And just to add, I've been looking at these American made PVs. I'll pop on one one of these days.
I'm sure it will get simpler. But I still cannot believe that it will ever be as easy as pulling a cigarette out of a pack and lighting it......
Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones. My goal was to keep it as simple as possible, not a hobby like some; although I think some people enjoy it as a hobby--not me.
I started out of with a joye ego p/t........moved on the the ego-t.....now own a provari......
literally no maintenace....510 hv debridged atty.....heated distilled water thru it with a syringe.......
When the automobile was invented, there weren't windows that rolled up at the push of a button,
heck not even an automatic starter, they broke down constantly, leaked oil, didn't last very long
without needing to be replaced. Kind of sounds like today's e-cig, it took years of research and
development to bring about the modern car we take for granted.
If early drivers took the attitude of "it don't do 0-100 mph in 6 sec, and it's difficult to use", the
technology would have never moved forward. We are still on the bleeding edge of a brand new
technology, one that is trying to be suppressed by the government, and is driven by nicotine addicts.
Nice advice for newbies. but the OP's notion that the postings in this forum need to be down sampled to a less technical or opinionated set of practices is not particularly compelling. The stickies with the basics at the top of the forum are for the basic basics. the personal passion with which people recommend their PVs is part of the charm of this place. A MAP tank for goodness sakes...i've been vaping a year and i think that's one of the most hideous devices around... i'd much prefer a bottom fed grand reo--just haven't found one for sale at the moments when i have been shopping--not that i wouldn't try the map tank...i don't actually care about ugly--i just find that having a syringe in the house to refill cartos is just a bit too much.Ban the bloviators, I say! LOL. Much of that technical advice only applies to the way they vape, anyway. They could have said what was needed in a paragraph or two.
My underwhelming advice to newbies, and considered opinion, non-brand specific: Buy a small, inexpensive pv or two. Get some e-liquid, extra batteries and atomisers. Practice your draw. You'll be surprised that it's different than the draw you use with a cigarette. Ease into it. You don't have to throw your cigarettes away the first day, or ever, if you don't want to. Count on some frustration with the "stuff." Come back and read these forums for support. Experiment and make your mistakes--it's okay, you're learning what works for YOU in the process. Drink lots of water. Don't count on breaking even for a while (maybe a long while or never, depending.) Stick with it. It gets better...honest. Keep your stuff away from the kids and pets. Feel better. That's all.
Susan
I can appreciate the desire to keep things simple. Especially when new, it is like some heartfelt desire to just buy something and conquer the world of vaping. I will even go so far as to say that the simple concept of heating/vaporizing a liquid and inhaling it has gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of hand considering the simplicity.gawdddd... VV mods, box mods, etc, are just not as simple as an eGo/Riva whatever that just plain works. Why must everything come to a debate about what's best? It's all a matter of opinion, and my opinion stands... box mods and most big batts are just plain ugly. Yes the woodwork craftsmanship is lovely and is appreciated for what it is, but I still dont want one. Having to fidget with VV just increases the confusion and chances for disaster, such as blowing up attys with too much voltage, which leads to more monies lost.
I am in no way saying that these mods are not of good quality, I am saying they are just not for everyone. Many folks just want simplicity and there's nothing wrong with that, especially for newbies.
It concerns me that companies like RJR and Phillip Morris aren't running with the ecig concept. It's a natural fit for them and certainly they could make a killing marketing these things. That tells me they know something we don't. Like they're making inroads into getting ecigs banned or regulated. In any event, if everyone quit smoking tomorrow, calculate the amount of money state and federal governments would lose. So the future of ecigs, to me, is pretty clear. Find the next tea party in your area and go makes some noise.
Maybe Big Tobacco isn't running with ecigs because the profit margin isn't as good as their current product. We know they make them and test them in their labs. I think Big Tobacco knows the future is with ecigs but they won't make that leap until their profit margin is seriously effected. IMO that is when they will lobby the regulators and market the product to their current consumer base. I don't think they are worried about the FDA. They have a lot of money and have spent it well. They manufacture and sale a product that is known to cause numerous health problems, maybe even death and are able to do it legally. I can see the new marketing campaign when (if) they start marketing ecigs. It will be the softer, caring, healthier, Big Tobacco lol.
I do agree with you that they will push for regulation. It will squash the little guys who will try to cut in on their profit margin and keep Big Government happy. Big Pharma is also testing ecig type devices. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out but I think the future of most smokers will be something like an ecig and less like a combustible.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. I'm a newbie. I posted several questions my first week. I was overwhelmed alright - but not by the information. I was overwhelmed by everyone's willingness to be helpful and to share their experience. I didn't find any of the answers to be overly technical, and I when I came across vape vocab that I didn't understand, I used the search feature and looked it up or went on youtube and found a video. I also scoured the e-cig library. So, I appreciate every answer from the veterans. I've learned ALOT from this forum. I may never become a vaping connoisseur with multiple PVs and gourmet juice tastes, but at least I know what all my options are.
There are plenty of US made pv's that are of the utmost quality and these vendors can't keep them in stock or you're on a waiting list--try buying a provari, darwin etc. The American consumer wants quality...look what happened to the US car industry when japan entered it in the '70s. Japan offered a better quality vehicle at a cheaper price. That's just one example...there's a thousand more.
cheers,
No matter the simplicity or complexity of any PV, it will not work unless you are willing to make the commitment to the effort required to make it work.
I am of mixed feelings about younger people buying e-cigs. I know my son started smoking before he was 18 and so did all of his friends and I would much rather they vape than smoke. They're all 19 to 20 now. I've tried to get all of them to switch and none of them have. Having to charge things multiple times a day, switch empty cartomizers, or refill carts and carry bottles of juice is just too much trouble for them. I bought him every style that he wanted to try. 901's, 510's, Stick, 601 Pipe -- nothing stuck more than a few days. They all like the flavors, all of them want to know what I'm using and taste it. Now that the bottom feeder mods are around he's interested again. The idea that you can have something that you only have to fill every other day and only have to charge a battery every day or so appeals to him. I'll see how he likes my Monkeyboxx when I get it and start saving to buy him one if he wants it. Actually for him, the REO would probably be better since he is rough on things, metal is probably a better option than wood for him. The best thing about vaping is that there are so many options that there is a way to find one that fits almost everyone. Getting there is both fun and frustrating at times .