Well, as Baditude said, I was also involved in the layout for safe sub ohm vaping, and have yet to see anything come of it either. I'm not sure how many of us were all involved, but I'm sure a lot of time went into it altogether. I was happy to see a stance taken then, so I know it's something that is a concern to them. I was honestly hoping one or more would have jumped in on my last thread on this topic in the vets area just to throw some insight in. So, well, I have no idea!
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Well, as Baditude said, I was also involved in the layout for safe sub ohm vaping, and have yet to see anything come of it either. I'm not sure how many of us were all involved, but I'm sure a lot of time went into it altogether. I was happy to see a stance taken then, so I know it's something that is a concern to them. I was honestly hoping one or more would have jumped in on my last thread on this topic in the vets area just to throw some insight in. So, well, I have no idea!
I agree that there are idiots out there that do dumb stuff, however there are over a hundred posts here discussing the proper use of a modified flashlight, which is really what a mech mod is, to vaporize nicotine laced "liquid" so we can inhale it. Can anyone, even the "experts" here, say they are doing it right? This is like complaining about people on a car forum that are discussing speeding on the highway, people do it you can't stop them. If you don't like what they are saying tell them that, it's a forum after all. People looking into how to build a sub ohm coil will not read this thread because they are busy reading cloud chasing ones.
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From your post, it seems like you are saying "Since we don't even know for certain that vaping is 100% safe, why should we be concerned with exploding batteries? furthermore, who will listen?"
I hope I mis-inferred what you were trying to say, and if so please correct me.
The point of this thread isn't to disagree with the sub ohm culture, it's to discuss ways of making safety information more accessible. This is something that needs to be discussed, and I'd welcome any helpful input you may have.
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I haven't read this entire thread. But I just want to not smoke analogs. I for the life of me don't understand why people have the desire to blow those big clouds. It doesn't help me not smoke anymore than an Ego will. I am not vaping because it is cool (it doesn't hurt that it is kinda cool) I am vaping because I have an addiction and I hate cigarettes.
I guess my point is that by it's very nature sub ohm vaping is NOT safe, you can't make safety information available for something that isn't safe or are you saying it is safe because in that case there is no need for discussion.
I'm all for safe vaping and try to educate myself as much as possible but if someone wants to risk a battery blowing up in their face it's on them. I'm sure almost a hundred percent of us spent years killing ourselves with cigarettes and could care less what anyone thought and now here we are discussing/condemning people's choices to endanger themselves.
Like the government always says, if you see something, say something. Preaching to the choir never solves anything. You don't like sub ohm threads say something to the poster don't complain to everyone else about how you want to censor people or only allow "experts" to discuss the ins and outs of a blatantly dangerous activity.
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Firstly, no one is being condemned here. And if they have been it certainly isn't the focus of the thread. I'm sure that some people don't like sub ohm threads, but again, not the focus of this thread.
The focus of this thread also isn't to preach, but to search for constructive input and ideas on how to make battery safety information more widely know by those it concerns. Furthermore, no one is being censored.
I'm curious about your first statement of this post. Why is it that you think the nature of sub ohm vaping isn't safe? The truth is, it can be quite safe with a little research and making sure to use hardware designed for the amp draw that sub ohm imposes.
I think a lot of people will see an ohm load far less than what they use and just assume "that can't be safe," without really having any idea why they think that or even what an ohm is. After gaining information on the subject, you'll see that in itself sub ohming isn't dangerous if done correctly. Unnecessary? maybe, but who cares as long as it's done responsibly?
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You're over simplifying the current draw and the condition of the battery. There's a more complete description here, Battery ratings : Batteries And Power Systems
A couple of important quotes from there, (the full article is worth a read..
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A lot of you seem to be dwelling on the fact that you think sub-ohming is stupid, shouldn't be done, etc. and not on the important message that...IF YOU WANT TO SUB-OHM. DO IT SAFELY.
How cheesed would you be if there were as many threads all over the place named "MVP/PT3 combo sucks RBA's are the way to go" that there were "Why would anyone sub-ohm?". Many of you "vets" are giving sub-ohming a bad name just as much as the ignorant newbie vapers.
Like myself, majority of vapers using mech mods and RBA's use it because that sub-ohm coil hand built coil gives them a more flavourful, warmer, denser vape. Not to "chase clouds".
Why don't we just make a stickied "BASH SUB OHM HERE" thread and delete all the others?
How cheesed would you be if there were as many threads all over the place named "MVP/PT3 combo sucks RBA's are the way to go" that there were "Why would anyone sub-ohm?". Many of you "vets" are giving sub-ohming a bad name just as much as the ignorant newbie vapers.
Like myself, majority of vapers using mech mods and RBA's use it because that sub-ohm coil hand built coil gives them a more flavourful, warmer, denser vape. Not to "chase clouds".
Why don't we just make a stickied "BASH SUB OHM HERE" thread and delete all the others?
I vape a 1.2 ohm micro coil with cotton wick on a Mech REO Grand. I get some pretty monster clouds. Note I am not a sub ohmer. I find that I need a certain warmth and amount of vapor to get the sensation that I have "smoked". This is what did it for me so for me no need to go farther into sub ohm territory.
Other people might need to go lower than I do and still others might be happy higher than I am. That is fine provided you know what you are doing.
Some people and it seems to be the ones that want to turn vaping into and extreme sport by super sub ohm stuff don't bother to learn what they need to know to do it as safely as possible. I suspect for them it is sort of a showoff/I am going to win the pissing contest sort of thing and not a I need this vape.
Ok let's just take a look at the OPs title, seems to refer to the fact that there are just too many new posters asking about sub ohm builds. Then there are a whole slew of responses discussing how YouTube should somehow place warnings on videos, as if that's their problem, now you are telling me that sub ohm vaping can be safe with some research. Seems to me that some "new" poster may be looking for those very answers to their research.
I just love the elitist attitudes on forums. Just because someone signed up for this forum this month it somehow makes them less knowledgable than some 3 year forum master. I don't want to turn this into some rant but like I said if you don't think someone is "qualified" to discuss something, post on the thread maybe you can teach them something and assist them with their research.
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Have you read the entire thread? or at least all of my posts? give that a try.
Things like this always happen with hobbies. You have your actual users and your people who just want to jump in, not knowing what they are doing and getting these cases of explosions. I've had random people ask if my battery had exploded on me before when all I'm running is a SiD mod with a nova tank. It's sad to know that vaping has this kind of publicity right now.
I have and I am not saying anything you in particular said was incorrect in any way I am saying that people come here to discuss and learn more about vaping. There is no need to limit people from asking questions or discussing any issue that they may have a question about. Obviously the people that have posted in this thread are passionate about safety, I am just suggesting that instead of discussing how to discuss safety issues with new people Go discuss safety issues with new people. Obviously the people posting on this thread know more about vaping than some guy that just signed up for this forum this month.
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To a point, I very much agree with you. Many of those that have posted are quick to give a heads up to a new comer looking to sub. I know I certainly do. I didn't start this thread to limit information, indeed the opposite. If anything I've said has given that vibe please let me know.
I started this thread because lately I've been reading a shload of threads that begin with "So I've been trying to dual coil my new mech so I can get bigger clouds. Does anyone know a way to get more vapor? I tried just using less wraps to make my coil with. Wouldn't that mean less resistance? and if so, that's a good thing right?"
That's the reason I started this thread. It's great that these guys are coming here with questions. Not so great that they are coming here after doing this on their own for who knows how long. The purpose was to brainstorm ways for these guys to get the info, or at least know that they need the info, before trying to make an exploding ecig in their room. Some youtube hosts will give a quick safety disclaimer, but I've seen more that don't than those who do. I didn't start the thread because I knew the answer. Just looking to hear from any one else that has noticed this, to see if they had any proposed routes to take.
And in saying that it shows you haven't read the whole thread and all the posts! I've specifically stated that all I can do is ASSUME the knowledge from post count and time on the forum to the amount of knowledge they have until proven wrong!
Myself and other have spent numerous hours in the new members section educating people in this, but as I keep saying, it's hard to catch them all! Perhaps you would like to spend a couple of weeks devoted to that a month?
I'm not trying to stop it, ECF proper is not trying to stop it and I have no problem educating and sharing knowledge to make it safe, I would just like to keep it out of the new members area and put it in a section of it's own so we have people that do know how to do it safely can advise people how to correctly, and safely, do it.
As for the "vets" seeming to be elitist, again, I ask you to spend some time in the new members area and see what is actually happening there daily! The posts here about pulling batteries out of a laptop with no markings and wondering why they get hot with a .5 ohm load are no joke! Having a member with two posts get sub ohm questions answered buy someone with one post, or even several people with one post, are no joke! Spend some time trying to convince the new member why the five other members are wrong and you are right some time, it gets tiring!
I try not to judge other people and tell them what they should not be doing. There are a whole bunch of people who want us to stop vaping. I don't think that's cool and that's one reason I will not do the same to others.
just saw another post in the new members forum. this was about getting into wrapping coils. not sub-ohm. not cloud-chasing.
the question was one that IMHO the answer should be known before getting into building coils.
perhaps a good way to address this would be to collect all these questions (redact usernames if nec) , provide answers, then create a sticky.
lumping all of the "irksome" questions into a single post/thread might have the benefit of pointing out the nature of the problem and do more good than, for example, what the mods asked Baditude to contribute to. by that, i mean that the form of presentation may ring home clearer to the average newcomer than the typical "sticky" which often get glossed over. (it would, of course need to be heavily moderated so it doesn't "drift") and the answers should be written with a sense of non-deprecating humor, so it doesn't come across as didactic.
based on what i've seen in the last week or two, it shouldn't take long to acquire a couple hundred "problem" questions
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the question was one that IMHO the answer should be known before getting into building coils.
perhaps a good way to address this would be to collect all these questions (redact usernames if nec) , provide answers, then create a sticky.
lumping all of the "irksome" questions into a single post/thread might have the benefit of pointing out the nature of the problem and do more good than, for example, what the mods asked Baditude to contribute to. by that, i mean that the form of presentation may ring home clearer to the average newcomer than the typical "sticky" which often get glossed over. (it would, of course need to be heavily moderated so it doesn't "drift") and the answers should be written with a sense of non-deprecating humor, so it doesn't come across as didactic.
based on what i've seen in the last week or two, it shouldn't take long to acquire a couple hundred "problem" questions
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