i.e. heat the wire and examine it with electron microscopes, etc.).
The major issue for me is whether nano-particles are generated at all ro in any significant quantity from vaping Ti. I suspect they may in some cases occur with over heating/dry burning, hotspots etc but whether the amounts are sufficient for any kind of concern seems pretty unlikely....
edit: i think the FDA classs it as 'possible carcinogen'..which effectively means absolutely nothing!
Kinda doesn't answer the question and is likely going to produce a dangerous conclusion.
Yes, grossly overheating Ti will produce flakes of TiO2. Yes, these flakes will eventually make it into the vape. Is that bad -- we don't know, doesn't actually appear to be bad, no actual evidence that it's bad, but the press and regulators will pick it up and run with it. I hope the study isn't expensive.
I choose to err on the side of caution. Since I don't have a need to heat the wire unjuiced and using TC modes you are more certain that it is safe, or for sure safer.
Decided to get the hell over it, and broke out the titanium I had left untouched since it arrived. Did some claptons with it, 28ga Unkamen Ti core with 34ga Kanthal wrap. Did a dual coil in a Tugboat V2, 6 spaced wraps around a 3mm bit (next time, I'll go for 2.5mm, the spring effect is pretty big at that point). Came out to .282, and will barely touch temp of 460F on an SX Mini M in Ti mode @ 50J until it's dry. Impressed, and will continue to use.
Lightning Vapes now has surgical grade Ti wire in 26g, 24g and 22g. I'm tempted to buy some and test it but I currently have plenty to last a while.
http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/titanium-wire-surgical-grade-1?variant=6684095109
http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/titanium-wire-surgical-grade-1?variant=6684095109
Interesting, they list it as 99.5% pure, Unkaman does not publish the percentage to my knowledge. I bought some "tempered" nickel wire from LV, but have yet to bother with it as I am more interested in Ti wire. I wonder if the LV wire is annealed or not, how hard/soft and springy?
I wish Temco would get in the Ti game!
Hello
I bought an istick 40w, and i put there a Titanium coil, wich 0,56Ohm. I tryied a dry cotton test, and the dry cotton start browning at 180.
After that im using it with 160C. It looks good. Can i get any problem with that?
Basicly the Istick 40W dont handle the Titanium but for me it looks like its working.
I bought an istick 40w, and i put there a Titanium coil, wich 0,56Ohm. I tryied a dry cotton test, and the dry cotton start browning at 180.
After that im using it with 160C. It looks good. Can i get any problem with that?
Basicly the Istick 40W dont handle the Titanium but for me it looks like its working.
Sounds like you have Ti working good in Ni mode with your mod. Vape on.
looks pretty good to me! 160C seems a pretty reasonable temp so no worries!! Enjoy!
So, it looks like FT has a bunch of different Ti wires to choose from. Anyone have any input on any of these?
I just ordered a couple spools of each size of the stuff with "Grade 1" in the description. It's not as cheap as the spools with no grade described but its still cheaper than most other sources for Grade 1 (around five bucks for 10 meters).
I have a couple spools from Unkamen that are almost empty and I can recommend that wire -- just a little more expensive.
If you want to wait, I can let you know if the Fastech stuff is any good when it arrives.
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