What IS the infatuation with "Massive Clouds" of "vapor"?? Is it necessary for enjoyment or a fad?

[generic mutant]

I love cloud chasing ! It's nobody's business how one likes to vape !

In a libertarian utopia, sure.

But none of us live there...

As long as there is still a serious threat of vaping being banned (even locally), it is every vaper's business when practises which can be dangerous if entered into without a certain level of knowledge are pushed on new users. I'm not accusing you of doing this by any stretch, but I don't think you can seriously argue that all the stories about vape shops setting newbies up with 0.5 ohm mechs and shoving them out the door are made up.

 

[xanderxman]

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the responsible cloud chasers will very much talk up the fact they can vape 2 mg nic and still get dizzy and really isnt that kind of better then having to vape 24 for the same effect? from a DIY standpoint 2mg juice is pennies a bottle.

That is another good point. I dropped from 18mg to 6mg in my dripper because I was getting way too much nic.

 

[xanderxman]

In a libertarian utopia, sure.

But none of us live there...

As long as there is still a serious threat of vaping being banned (even locally), it is every vaper's business when practises which can be dangerous if entered into without a certain level of knowledge are pushed on new users. I'm not accusing you of doing this by any stretch, but I don't think you can seriously argue that all the stories about vape shops setting newbies up with 0.5 ohm mechs and shoving them out the door are made up.

I very seriously doubt that the government is giving too much weight to people blowing huge clouds. The money from BP carries much more incentive! They have never needed a reason to do anything they have done and I doubt you will see propaganda posters defiling vapers for blowing huge clouds anytime soon.

 

[alisa1970]

I like more clouds than when I smoked, but I agree, don't be this guy. LOL!

 

[generic mutant]

I very seriously doubt that the government is giving too much weight to people blowing huge clouds. The money from BP carries much more incentive! They have never needed a reason to do anything they have done and I doubt you will see propaganda posters defiling vapers for blowing huge clouds anytime soon.

Batteries venting isn't good publicity...

Don't get me wrong, what you want to do with your own device is your business until it affects other people.

But there is something problematic in the culture (or business) of vaping if people are being pushed into setups they aren't ready for.

 

[28if]

What IS the infatuation with "Massive Clouds" of "vapor"??

Not real sure. However, it is a goal of mine!!!

 

[K_Tech]

I am not a cloud chaser, I am a flavor hound. I want just enough Throat Hit to know I am vaping and FLAVOR. That is why I use a dripper. I love the flavor. That is a two edged sword though, when you get the vapers tongue everything tastes especially bad. The first sub ohm setup I ever hit produced Huge clouds and very little else. It is somewhat fun to see how huge you can get but the main impetus for vaping, to me, is taste.

For me, it's not a bad taste, it's just a cloud of warm nothing...

In a libertarian utopia, sure.

But none of us live there...

My living room is a libertarian utopia, and you are more than welcome to come and vape there any time. That goes for all of you!

 

[WillyZee]

Big clouds I get, if people are after more flavour say ... vape tricks are something I don't get ... but I am a vaper in his 40s who took up vaping to quit smoking ... I think I blew a few smoke rings, when I started smoking back in my teens.

 

[Ryedan]

Batteries venting isn't good publicity...

Don't get me wrong, what you want to do with your own device is your business until it affects other people.

But there is something problematic in the culture (or business) of vaping if people are being pushed into setups they aren't ready for.

I agree there has been a lot of this lately generic mutant. I don't however consider this issue caused by cloud chasing. It's caused by business people who want to make a quick buck and don't care enough about safety.

 

[Beast_Biter]

I like more clouds than when I smoked, but I agree, don't be this guy. LOL!

Haha that was awesome, especially the satanic glare from the cat. Cloud chasing does seem a little ridiculous but doesn't bother me except when people are irresponsible. Personally I'll take reliablility, consistency and minimal tinkering to get me through the day and keep me from going back to cigarettes.

 

[edyle]

I can't say I have equipment to make huge clouds, but do consider myself more the cloud chaser type of vaper.

I don't use nic mostly - although I do keep 1 tank with high nic for an occassional taste- and that mix does not make much fog.

Meanwhile, when the equipment is working properly, I get a certain consistency of fog. When the equipment has a problem, there is less fog. Therefore there is an instinctive reaction to seek out a configuration that results is at least a strong and consistent fog.

After 3 decades of smoking the instinct is there that when you don't get smoke or when you get less smoke than normal, there's something wrong with your cig like maybe it went out, or got damp or a pin hole in the paper,



Oh a side note- I do find it disconcerting when I use my high nic tank, and get very little fog but a strong throat hit; I kind of feel like a thick fog should go with a strong throat hit, and the stronger the hit the thicker the fog.

 

[generic mutant]

I agree there has been a lot of this lately generic mutant. I don't however consider this issue caused by cloud chasing. It's caused by business people who want to make a quick buck and don't care enough about safety.

But it's the cloud-chasing phenomenon that this business practice is rooted in.

Take another example: climbing Everest.

There's a huge problem in the climbing industry of people being led up there because they're willing to pay, regardless of whether they're ready. Many of them die, or are permanently injured.

Is the problem the climbing industry being unscrupulous, or the daredevil / explorer mentality that leads people to want to conquer Everest when they should probably be sticking to Snowdon?

You can't have the former without the latter, and it's legitimate to discuss both.

 

[Don Robertson]

What is the infatuation with worrying about what other vapers do with their time and money? Does it really bother people that there are cloud chasers out there enough to start a thread about it? Some people like a huge cloud, others are concerned with TH, others are concerned with flavor. I could ask the same question about people fascinated with TH. Why is that so important? Smoking gave a throat hit, but we started vaping to stop smoking, so why simulate it so closely?

To each their own. I have many more important things to concern myself with than why vapers choose to vape the way they do.

Yet - ya found time to gripe about the query? Not TOO busy to bust chops over a legit question, huh?

I'm so sorry the fellows with crooked noses invaded yer space and forced ya to reply. I'll be sure to check all future queries I may have and obtain permission before wasting yer valuable time, OK?

How big IS your "cloud" ......... or whatever its name may be this fine weekend? Sheese ......... some people.

Senile Old Man Don ........... Forgot Rules Number 2,618 ..... "Always ask questions that in no way can be belittled by "the elite".

 

[alisa1970]

But it's the cloud-chasing phenomenon that this business practice is rooted in.

Take another example: climbing Everest.

There's a huge problem in the climbing industry of people being led up there because they're willing to pay, regardless of whether they're ready. Many of them die, or are permanently injured.

Is the problem the climbing industry being unscrupulous, or the daredevil / explorer mentality that leads people to want to conquer Everest when they should probably be sticking to Snowdon?

You can't have the former without the latter, and it's legitimate to discuss both.

Assuming that most adults are free to make decisions about what to do with their lives, I don't see that there should be any blame placed on either party. If someone gets hurt, there are ways of dealing with that. That's why we have courts.

 

[xanderxman]

It seems to me, then, that we should only shop at responsible vendors. Not those that are willing to put people at risk. It seems we, as vapers, have a responsibility to properly vet potential vendors and ensure they are not the shady type. If enough people stop shopping at their stores/websites then they will disappear.

I have a feeling that will never happen though. Those same vendors usually sell equipment and juice cheaper than most so that is where the newbies will go.

 

[Don Robertson]

THIS 100%!! I don't see how cloud chasing affects anyone except the vaper doing the chasing. I recently bought a mech and a dripper and am running a sub-ohm coil. The difference between the cloud from my PT2/ProVari and the cloud from the mech is tremendous. I enjoy using both devices, for different reasons. Am I supposed to apologize to someone who lives thousands of miles away from me because I occasionally enjoy completely fogging up my room?

WOW! You really feel important! It was a QUESTION - out of curiosity. A question! Something about which I was seeking an answer. That's all. If it bothers Ya THAT much ....... speed away and don't READ it; the topic is obvious.

Fortunately - others had an opinion - not just a need to gripe. You do this a lot don't Ya?

Your first gripe noted: "To each their own. I have many more important things to concern myself with than why vapers choose to vape the way they do."

You're spending a lot of time comin' back to post and post and post; really slow today? Perhaps you have an opinion on the QUESTION that pertains to the QUESTION? Or are the 'elite' exempt?

Senile Old Man Don ........... Did I step on the "stars" toes?

 

[xanderxman]

Yet - ya found time to gripe about the query? Not TOO busy to bust chops over a legit question, huh?

I'm so sorry the fellows with crooked noses invaded yer space and forced ya to reply. I'll be sure to check all future queries I may have and obtain permission before wasting yer valuable time, OK?

How big IS your "cloud" ......... or whatever its name may be this fine weekend? Sheese ......... some people.

Senile Old Man Don ........... Forgot Rules Number 2,618 ..... "Always ask questions that in no way can be belittled by "the elite".

I only said I had more important things to worry about than why vapers do what they do, not to answer a legit question. Maybe reread my post?

These types of questions concern me because it seems that, as shown by this thread, a subsection of vapers are being called out as potentially causing problems and some folks think they should change their behavior. Every vaper on the planet is causing problems right now. Vaping has not been universally accepted and I do not the cloud chasers causing any more of an issue than those that are new and assume, since it isn't smoking, that they are free to vape anywhere they damn well please. Those are the real cause of the problem. They show a lack of respect and are the focus of the arguments against vaping in public.

 

[K_Tech]

Yet - ya found time to gripe about the query? Not TOO busy to bust chops over a legit question, huh?

I'm so sorry the fellows with crooked noses invaded yer space and forced ya to reply. I'll be sure to check all future queries I may have and obtain permission before wasting yer valuable time, OK?

How big IS your "cloud" ......... or whatever its name may be this fine weekend? Sheese ......... some people.

Senile Old Man Don ........... Forgot Rules Number 2,618 ..... "Always ask questions that in no way can be belittled by "the elite".

Don, not arguing, but I'm just wondering is it the cloud chasers themselves that bother you, or the idea that you can't vape "properly" without blowing nuclear clouds (an idea that I happen to disagree with)?

 

[generic mutant]

Assuming that most adults are free to make decisions about what to do with their lives, I don't see that there should be any blame placed on either party. If someone gets hurt, there are ways of dealing with that. That's why we have courts.

I think that's a lot easier to say with something like climbing, where there's no realistic chance of it being banned / regulated into non-existence.

I don't think there's any realistic chance of vaping being banned - it's simply too large a public health prize.

But the path to it being accepted will probably be beset with many little local bans being instated and overturned.

Until such time, I think we have a responsibility to avoid undue negative attention, and battery safety is part of that.

Personally, I'd support trade associations that throw people out if they set new users up with devices which are unsafe for them. Of course that costs money, and unless vapers are going to pay extra for it it won't happen.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Yet - ya found time to gripe about the query? Not TOO busy to bust chops over a legit question, huh?

I'm so sorry the fellows with crooked noses invaded yer space and forced ya to reply. I'll be sure to check all future queries I may have and obtain permission before wasting yer valuable time, OK?

How big IS your "cloud" ......... or whatever its name may be this fine weekend? Sheese ......... some people.

Senile Old Man Don ........... Forgot Rules Number 2,618 ..... "Always ask questions that in no way can be belittled by "the elite".

^I love this guy - he's feisty. No offence to the poster he's reacting to (POV's are just that), but there's a little spice in the gumbo now.