vaping in public keep it low to keep our rights
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I know this is weird but I actually like that smell. Brings back good memories of childhood.
You don't stand up and fight by blatantly disregarding the current policies (if that's what you're suggesting).
If I was at one of those establishments you listed, I wouldn't vape while there. I would, however, write a letter (or similar) to the powers that be and try to get the rules changed.
As I've said in other threads though, I do understand why these policies are in place. Take your stadium example. If they allowed vaping anywhere in the stadium, but not smoking, what do you think would happen? There'd be a ton of people stealth smoking. Because the stadium doesn't have the manpower to go investigate every plume of smoke that they see in the stands or respond to every customer complaint about someone doing "something". It would be an enforcement nightmare.
Yes, vaping doesn't have the effects that smoking does (to the person doing it and bystanders), but it's not that simple. It still creates a cloud of vapor/smoke. That's our cross to bear as vapors. When most places place a ban on vaping, I doubt that it rarely has anything to do with the effects of vaping, it's a business decision based on perceptions and enforcement.
Everyone thinks we just need to educate people on the fact that vaping is harmless to others. perhaps they already know this. They just don't want people exhaling cloudes of vapor/smoke in their stadium or place of business or standing out in front of their doors. And I can understand why they wouldn't.
It's not that much different than places that ban alcohol (like colleges facilities, beaches, and parks) or firearms. They understand that it's legal for an adult to drink alcohol (and perhaps carry a gun), but they don't want to have to police everyone to see if they're drunk or not (or of age or with the right permits). Much more cost effective just to ban it altogether, and businesses are all about cost effectiveness.
I have to agree with your analogy here, how could any institute possibly police a mass audience between smoking and Vapeing it would be a logistical nightmare.
its not so much about civil rights as much as being taxed like the tobacco co or booze if we get in the govs face with it..let people think this is a way of quitting smoking...like a patch ........it is all about the end result
what i meant about using travon martin as a comparison is that people see things the wrong way and e cigs to most people look like you are smoking and zimmerman thought martin was up to no good period..
I think there would be a drastic increase in vaping.
there is no such thing as stealth smoking... the second it is lit everyone within 20 feet knows it by the smell.
you should really quote what you are responding to... otherwise it doesn't make any sense...
your quoted post above might as well have read:
"Pink fluffy kittens"
It's just good internet etiquette
I vaped freely in Honda center for months... never saw a single person smoke... saw several vape.
The eventually banned vaping, based on your premise... which is obviously faulty.
I am pretty damn sure no one would think i was smoking if I was vaping near them...
MY mod looks nothing like a cigarette and definitely doesn't smell like one. The act doesn't even look that similar. due in part to how you hold a mod.
Agree to disagree, faulty yes but not incorrect. It's just the lame easy way to go, by banning.
The vapor dissipates, the smoke doesn't.
The vapor smells nice, or not at all, the smoke doesn't. (Well sometimes it does, depends on the brand or memory triggers)
The vapor doesn't constantly produce vapor when not vaped, the cigarette does with smoke though.
The vapor can be stealth vaped, the cigarettes can not. (Only kind of)
The vapor is life saving because it keeps us from lighting up a cigarette.
Anybody who can not tell the difference lacks the necessary intelligence to be a voter or councilman.
The vapor smells nice, or not at all, the smoke doesn't. (Well sometimes it does, depends on the brand or memory triggers)
The vapor doesn't constantly produce vapor when not vaped, the cigarette does with smoke though.
The vapor can be stealth vaped, the cigarettes can not. (Only kind of)
The vapor is life saving because it keeps us from lighting up a cigarette.
Anybody who can not tell the difference lacks the necessary intelligence to be a voter or councilman.
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Ummmmm, if there's smoke, there's fire, a steady stream of it to be exact. And when puffed on, a whole bunch of extra smoke clouds the air.
Vaping still amazes the ANTZ. How can a stick, tube, box, produce vapor when someone drags on it, but not when they don't? Shouldn't it produce vapor the entire time the stick/tube/box is filled with nic juice ? It is called a cigarette isn't it. Surely....
+1.
Stupidist argument yet. It almost makes me WANT to do it to the ANTZ ....
if I can refrain from making the ANTZ disappear into a cloud of my vapor if even for a thousandth of a second, I believe I'm polite enough, respectful enough, courteous enough from blowing it in good people's faces.
It's not, and I don't think anybody here is suggesting that.
Except maybe a small handful perhaps.
The thing is (and I've said this before) a lot of the don't-vape-where-you-can't-smoke people often seem to assume the other side is saying that.
In reality, we are almost all unanimous in the idea that being considerate is the most important thing.
We just seem to have very different places to draw the line as to what constitutes consideration.
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