I have no critical question to ask about this project, because from watching the interview it is nothing but obvious to me that a most compassionate, highly dedicated group of people stands fast behind it. A Linc Williams, for instance, was also among the great presenters at the last TPSAC meeting, advocating e-cigs in FDA's lions den (must watch meeting video, here). If only for this past presentation, I would not feel bad, even if he would now run away with my little 10$ donated for this project. Of course, I certainly don't expect this to happen. Sure, it remains to be seen if the final product will held up to present hopes. However, this project provides a real chance that something outstanding might be achieved. And therefore I am glad about having contributed, just a small investment to support a promising step towards a brighter future.
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I have no critical question to ask about this project, because from watching the interview it is nothing but obvious to me that a most compassionate, highly dedicated group of people stands fast behind it. A Linc Williams, for instance, was also among the great presenters at the last TPSAC meeting, advocating e-cigs in FDA's lions den (must watch meeting video, here). If only for this past presentation, I would not feel bad, even if he would now run away with my little 10$ donated for this project. Of course, I certainly don't expect this to happen. Sure, it remains to be seen if the final product will held up to present hopes. However, this project provides a real chance that something outstanding might be achieved. And therefore I am glad about having contributed, just a small investment to support a promising step towards a brighter future.
Thanks. In your opinion, can I reproduce that with a Provari? I just ordered one and it should be here today or tomorrow.
100th post!!!! LOL.
100th post!!!! LOL.
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I have sent you a msg to keep this thread on topic.
Join us this Wed and PLEASE if you have any doubts or questions on this project call in!!!!
Tonight, World-Vaping-Day our guest explain the creation and what we can do to participate. Also an update from the Director of “We are Vapers” Linc Williams with a huge announcement of a very generous vendor donation. Our “New Vapers Corner” explores online credit card safety and a video covering the Smoov with VapingMonkey. Finally we give away “the Stick” to a new home, and have refilled the VapeWheel with goodies ready to be spun by you the listeners. Tonight 9:30pm EST ONLY on VapersPlace | VP Live Vape Team
I would love to tell my story on a movie about vaping!!! I will be making a donation for sure!
Did you guys hear that "Drew from NHaler has donated almost $10,000 of production and post production equipment to the ('We Are Vapers') Project."
That is So Cool!, Drew where ever you are, THANK YOU!
That is So Cool!, Drew where ever you are, THANK YOU!
Donated! Money is a bit tight but I just figured that if I can afford the supplies, I can afford to donate. If it wasn't for the efforts of CASAA there might not be supplies in the future.
Thats awesome. Too bad I couldnt have helped NHaler by buying a Darwin the other day. I tried to get one. Ill donate though.
And for that you get my utmost respect.
Not that it is worth anything.
But thank you from all of us vapers who care enough to care.
Im so sorry for jumping the gun but my wife is the bread winner and she was about to come unglued when I said I wanted to donate, so I better not. I tried. Even showed the information so she knew it was a good cause that so many of us believe in. Things are tight for us also and I can not just go against her wishes, and take from my family for it. So sorry I wish I could help. Good luck raising the money.
PEOPLE IF U CAN HELP PLEASE DO SO. They have over half and it would be a shame to finish short of funds. Its for all of us and everyone that cares about us. Also for the ones that do not know us yet but that should and will know us. Bring it in team.
New post in General Discussion:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oduction-filming-begins-soon.html#post5328749
Thanks - this IS important!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oduction-filming-begins-soon.html#post5328749
Thanks - this IS important!
Contribution to more than worthy cause completed! If there's anything else I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask... I'm pretty good with Cameras & filming myself..... AND! I live right on the Atlantic Ocean... (beautiful view!)
I'm not being negative, however, I'd suggest that the "vape community" ought to remove
themselves from the internet forums for a minute so they can learn the difference
between what most would consider a documentary and what most would consider propaganda.
Someone with an agenda to make a film promoting their electronic cigarette usage + funding
by people with an agenda to promote their own electronic cigarette usage + large funding
by someone with an agenda to profit off of electronic cigarette usage = propaganda.
And that's the bottom line.
While this proposed production could definitely serve as beneficial, informative, influential and wholly positive;
I do implore all to maintain a more accurate perspective on the matter.
themselves from the internet forums for a minute so they can learn the difference
between what most would consider a documentary and what most would consider propaganda.
Someone with an agenda to make a film promoting their electronic cigarette usage + funding
by people with an agenda to promote their own electronic cigarette usage + large funding
by someone with an agenda to profit off of electronic cigarette usage = propaganda.
And that's the bottom line.
While this proposed production could definitely serve as beneficial, informative, influential and wholly positive;
I do implore all to maintain a more accurate perspective on the matter.
I should clarify before I get a headache in a handbag: I more than give
a thumbs up to the project. It's a good thing. So, flame machines, run along.
a thumbs up to the project. It's a good thing. So, flame machines, run along.
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Here is the definition of propaganda:
This article describes propaganda techniques.
Recognizing Propaganda--Guide to Critical Thinking--Academic Support
This is followed by a list of 10 common propaganda techniques, followed by descriptions of Errors of Faulty Logic, Errors of Attack, and Errors of Weak Reference.
If you are going to continue to read about electronic cigarettes and other forms of tobacco harm reduction, it is a good idea to learn all you can about propaganda techniques and how to recognize them.
Now read the press release written by the US Food and Drug Administration to communicate their findings when they conducted toxicology testing on only two brands (out of hundreds at the time) of e-cigarettes. Not entirely coincidental was the fact that the Agency selected the brands of the very same companies that had filed a law suit against the Agency.
Each company sold four different levels of nicotine in a number of different flavors, and the Agency needed to test both the liquid in the cartridge, and the vapor produced from each type of cartridge. If the liquid was tested, it could not be used to test vapor for that type, because testing the liquid used up the sample. Even if there had been only two flavors sold by each company, to cover the permutations involved, the agency would have needed to test a minimum of 12 cartridges from each company. It probably would have been better to test several samples of each type of liquid, and test several samples of each type when vaporized. They tested a total of 18 cartridges.
As the "control" for only one aspect of the testing, they used a cartridge from a pharmaceutical nicotine oral inhaler (Nicotrol). Keep in mind that people using the products had not been switching from Nicotrol to an e-cigarette. They had switched from combusted tobacco cigarette smoking. Yet, these conventional cigarettes were not tested at all to paint a picture of which practice, smoking or vaping, is more likely to be harmful to health.
FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes
Pay particular attention to the choice of words: carcinogens, toxic chemicals, an ingredient used in antifreeze.
What emotional effect are these words and phrases intended to evoke in the reader/listener?
See if you can spot any examples of the Faulty Cause and Effect propaganda technique.
Hint: Sold in shopping malls; available in different flavors
Now read the report written by the scientist in charge of the testing, as opposed to the press release written by a professional press release writer.
By the way, you have to hunt around the FDA web site to track down this report. Perhaps they didn't want the public to have easy access to the report, because the public might compare the report wording to the wording in the press release. For example, do a search for "carcinogens" and "antifreeze" and "toxic". They were not in the report. How did they end up in the press release?
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf
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I submit to you that a group of interested parties making a film about their subject does not necessarily turn the work into propaganda. There must be an intent involved to to lead the audience to false conclusions. There must be blatant use of propaganda techniques. There must be a careless disregard about who gets hurt from these false conclusions.
Otherwise all you have is advertising and/or public relations.
This article describes propaganda techniques.
Recognizing Propaganda--Guide to Critical Thinking--Academic Support
This is followed by a list of 10 common propaganda techniques, followed by descriptions of Errors of Faulty Logic, Errors of Attack, and Errors of Weak Reference.
If you are going to continue to read about electronic cigarettes and other forms of tobacco harm reduction, it is a good idea to learn all you can about propaganda techniques and how to recognize them.
Now read the press release written by the US Food and Drug Administration to communicate their findings when they conducted toxicology testing on only two brands (out of hundreds at the time) of e-cigarettes. Not entirely coincidental was the fact that the Agency selected the brands of the very same companies that had filed a law suit against the Agency.
Each company sold four different levels of nicotine in a number of different flavors, and the Agency needed to test both the liquid in the cartridge, and the vapor produced from each type of cartridge. If the liquid was tested, it could not be used to test vapor for that type, because testing the liquid used up the sample. Even if there had been only two flavors sold by each company, to cover the permutations involved, the agency would have needed to test a minimum of 12 cartridges from each company. It probably would have been better to test several samples of each type of liquid, and test several samples of each type when vaporized. They tested a total of 18 cartridges.
As the "control" for only one aspect of the testing, they used a cartridge from a pharmaceutical nicotine oral inhaler (Nicotrol). Keep in mind that people using the products had not been switching from Nicotrol to an e-cigarette. They had switched from combusted tobacco cigarette smoking. Yet, these conventional cigarettes were not tested at all to paint a picture of which practice, smoking or vaping, is more likely to be harmful to health.
FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes
Pay particular attention to the choice of words: carcinogens, toxic chemicals, an ingredient used in antifreeze.
What emotional effect are these words and phrases intended to evoke in the reader/listener?
See if you can spot any examples of the Faulty Cause and Effect propaganda technique.
Hint: Sold in shopping malls; available in different flavors
Now read the report written by the scientist in charge of the testing, as opposed to the press release written by a professional press release writer.
By the way, you have to hunt around the FDA web site to track down this report. Perhaps they didn't want the public to have easy access to the report, because the public might compare the report wording to the wording in the press release. For example, do a search for "carcinogens" and "antifreeze" and "toxic". They were not in the report. How did they end up in the press release?
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf
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I submit to you that a group of interested parties making a film about their subject does not necessarily turn the work into propaganda. There must be an intent involved to to lead the audience to false conclusions. There must be blatant use of propaganda techniques. There must be a careless disregard about who gets hurt from these false conclusions.
Otherwise all you have is advertising and/or public relations.
I don't flame, but I'll definitely bite...
What does this mean?
Why write it?
Because I don't understand your point.
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