I have the right to clean air.

[Liskrig]

I consider myself very considerate to other people when in public... If I'm in traffic I keep my window up so it doesn't drift into someone else. I never vape inside a store (not even in vape shops for some reason). I always ask my friends if I can vape in their car (even though I have done it several times before), I stand far away from the "Smoking Area" at work if I'm sub ohm-ing as to not force my vaping onto anyone else.

Here is the T-Shirt quote though... I don't expect ANYONE else to do this.

I feel that someone should be able to blow clouds while sitting on a park bench, but I also feel that they need to assume the situation of someone coming up to them and requesting they stop. Most people won't say anything in person, but that doesn't mean they like your melon vape. The negative perception of vaping in public would change a lot if we just had respect for strangers.

 

[skoony]

The negative perception of vaping in public would change a lot if we just had respect for strangers.

I agree with you 100%. The negative perception would change even quicker if everyone
stopped assuming how we vape makes a difference. I believe the general public would
be very accepting of all forms of vaping if exposed to it. For whatever reason there seems
to be a lot of forces in action to prevent this from happening. Its almost as if some are
frightened that we all might just get along.

Regards
Mike

 

[sparkky1]

There are nothing about water in the paper. Usual green wailing . They do not talk about cleanness of water because all tests show it is good?

Really ? At times, TVA has on an annual basis discharged over 7,000 toxic weighted pounds of arsenic, over 8,000 toxic weighted pounds of aluminum, 3,400 toxic weighted pounds of selenium and other metals through the permitted discharge point.
While that might sound good for your standards of consumption, I think it's repulsive !

 

[sparkky1]

I thought this thread was going to be about living in Los Angeles California.

Dang

That puffy orange layer of smog over the city shared by millions is bad ?

 

[Bad Ninja]

Why should they? Tap water in America is very clean.

Oh god no.


Tap water where I live has 1250ppms of total dissolved solids.
That's three times the safe drinking limit.
That's city tapwater, not a well.
I use a $400 commercial RO filtration system.
40 miles away in Palm Springs ( where the wealthy live and play) the tap water tests at a lovely 125ppms (lower than Dasani bottled water).
Way to go California!!!
Water is a traded commodity, not a public controlled utility.
Never assume it's safe. You will eventually be horribly wrong.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Really ? At times, TVA has on an annual basis discharged over 7,000 toxic weighted pounds of arsenic, over 8,000 toxic weighted pounds of aluminum, 3,400 toxic weighted pounds of selenium and other metals through the permitted discharge point.
While that might sound good for your standards of consumption, I think it's repulsive !

Where are test results of water? Your opinion based on a hearsay?

 

[Alien Traveler]

Oh god no.


Tap water where I live has 1250ppms of total dissolved solids.
That's three times the safe drinking limit.
That's city tapwater, not a well.
I use a $400 commercial RO filtration system.
40 miles away in Palm Springs ( where the wealthy live and play) the tap water tests at a lovely 125ppms (lower than Dasani bottled water).
Way to go California!!!
Water is a traded commodity, not a public controlled utility.
Never assume it's safe. You will eventually be horribly wrong.

You live rather in special (speaking of tap water) place. Not typical at all. I do not use or have used any filtration systems, I have lived in 3 states. I have stopped overnight in hotels/motels of 46 states. Tap water everywhere was good.

 

[Bad Ninja]

You live rather in special (speaking of tap water) place. Not typical at all. I do not use or have used any filtration systems, I have lived in 3 states. I have stopped overnight in hotels/motels of 46 states. Tap water everywhere was good.

Be honest.
How many times have you actually used a tds meter and tested it?
I have a famy member that tests water for a living.
Tds meters are $14 on ebay.
You will be surprised.

I'm not just talking out my ear.

 

[Mapultz]

Call me ignorant, but how does orally ingesting medication lead to drug particles in the air? Topical meds I can see. But orally?

 

[skoony]

Call me ignorant, but how does orally ingesting medication lead to drug particles in the air? Topical meds I can see. But orally?

natural human metabolism. Perspiration or exhalation. Trace amounts will still remain
even after the body breaks down it down. Then there's all the byproducts af natural
metabolism, formaldehyde I believe is one of them.
Regards
Mike

 

[Mapultz]

natural human metabolism. Perspiration or exhalation. Trace amounts will still remain
even after the body breaks down it down. Then there's all the byproducts af natural
metabolism, formaldehyde I believe is one of them.
Regards
Mike

Is there some sort of scientific data to back this up? Googling isn't showing up with anything other than references to drugs in drinking water.

 

[sparkky1]

Where are test results of water? Your opinion based on a hearsay?

"The levels of Chromium in both private water wells were below EPA Safe Drinking Water standards. EPA and Tennessee have established an enforceable drinking water standard (Maximum Contaminant Limit - MCL) of 100 parts per billion total chromium in drinking water," said Kelly Brockman, TDEC spokesperson. "The results of the samples from two private water wells near the TVA Gallatin Plant were 0.20 parts per billion and 0.053 parts per billion."
The department did concede, however, that finding the contaminants in drinking wells is unusual.
To help you comprehend this : maximum contaminant level goals (MCLG) The MCLG for total chromium is 0.1 mg/L or 100 parts per billion
As I stated before these findings might not concern you and your standards for consumption, other than starting another moronic debate ...........

 

[Alien Traveler]

"The levels of Chromium in both private water wells were below EPA Safe Drinking Water standards. EPA and Tennessee have established an enforceable drinking water standard (Maximum Contaminant Limit - MCL) of 100 parts per billion total chromium in drinking water," said Kelly Brockman, TDEC spokesperson. "The results of the samples from two private water wells near the TVA Gallatin Plant were 0.20 parts per billion and 0.053 parts per billion."
The department did concede, however, that finding the contaminants in drinking wells is unusual.
To help you comprehend this : maximum contaminant level goals (MCLG) The MCLG for total chromium is 0.1 mg/L or 100 parts per billion
As I stated before these findings might not concern you and your standards for consumption, other than starting another moronic debate ...........

Water from private wells is not tap water. So?..

 

[Alien Traveler]

Be honest.
How many times have you actually used a tds meter and tested it?
I have a famy member that tests water for a living.
Tds meters are $14 on ebay.
You will be surprised.

I'm not just talking out my ear.

O, my... TDS meter!
I am sane enough not to bother with one. I do use soap and it is a good testing "chemical" for water hardness. Also I have taste buds.
However, you got me interested, and I have googled a bit.
There is no (I repeat: no) hard evidence on health effects of TDS in water. Some evidence do exists that too soft water is not good for health: water is important source of calcium and mangnesium, the main components of TDS. Removing them from water make not really good service for health. Indeed, soap will work better.

 

[sparkky1]

Water from private wells is not tap water. So?..

Then what do you think the levels are in the river right next to the plant from which we source for 5 county's drinking water ?

 

[skoony]

Is there some sort of scientific data to back this up? Googling isn't showing up with anything other than references to drugs in drinking water.

I am sure there is. If it is getting into the water by natural means its getting out by
other means. Your skin is a not only absorbs it also excretes. The same with your lungs.
We're talking trace amounts here.
Regards
Mike

 

[Alien Traveler]

Then what do you think the levels are in the river right next to the plant from which we source for 5 county's drinking water ?

Why river? I was talking about tap water and only about tap water.

 

[sparkky1]

Why river? I was talking about tap water and only about tap water.

That's were we source all our tap water from !

 

[jlb]

I vape, and I have always went by the "if you can't smoke here, I won't vape here". Even outside in the public eye, I normally use a lower wattage device and do not blow massive clouds even though I am outside and away from people. I do this mainly for the person that may be a smoker and on the fence about vaping. Seeing billows of clouds may turn people the other way,because they wouldn't want to draw that much attention to themselves. At home however, I vape how I want. I also take prescription meds, which I honestly do not think are having any affect on people around me. I drink filtered water, but how much that helps, I don't really know.And in this day and age, if you are breathing (indoors or out) you are taking a chance. Live and let live,as long as we are not directly affecting those around us.

 

[tj99959]

Come to Utah in the winter during an inversion. They insist on still driving their cars while they complain about vaping!