vaping in public keep it low to keep our rights

[ScottP]

So if you want it to stay legal, you better stop acting like it's not.

^^^ This, so much this.

I mean as far as vaping indoors...if a building is smoke free and you openly vape there, that to me would be down right disrespectful.
But in that same statement you see I admit I do vape indoors, which I never did as a smoker. In fact as stated my boss encourages me to vape indoors just out of sight of customers.

outdoors to hell with that I vape where I want. I out of respect try not to vape too closely to doorways....because even though no it's not secondhand smoke it's still a vape cloud that I wouldn't want to walk through someone else's vape cloud to enter or exit a building....

Took my kids to the zoo and I vaped while walking around the zoo, because it isn't smoking and let them tell me otherwise, but while inside any buildings of the zoo I did not vape.

My point is just that while no it's not smoking and thus far no it's not harmful to bystanders (again if you read my second statement my 4 yr old plays in my vape clouds) it is still a respect issue.

And I have actually been to interviews and buildings that have warnings posted about not wearing perfumes and deodorants due to people with bad asthma.

I agree that vaping should be allowed everywhere, but we are not at that stage yet and until the mainstream sees that vaping is not the same as smoking....outright vaping in the middle of a grocery store, movie theater or likewise will only merit to the misinformed media and put a bad name on vaping.

I am all for vapors vaping where they please but taking other peoples "feelings" into consideration. And as this is still a new concept to most, lets not staunch the movement by being forgive me for the lack of better wording but jack-asses in your face, screw you attitude. Because people are still misinformed and inclined to take a bad note on vaping and thus make a bad choice if and when the FDA decides to actually start putting regulations on it.

While I do abide by store policies, and I am not going to blow a cloud in someone's face, I think hiding and slinking around is not the answer.

Did civil rights advocates worry about people's feelings or were they very public and in your face? Did women's rights advocates? Did the LGBT community care if you were offended? If you want to change public opinion you HAVE to VERY public in your face, we are here and this is what we are about.

I still say those that get offended by someone vaping, DESERVE to be offended for being so weak minded that they let me control their emotions so easily.

 

[Cactus Breath]

the laws are coming whether you stealth vape or not... the FDA has been more than aware of vaping for years...

Now the goal should be to make the public aware it's not harmful... so we have public opinion on our side...

So if you want it to stay legal, you better stop acting like it's not.

Re: the bolded part above - I agree 100%. But being deliberately antagonistic/confrontational/militant about vaping does not sway public opinion in the right direction. Blowing clouds in non-smoking areas [ETA: and where you haven't obtained permission/OK to vape from the business/venue] and then screaming "I'M NOT SMOKING!" when somebody says something about it is not the way to win friends and influence people. Well, it will influence people...but not in the direction we need. There are ways to educate, and there are ways to alienate.

 

[ClippinWings]

Re: the bolded part above - I agree 100%. But being deliberately antagonistic/confrontational/militant about vaping does not sway public opinion in the right direction. Blowing clouds in non-smoking areas [ETA: and where you haven't obtained permission/OK to vape from the business/venue] and then screaming "I'M NOT SMOKING!" when somebody says something about it is not the way to win friends and influence people. Well, it will influence people...but not in the direction we need. There are ways to educate, and there are ways to alienate.

So what your saying is you didn't read anything else in my post?

 

[Cactus Breath]

So what your saying is you didn't read anything else in my post?

Nope. Read it all and agree with it all. With that said, talking on my cell phone while in a movie theater is perfectly legal as well...but I consider people who do it to be rude, inconsiderate, self-centered pigs. If cell phones were facing the same kind of scrutiny/pending legislation that vaping is, I'd be of the opinion that talking on them in inopportune places would be negatively swaying public opinion. I don't act like vaping is illegal at all - I don't hide it, I'm not furtive about it and I take every opportunity to educate people about it - but I also exercise judgment as to where I do it and show some common courtesy to those around me - same as I do while talking on a cell phone.

 

[Zealous]

I think where vaping in public is concerned common sense is in order. For me the places I should & should not vape are obvious (not saying everyone agrees). So I don't vape in Walmart, but when I smoked I never wanted a smoke while at the walmart so it doesn't feel like I'm changing anything. I don't vape inside a small coffee shop because I don't want to fill the air everyone is sharing with my vapor and I'm actually pretty sucky at stealth vaping (but I try). I go outside & vape instead & it's no big deal. But when I'm in the bookstore attached to the coffee shop I will vape while perusing the book isles. I do vape at the movies but that's more of an indulgence & I don't do it in a really full theatre as I think it would be rude for me to do so.

Basically, I just don't vape in places where I share air with a bunch of other people. To me it just seems like common sense not to & rude if I do. But as I said, my common sense might not be that common. I don't appreciate people having phone conversations when standing in line with me in grocery stores And I especially hate it at the movies (in fact when they have their phone ON & they're playing on it with the sound off that also irritates me because I don't want to see their stupid phone/tablet screen out of the corner of my eye when I'm trying to watch a movie I paid $10 to see).

I guess my "common sense" is the idea that vapers, just like all other people, should behave the way they would like other people to behave with them.

 

[Robino1]

Nope. Read it all and agree with it all. With that said, talking on my cell phone while in a movie theater is perfectly legal as well...but I consider people who do it to be rude, inconsiderate, self-centered pigs. If cell phones were facing the same kind of scrutiny/pending legislation that vaping is, I'd be of the opinion that talking on them in inopportune places would be negatively swaying public opinion. I don't act like vaping is illegal at all - I don't hide it, I'm not furtive about it and I take every opportunity to educate people about it - but I also exercise judgment as to where I do it and show some common courtesy to those around me - same as I do while talking on a cell phone.

All the movies that I have been to lately have an announcement, at the beginning, that tells the audience to please turn off your cell phone.

As for the rest of the comments here, I have not seen anyone say that they vape and if confronted scream "I'M NOT SMOKING" in someones face. I have seen where most vape with common sense. To the OP and others that are afraid that if we vape out and proud, the big bad government is going to come for us...... News flash, they have been coming for us since 2009. It is ramping up and possible that there will be regulations within the next couple of years. What those regulations will be.....we don't know yet.

Believe this, if you act like you are doing something wrong, you WILL be percieved as doing something wrong. You may think that you are being very stealth, but actually you really look like you are trying to hide something. Most people will think that you are doing something illegal.

Respect, common sense and knowledge will go a long way in educating the general public. If people do not see these PV's, how are they to learn about them? More and more people are recognizing that these are e-cigs. I get that question all the time and mine sure doesn't look like a cig. It is a big ole thing Definitely not a cig-a-like nor an eGo. The biggest question I get is "Does that really work?" and "What exactly is in there?". I use a clearo and they see the liquid. I'm still happy to educate, even after 11 months.

Ask before you vape in a place of business, educate wherever you can educate. Just use common sense when you decide to stealth. Maybe look at yourself in the mirror and practice. It is really hard to not look like you are doing something wrong.

 

[Rickajho]

Boston Vape Party = Gov't stepping up and saying: No vaping in public, no internet sales, no (insert worst case scenario here).

We should be staying under the radar as much as possible if we want to continue enjoying it.

You have got to be kidding. If NRML can have events on the Boston Common - with a legal permit to do so - where on earth do you see the problem? Are you really that paranoid? You are way off base - both for someone who doesn't live in Boston and for someone who lives in Texas.

 

[Rickajho]

yes boss I know how you feel ...but we are a minority so we don't have political power.. and we are doing something that the average joe see as deadly like cigs even if it is not... looks is what counts..remember how trevon martin looked and see what happened to him ..don't forget what country you live in and what politicians will do to get elected

You crossed the line trying to make a "vaping is the same thing as Trevon Martin" analogy. And lost all credibility in the process.

Perception is a horribly flawed thing. And you're sucking up to it like it's to be idolized and the only "truth" that matters. I have several perceptions I would like to share right now about this thread, but the TOS says that's probably not a good idea.

 

[dr g]

I think we need some slogans. "Vape responsibly" or better yet "Represent vaping".

This is not a question of legality, as it's perfectly legal for private property owners to ban vaping in their buildings if they like.

 

[Dreaswi]

Vaping is not a right we have. There is nothing in the Constitution saying we have the right to vape anywhere.

It only takes one person to start a revolution.

 

[spartanstew]

its harmless to bystanders so this is more or less like telling people not to wear perfume, not to bbq, not to whatever

It's not about telling people what to do, it's about common courtesy.

You don't think it's common courtesy to not wear a ton of perfume??

 

[spartanstew]

.also we should change our vaping hardwares name from e cig to vape machine or something with the cig out of the name... we must not associaite our product with anything related to cigs.. "cig" is a bad word...... vapers

I, 100% agree with this. I've never used the term e-cig and don't think I ever will.

I really wish the owners would change the name of this place to personal-vapor-forum.com

 

[Fergie]

Time for a Taco.

 

[SissySpike]

Im dont hide well. I try to be a decent considerate person in public but I refuse to hide and sneak around. We need to stop the people who are trying to grind us down not worry about what they think of our name. Our name is not the problem The regulatory boards and back stabbing company's trying to regulate us in to buying there product are the problem. ANTZ is a major thorn! Lets focus on stopping them and we dont have to worry about vaping being taken away.

 

[JulesXsmokr]

Vaping is not a right we have. There is nothing in the Constitution saying we have the right to vape anywhere.

It only takes one person to start a revolution.

you're just kidding, right?

 

[SAG]

Crap, here we are AGAIN! I sold the bullybat to Eric, or was it Buzzzz - Hmmmm?

Paging bullybat buyer.....

Fergie, tacos sound good!

 

[stevegmu]

I'm pretty sure the people who felt it was ok to smoke everywhere and anywhere are why smoking became prohibited almost everywhere in public establishments.

 

[ScottP]

I'm pretty sure the people who felt it was ok to smoke everywhere and anywhere are why smoking became prohibited almost everywhere in public establishments.

Smoking became prohibited the same way >20oz sodas did in NY and toys in Happy Meals did in Cali. Some "south end of a north bound mule" of a politician decided to make it a cause of theirs. The only difference was once the cigarette bandwagon took off lots of politicians jumped on board.

 

[DC2]

For those that think we should vape where we smoking is not allowed...

What if you are not allowed to smoke at the beach?
What if you are not allowed to smoke in a public park?
What if you are not allowed to smoke anywhere inside a baseball stadium?
What if you are not allowed to smoke anywhere on a college campus?

 

[Myk]

For those that think we should vape where we smoking is not allowed...

What if you are not allowed to smoke at the beach?
What if you are not allowed to smoke in a public park?
What if you are not allowed to smoke anywhere inside a baseball stadium?
What if you are not allowed to smoke anywhere on a college campus?

What if they say you can't vape anywhere inside a certain county?

Some laws were made to be broken.