VG Pipe Tobacco Essense

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Kurt

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I ma just curious if anyone has tried this method using a crock pot on low heat over night?

I think this will cook the tobacco too much, rather than flash extract the flavors. But no, I have not tried it. The fast method in the pan makes more than enough for my needs. Unless you are planning to sell juices, even 30 mL of a flavor is a lot for a while, and I have found with VG the TE is very stable for months...in fact, it actually gets better. Mine has been sitting at room temp for about a year, and it has deepened into a very delightful flavor. Very stable. Not sure if longer cooking is going to make something this stable. You don't want to break down the plant material much.
 

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Kurt you are a super genius. I just tried the extraction with some rum runner blend from the Tinder Box. It is the smoothest and most flavorful tobacco e juice I have ever had. Going to do some Captain spice and Pirates treasure tomorrow. I will never go back to store bought tobacco flavor again. Adding any extra flavorings is not necessary it is awesome at 30% all VG 18 mg nic. An added bonus is my kitchen smells great. My wife says it smells like Christmas when I used to smoke a pipe while we opened presents, she loves it.
 

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Anyone try 2 hours verses 12 hours and see what the differences where?

Any specific brand of PG / VG to use or what types of VG / PG to stay away from?

What is a good sweetener to use? I am going to make some flavors someday that I will probably be needing to add sweeteners.

Can anyone recommend a good website for getting DIY stuff from at the cheapest prices?
 

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Anyone try 2 hours verses 12 hours and see what the differences where?

Any specific brand of PG / VG to use or what types of VG / PG to stay away from?

What is a good sweetener to use? I am going to make some flavors someday that I will probably be needing to add sweeteners.

Can anyone recommend a good website for getting DIY stuff from at the cheapest prices?

Ecigexpress for your flavorings. Highdesertvaping for flavorings and nicotine.

I tried an extraction using VG. I have not had time to use it yet. However, I used a natural black n mild cigar. USP grade which is pharmaceutical is the best for pg and VG. I use cotton candy as a sweetener. Liquid splenda will work. Most diy places sell it in small quantities. I never use mine. I like EM/cotton candy much better. It also adds some body to the liquid.

The two places above have threads that you can ask questions related to DIY equipment. I am sure they can help you out. Good luck on your DIY jouney.
 

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I only smoked Virginia or Virginia/Perique tobaccos with no additives or flavoring. I am going to give this method a try with some of my Peter Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake to see how it works. If that works then I will see how the well aged 2015 works. I am glad I found this thread before I sold all my tobacco.
 

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First I just wanted to thank everyone here for getting this process down and on the forums, it might be exactly what I've been looking for. I have some Lane RLP6/BCA waiting overnight for that 12 hour soak, and I tried some I made earlier after seeing the question about 2 hours. After 2 hours of sitting, and a little cut with distilled water, blending it around 25% is just too much for me, I think this may be the blend I use to turn my extract into a flavor I can add to juice or PG/VG.
 

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I made up some myself using VG and added Captain Morgans spiced rum to my mix.The tobacco I used was Gamblers Rich.The flavor is crazy good with the CM spiced Rum.I added the rum when I re heated the mix the next day and I have let it sit for a month now and WOW.I'm going to mix up some and add some Vanilla for a Vanilla Spiced Rum flavor.I will post what it taste like after I'm done and its steeped.
 

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Would boiling the tobacco before you start remove or destroy any nicotine? If so would it also remove flavour? I'm asking because I would like a real 0% TE.


The reason I use VG, besides the fact that I cannot vape PG hardly at all, is it is more polar than PG or ethanol. I didn't want any nicotine or the TSNAs (carcinogenic, similar to nicotine in structure), or big biomolecules, to be extracted. I only wanted flavors to come out. So while I cannot say for sure that my PTE is 0-nic, it is most likely very very low. Even if it did come out with a VG extraction, this is a flavoring we are making, not a juice. I use mine at about 5-10%. So I would estimate the most a juice would be after making one from PTE would be 1-2 mg, and most likely far less than that. I've not done GC-MS on PTE, however, so I may be wrong, but the chemistry says very polar will not extract significant nicotine from tobacco. You need non-polar solvents for that.

PG or ethanol, I expect, will pull more large bio molecules out, maybe more nicotine (but still not much), and possibly more TSNAs (probably present since pipe tobacco is fermented). So if this is a concern for people, air-cured tobacco might be a good thing to try. Course ground would be best, I would think, or shag or navy cut. Not whole leaf.

My VG PTE is incredibly age-stable. I am thinking it might never go bad, as it is even better after 18 months than it was fresh, and it was pretty good fresh! Somewhat less flavor over all now, but deeper, more complex. reminds me of how a fine Bordeaux ages. I'm using Stanwell Malange, and now the cherry and vanillas have come forward. Fantastic!
 

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I didn't want any nicotine or the TSNAs (carcinogenic, similar to nicotine in structure), or big biomolecules, to be extracted. I only wanted flavors to come out. So while I cannot say for sure that my PTE is 0-nic, it is most likely very very low. Even if it did come out with a VG extraction, this is a flavoring we are making, not a juice. I use mine at about 5-10%. So I would estimate the most a juice would be after making one from PTE would be 1-2 mg, and most likely far less than that. I've not done GC-MS on PTE, however, so I may be wrong.

So would boiling and straining the tobacco first remove even more possible nicotine from leaching into the final product? Would boiling the TE at the end be better? I don't want a chance of even 1mg making it's way in.
 
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So would boiling and straining the tobacco first remove even more possible nicotine from leaching into the final product? Would boiling the TE at the end be better? I don't want a chance of even 1mg making it's way in.

That I could not say without doing a GC-MS on the essence. Boiling the tobacco first would simply liberate the flavors too. The only way to ensure absolutely no nic would be to make the juice with a 0-nic tobacco flavor, not an essence. Complete nic removal from the tobacco will require non-polar solvents, and will be a rather nasty job, requiring much glassware and waste procedures. And if the nin in the tobacco is partly in its protonated salt form, VG will extract some of that. I do not think my recipe is 0-nic, rather very very low nic, but again I have not measured this.

And in response to the question about how long to let it sit, 12 hours is arbitrary. I just wanted several hours, and longer than 1 or 2. So I do it before going to bed, let it sit overnight, and then sometime the next day I heat it up a little and strain it. Boiling it longer will just get out more big molecules and promote decomposition, which I wanted to avoid. Flash boiling it, however, gave it a bit of caramel character I liked. One could experiment with different times of boiling and sitting. I liked what I got with this method, so I have not changed the parameters. YMMV.
 

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I read somewhere here on the forum that overheating the PG will start a chemical breakdown which will produce the poor flavor you experienced. I've been using room temperature PG, just 'steeping' it longer.

Actually VG overheating is the problem not PG. PG has no breakdown products before reaching boiling point of ? 188 degrees c. VG boils at 290 c but begins to break down to acrelin at 280 c. I would think that one should never heat VG anywhere near to boiling.


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I've read about the whole VG --> acrolein issue in the past. I comfort myself by thinking that even a 'pure VG' juice in my case will have 10% water, some ETOH and PG from flavoring, etc, and probably won't be amenable to under going said reaction even, but I'm just speculating. I don't know what the boiling point of this mixed solution would actually be, and don't remember enough high school chem at the moment to figure it out...I do remember FREEZING point depression though :)

I'm just curious what you think of this Kurt? I mean, to play devil's advocate, if we're getting vapor, that means we're boiling, which means we're reaching 10 degrees celsius past the point where acrolein forms....right? which is bad?
 
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