Vaping vs Smoking - An Experiment

[Baldr]

Well, he smokes Ultra Lights which usually are .8 mg of nicotine per cig. I was a pack a day Camel Filters and 24 was good for me. Plus, its WTA which usually packs a bigger punch.

I do have some 24mg left, you think I should refill with that?

You can mix equal amounts of 12 and 24 and end up with 18, stuff like that.

How much nic he needs is a decision he needs to make. IMO, the biggest part of a successful smoking-to-vaping switch is getting juice that is "right" for that individual.

You can give them an ego Twist or Vision Spinner, add a Protank, and that will do the job as far as hardware. No, it's not as nice as a Provari, but it will get the job done, and it will do it for everyone. But juice, they need a flavor they like, and they need the right nic level. Not too much, and not too little. (I'm trying to avoid a Goldilocks story here, but it's hard.) The "right" juice varies, both in flavor and nic level, quite a bit from individual to individual.

The part where he is "sort of complaining that he really wants a cigarette" makes me think "he needs more nic".

I started at 24 and it wasn't enough. I had to go to 30 to get off the cigs.

But I think the big issue here is it doesn't sound like he wants to quit smoking. I don't blame you for trying, or for telling him "I'll help you vape, but I'm not buying you cigs". But I'm pretty convinced that if they don't really want to switch, it won't work. I've bought starter kits for several people, and taken them to the vape shop to pick juice which I also bought. None of those made a successful switch. They tried it, and they still vape now and then in places where they can't smoke, but that's about it.

Even if he doesn't make the switch now, and goes back to smoking as soon as he gets some cash, it's possible that he'll come back to it later. Good luck with it.

 

[Thrasher]

vivi nova?!?!?! if hes the tinkering type ya gotta get some cheap rba, and then pull some crap like "honey im not sure i understand the resistance thingy" while making the coil suck him into it it with the hands on thing then when the thing is pouring out vapor usually the Tim Allen effect kicks in "mooooore powwweeerrr!!! roh roh

 

[GtrSoloist]

+1 on the RBA/RDA. Any excuse to play with a butane torch is a plus. It's a primal Quest for Fire thing.

Hey Rocky, watch me pull a RBA out of my (I was gonna say "hat", really I was)

 

[Stosh]

The heck with RBAs and building coils. Stop over in the modders forum, explain your situation and ask for a few designs with parts list for a nice touch switch VV PWM mod. Lots of good electronics geek fiddling to do, design changes to ponder.

Best case - he gets more interested, worst case - you get a new high tech mod to vape with...

 

[Mohamed]

This site has a vastly larger percentage of positive people than negative ones.

I hope last night got your SO to thinking about the possibilities of vaping. Maybe you could encourage him to vape ALONGSIDE his smoking, "to make the cigarettes last longer". With time and practice, he might just find he doesn't need the cigarettes anymore.

Tell him, "no pressure...just give it a whirl".

I smoked approx 3-8 cigs a day when I started on disposables. The disposables cut me back from approx 1.25 packs a day to 3-8. That's what gave me the courage to take the next step of a starter kit. I think on the e-blu starter kit I was still having 1 or so a day until I moved to an ego.

But yeah if he wants his pack to last longer ecigs could help do that as well My last pack lasted me almost 2 months. I still cheat from time to time but that shouldn't discourage anyone.

 

[Claudia P]

I was married to a wonderful man for 25 years and we did as you say a similar place. All money was in a joint account and he handled all of the financial matters and it appeared to work just fine. Then he got cancer and died leaving me bankrupt, I never had a chance to grieve the loss of the love of my life, I was too busy fighting off bill collectors who acted as if I had killed him just to get out of paying them. Mind you for that 25 years we had what was at that time AAA credit rating with never a late or missed payment on anything. The biggest problem was that he was a service connected disabled veteran and when he died the income stopped immediately and my survivor's benefit didn't kick in for nearly a year, remember HE handled all finances AND at that time no one would give life insurance to a paraplegic so...well you get the picture. I did not have a career, I had been taking care of him for 25 years.
OK fast forward, I got back on my feet after a few years and decided that never again would I be in that position, I would not be dependent on another human financially, and I have not been. I have been in a relationship with another man for 15 years and we maintain separate finances so I understand where Alisa is coming from completely. We share household expenses evenly and this works out very well with one added benefit, we NEVER ever argue about money, it simply doesn't happen. If I'm short he loans me whatever I need and the same holds true if it is him, and it works.

Also i come from a different place.. Where i come from money is most always shared, neither person in a relationship has a personal bank account or funds really.. Im old timey. Raised Old timey, and Old. lol. But really, no offence ment, thats why i said that the first time around. it was, as i said, my 2cents.

 

[Claudia P]

Alisa I don't think it is just generational norms since I'm 65 and MY ADHD, smoking, SO is 56. I think it may just be different personal situations and experiences. We do it the way you do.

Honestly I don't have any advice, in fact I may be following this to get some hints as this situation plays out in this house over the next few months or so. In our splitting of expenses groceries are my responsibility and cigarettes have always been part of that, especially since I smoked twice what he did and we would share smokes. He has been trying half heartedly to quit for many years, since he was seriously injured at work, an injury that required 4 surgeries, bone grafts, implanted bone stimulator, etc and 11 years to finally heal the last break. He did manage to cut down to half a pack or less but that is the best he could manage, the doctor also would not allow any nicotine replacement because it restricts circulation.

The biggest problem we are going to have is that he does not believe that vaping is any better than smoking and refuses to read or listen, he has tried a puff here and there and does not like it at all. He doesn't like me doing it either but knows better than to forbid it, although there are juices I like that he simply can't stand the smell of and pitches a fit if I vape them in the house. If he had his way I would not be allowed to vape in the house, but he is keeping quite about that with the exception of the juices he can't stand the smell of, but I see the looks.

I have told him nicely that when the new taxes take effect and cigs go up $10 a carton I'm not going to be happy about buying them, and he agrees that he wouldn't either. I probably am going to have to start going outside to vape though, because he says it makes him want a smoke and he does not ever smoke in the house so it is only fair that I don't vape in front of him when he is trying to quit.

Well while sitting here typing this I probably have solved my own dilema. lol.

Wish I had some advice for you that would help.

I get it, but it did come off as harsh and rather judgemental. Thanks for the clarification--generational norms may be part of the communication problem.

We are in our mid 40's, met when we were 19. For various reasons we have not tied the knot, but everyone thinks of us as "married". I will never combine bank accounts with him--he moved in with me only 10 years ago and I had already established my own financial life. He's terrible with money and would likely spend "our" money on "his" business (I've loaned him plenty), which doesn't make enough month to month to cover much. He has adult ADHD, so sometimes he IS like a child. I do what I can to distance myself financially because if I don't, it will affect me probably more than it will him.

That being said, I love him dearly.

I'm not on any mission to "get him to quit", but I also don't want to be the one caring for him if he gets lung cancer or some other smoking related disease, especially if he's acknowledged to himself that he should quit. This is my life too and it would tear me apart to have to live through that.

So, I expect that he will have figured out a way to get some cigarettes by the time I get home. It will be a pleasant surprise if he sticks with the vaping and actually likes it.





I hope so--if not, it's not like anything will be any different! That's kind of why I was calling it an experiment.

 

[Robino1]

Let me just say that I offer my unqualified support for both Alisa and Claudia. Good luck to both of you.

 

[Claudia P]

When I started vaping it was mostly to see what this was all about so I bought a Blu disposable. I kinda liked it so started some research and found ECF.
I didn't have any intention of quitting, I just wanted something I could use when I went out with his cousin and could just grab a drag or two while chasing her across a parking lot and a dead trot. I accidently only smoked 4 cigs the second day and it pretty much stayed there for a couple of weeks till my better gear arrived. I read and read and read and when my eGo twist kit and some decent juice arrived I was down to 2, I still didn't intend to quit but as time went on the cigs tasted nastier and nastier till I finally said that's it, I prefer vaping.

I wasn't ready to give up my cigs, either, but after a few days I just got a wild hair, didn't have my morning smoke, and that was the end of that.