Warning: My Aspire Atlantis coil just FELL APART while I was vaping, and particles got lodged in my throat.

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stevegmu

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Alright, I give up after this.

I'm going to let this thread die. The amount of ignorance on this thread is astounding. Some people just cannot accept something when it is right in their faces.


Good luck people. This was my personal experience, and my warning. Wish you all the best!

Many simply won't believe anything negative concerning vaping. A mod explodes; it must be user error. Mystery fiberglass wicks unravel and become lodged in ones' throat; must be user error. Diketones may not be healthy to vape; must be ANTS propaganda...
 

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This forum is getting ridiculous for attacking people who report problems no matter what piece of hardware super has been an active member long enough that he deserves some credibility and for those making insinuations if you don't like reading bad things don't come onto forums. Its one of the reasons I dont give this forum address to any people anymore just not worth it when there are better forums out there for new vapers. Super if you have any symptoms lasting more then a week even slight scratchiness go to a doctor better to be safe then sorry m8 and sorry you've had some lousy posters in this thread when you were just trying to do the right thing.
 

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Sorry to hear what you're going through, and I hope it works out for the best.

Not just Atlantis users should be worried.... Anyone still vaping with disposable heads with silica wicks (a known carcinogen) should strongly reconsider, and find a setup that allows you to use cotton.

There's no evidence that amorphous silica wicks cause cancer. Indeed, there's no evidence that they cause any sort of health problems at all. Silicosis is something found in mine (quartz) workers, sandblasters, glass industry workers, and other people who work around raw crystalline silica dust that is composed of very fine airborne particles. The wicks we use are amorphous and cannot cause silicosis. For one, they are submerged in liquid, so there's no fine particles flying around. And, two, as I said, they are amorphous which means there's no extremely fine particles or "dust." I do not believe the Atlantis uses silica anyway (Aspire claimed it was some sort of ceramic).

Cotton has its own problems. For one, it burns at a much, much lower temperature than silica and releases chemicals not healthy to inhale when it does. (The reason the vape industry used silica in the first place is because of its high heat tolerance). Cotton is also responsible for a lung disease known as Byssinosis. However, just like with silica, it is only found in people who work around raw cotton in the textile industry where there are fine cotton particles flying around in the air. Not likely to be a problem with cotton submerged in e-liquid.

Basically, any substance that produces fine dry airborne particles is probably not a good idea to be around for long periods without protection. Luckily this isn't likely to be a problem with vaping since the wick (should) be completely submerged and saturated with liquid, whether it be cotton or silica.

I use cotton because it's 1) Cheap and 2) Very malleable and easy to wick. I am still not thrilled about it, though. I think the vape industry really needs to look at alternatives. I would bet some kinds of ceramics would be a good choice (very high heat tolerances), though I am skeptical of the ceramics Aspire used that easily crumble in the hand and (now) end up in people's mouths and throats. Also, not everyone can vape on cotton. Dimitris, for instance, made a video blog about how cotton landed him in the ER (neck, chest pains, difficulty breathing). He has since went back to silica and hasn't had a problem. I suspect that a small bit of cotton always gets burnt in our attys and this bit of smoke can really affect some people (whether an allergy or whatever).

I am all about safety. I am not a cloud chaser or someone trying to be cool. I am just a guy who wants to stop smoking for good. I really hope 2015 will be a year where the vape industry stops it with the watt wars or the sub-ohm wars and starts competing with each other over who can release a safer product. For instance, is there any way to devise a filtering technology for e-cigs to prevent incidents like this? As I said above, are there alternative wicking (and wire) materials? Just things I hope that some engineers are thinking about.
 

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To each their own friend, however, you shouldn't HAVE to check and study each and every coil, fearing that each coil might unravel and burn your throat. Do you honestly think that is wise?

I Get it....for some reason you are attached to the Atlantis....even though it was released prematurely, and without quality control. However, there are far better sub ohm tanks out now, and they are FAR LESS DANGEROUS.

If you saw my suggestion, I mentioned it would be wise to cease using the Atlantis, which MANY people have already done, but in the very least, I suggested switching to the new coils.

There was nothing unwise about my post. This was terrible quality control on Aspire's part, and the product is a fail.

you shouldn't HAVE to check and study each and every coil, fearing that each coil might unravel and burn your throat.
Nothing to do with FEAR. I have no fears in Vaping, Just smart safe practices. I also pop the chimney of Brand new Protank coils to inspect and adjust for best performance before use.<MASS PRODUCTION>

I Get it....for some reason you are attached to the Atlantis....even though it was released prematurely, and without quality control.

ASSUMPTION - I have never owned an Atlantis. I am fully familiar with the build. Nothing Bad about Design and with new OCC coils a good intermediate/portable tank.
As to Far better, Been off the Clearomizers(sub ohm or otherwise) for a long time, except for convenience situations. Many Nicer RTA's available.

Wise/Unwise - a matter of opinion. I see issue (for some) with the Original coil wicking material, not the coil design itself. The newer OCC solves the issue and should redeem the validity of the tank for its application category.

Not saying you did not have a Failure, the 1 in 10 million occurrence that Can Happen. But the Head has nothing to do with Tank Design or Tank quality. The Head is a consumable part with options for replacement.
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Final questions, notes.

What Mix were you Vaping?
What power settings?
How many ML?

Gunk is not created by Materials. It is created by Gelling. Your e-liquid clearly looked Gelled from possibly over use of or under powering of the coil.

Did the mod get dropped, possibly dislodging the mesh screen? Mine get knocked over several times a day by Grandkids and puppy running around.:facepalm:

Inquisitive mind.
 
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This forum is getting ridiculous for attacking people who report problems no matter what piece of hardware super has been an active member long enough that he deserves some credibility and for those making insinuations if you don't like reading bad things don't come onto forums. Its one of the reasons I dont give this forum address to any people anymore just not worth it when there are better forums out there for new vapers. Super if you have any symptoms lasting more then a week even slight scratchiness go to a doctor better to be safe then sorry m8 and sorry you've had some lousy posters in this thread when you were just trying to do the right thing.
I couldn't agree more. This is exactly why after almost 6 months on ECF, I haven't started a thread...whether it be about sharing an experience with vaping, or asking a question.
 

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I couldn't agree more. This is exactly why after almost 6 months on ECF, I haven't started a thread...whether it be about sharing an experience with vaping, or asking a question.
I'm inclined to agree with both of you. I just do a lot or reading and try to keep my trap shut.
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If one person has a particularily bad experience, does that mean every other person will inevitably have the same exact problem? No.

It's like the OP got into a car accident with a semi, and then goes around telling everyone to NEVER drive their vehicle again because they will most certainly get hit by a semi...

You had a bad experience with something, big deal. It's your choice to never use it again. Me on the other hand, I've had zero issues with the Atlantis. Does that mean it's going to blow up in my face anytime soon? That's anybody's guess. But I'm willing to take my chances.

Coils on average are $5, which means they take a matter of cents to fabricate and sell to the consumer to make profit. They're just cheap pieces of metal, plastic, and cotton. Face it, man, you got a faulty coil. It's known to happen. Try inspecting them before you pop them in.

I'm not going to read 60+ pages, but judging by that photo, you either:

1) Had a high VG and ran the coil at 35+ wattage. You probably baked the juice and a wad of it shot up during a huge inhale. Atlantis coils are meant to run at 15w-30w.

2) You never clean your tank on a regular basis, leading to a build-up of juice in multiple places.

3) A faulty coil. Not the most uncommon thing in the world. I always inspect mine before installing a new one (making sure they're tightly assembled, etc)
 

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If one person has a particularily bad experience, does that mean every other person will inevitably have the same exact problem? No.

It's like the OP got into a car accident with a semi, and then goes around telling everyone to NEVER drive their vehicle again because they will most certainly get hit by a semi...

You had a bad experience with something, big deal. It's your choice to never use it again. Me on the other hand, I've had zero issues with the Atlantis. Does that mean it's going to blow up in my face anytime soon? That's anybody's guess. But I'm willing to take my chances.

Rather, it's more like the OP bought a new car, had the steering lock up while driving, causing him to be injured in a crash, and then felt compelled to warn people about that particular car.
 

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Rather, it's more like the OP bought a new car, had the steering lock up while driving, causing him to be injured in a crash, and then felt compelled to warn people about that particular car.

Half of you should work for the FDA. At this rate we'll definitely get that ban.

Yet, we still don't know all the variables of the OP... Even if it WAS just a faulty coil, should that really deem the Atlantis tank (as a whole) dangerous and unsafe as the OP suggests?

I dare the OP to thoroughly clean his tank and pop in a new coil. I bet he'll never have that same problem again.
 
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Half of you should work for the FDA. At this rate we'll definitely get that ban.

Yet, we still don't know all the variables of the OP... Even if it WAS just a faulty coil, should that really deem the Atlantis tank (as a whole) dangerous and unsafe as the OP suggests?

The company who makes them doesn't even know what the material they are using is. Faceless companies with little to no quality control who engage in price point manufacturing shouldn't gat a pass because they make vape products...
 

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The company who makes them doesn't even know what the material they are using is. Faceless companies with little to no quality control who engage in price point manufacturing shouldn't gat a pass because they make vape products...

What does that have to do with the OP?

Aspire is releasing 100% organic cotton coils to put their ceramic/silica myth to rest. Unless you're burning dry cotton, where's the harm?

At least some wicks are advertised as straight up "silica", who's using them?
 

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What does that have to do with the OP?

Aspire is releasing 100% organic cotton coils to put their ceramic/silica myth to rest. Unless you're burning dry cotton, where's the harm?

At least some wicks are advertised as straight up "silica", who's using them?

I certainly wouldn't trust what they consider to be cotton...
 

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Oh gawd... Even if the Subtank was the topic of debate, I feel we would still be in the same place as we are now.

P. Busardo had a discussion with a Joyetech representative who admitted cotton can not be used in manufacturing, given the difficulties of working with it. Do you really think Aspire has overcome these difficulties? Joyetech is using what they call 'man-made organic cotton' in the Delta IIs...
 

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P. Busardo had a discussion with a Joyetech representative who admitted cotton can not be used in manufacturing, given the difficulties of working with it. Do you really think Aspire has overcome these difficulties? Joyetech is using what they call 'man-made organic cotton' in the Delta IIs...

Maybe it was too difficult for Joytech's standards?

What's in the Kanger OCC coils then? We can make towels, clothing, and etc, out of 100% cotton, but we can't figure out how to wedge tiny little strips of it into a piece of metal?

Joytech uses man-made because it's cheaper to buy in bulk and save on labor, just a savvy minded business maneuver.
 
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Maybe it was too difficult for Joytech's standards?

What's in the Kanger OCC coils then? We can make towels, clothing, and etc, out of 100% cotton, but we can't figure out how to wedge tiny little strips of it into a piece of metal?

Joytech uses man-made because it's cheaper to buy in bulk, just a savvy minded business maneuver.

Price point, not standards... Nobody really knows; not even Kanger... Not at the price they are sold for. Kind of like using melamine in pet foods...
 
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