What's under your lip/in your nose right now? - Part 2

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So now flavors in e cigs are under attack.
Yeah, soak cardiac cells directly in pure flavor concentrate (probably alcohol based) and they don't fare well. Who woulda guessed? That "study" is seriously flawed.

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On second day with no electric. The main road to the closest town got closed down as trees got ripped out and took out the electric. What really amazes me is that FIOS has stayed up every time we had an outage. Once you get the generator electric to the Ont and the router, you have internet and TV once you get power there. I have an electrician coming tomorrow to find out what it's going to cost to not have to run extension cords all over. Of course the easy way is the illegal way but it's pretty brainless to understand top turn off the main before you put any generated power to your system.
 
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We had one tornado here in Michigan but it was south of me and just a baby compared to what you guys get Hitt. Other than that, just rain, rain, and more rain. Like FC said, gonna need an ark pretty soon just to get to the mailbox. Glad I live on a sandhill and don't have to worry about water in our basement. Water goes straight through the grass and back into the water table. But yeah, you guys are getting hammered, hopefully everyone keeps safe.
 
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Finally got our electric back this morning. Now sure how I'm going to go as far as trying to get power to the house via generator. He said something that was really discouraging but totally understandable. The generator does a much better job of dealing with power cords. It's capable of handling 70 amps standalone and you can balance the load easily by attaching to the various receptacles. However, you only have 30 amps connecting to the house wiring.

Other than the mess I create with extension cords, I can balance everything to run my refrig., freezer, internet and tv. The only issue I'm facing that really bothers me is the water and hot water issue.

That being said, I really need to do some research of what circuits go where. I texted him and told him to hold of thinking bout my situation until I do some work. I thought the Water pump and oil fired water heater were powered from the 100 amp sub-panel in my basement. After looking around a bit I'm not sure. It looks like the water pump might be powered via a circuit running to a bath. The hot water heater is tied to the sub-panel but the original electric water heater may have been running to the main panel.

I added a 4 gang box at some point in my shop area to power wood working tools. There was wire available near the water heater when I decided to put in the outlets covered with wire nuts that is obviously running to the main. I'm thinking that was the circuit the water heater was attached to. If I'm right on both of those, the need to run two new lines from the basement is eliminated making the entire job much easier.

I can either have him do an interlock or add a sub-panel with only the circuits I need to get juiced when power is out. I can keep the freezer which is in the garage on an extension cord into the generator removing that from the load and even if I had to give something else up to make it more user friendly, an extension cord into the LR wouldn't be that big a deal. I just need to look at the situation a bit closer so I can think it out clearly but writing this helped me formulate a mental picture of what I need to determine. Sometime writing down my thoughts makes it easier to clear the confusion in my mind, sorry. lol
 

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    I don’t really understand the 70 amp versus the 30 amp capacity of the generator. If it’s capacity is 70 amp then it must be about a 15kw generator. I might be looking at it the wrong way but if it’s a 220v generator then you would feed each side of your buss on the breaker panel with 110v. Couldn’t you just switch the breakers in the panel so that the ones you want powered by the generator would land equally on the buss bars to balance the load. Of course I would still get the interlock for safety reasons. One other thing to consider is what your generator is rated at for peak output and continuous output.
     

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    I believe what he was saying is what you are saying, It's something like an 8750 peak, 7000 continuous. With three duplex receptacles- two fused at 20 amps and the third at 30 amps. He made the comment that he didn't understand why they set them up that way. I'm assuming because it limits what can be fed to the panel. I change light bulbs and occasionally replace receptacles and track down GFCI failures. I have added two four gang outlets to the panels. One for where they were installing FIOS and one on an existing circuit in the basement that I believe the original electric water heater was one.
     

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    If it’s 8750 peak then you’ve got a 40 amp max generator and at 7000 continuous then it’s a little over 31. Take the watts divided by the voltage and that gives you the amperage. So 8750 divided by 220 equals 39.77. No matter how you run the cords you’re not going to get more than that. I would guess that the 30 amp receptacle is a 220v twist lock. That’s what most generators have. You should have bought a Miller Bobcat 250 welder. It’s 12000 watts and you’d have a welder too.
     
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    Man you snus folks are all manly and powertooly and weathery.

    No wonder no one um, thinks I use snus. I have gotten the occasional "You have a bit of chocolate on your lip" comment, but that's about it. Usually from the docs.

    When I went in to get my gigantic "gum infection but I did not know it" tooth infection, I had some snus in my mouth. I forgot about it. The doc was like, "Um you maybe have some dried blood in the corner of your mouth." I was like, "Yup."

    I was mainly like "Yup" because it's BANNED. BANNED at my work. Most people don't even know what snus is. I was not going to cop to it at a MEDICAL appointment, like ever.

    Almost every time I say I quit smoking to a cowoker they say "Oh my god you aren't vaping are you?"

    And I say, "I think you'd notice, right? Oh let me just wipe away this bit of chocolate on my lip."

    Am gonna call the husband soon and ask about my "F ALL OF IT" strategy for the meeting.… Sigh.

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    I wrote a response Hitt but must not have posted it. You're idea is good except I don't have $5k sitting around right now, I know how heavy the current generator is, I can't imagine moving around something 2.5 times heavier and, more importantly, You're not living around here to fix it when it's not working. lol
     

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    They aren't cheap but Miller Electric is offering a $700 rebate on them right now. They also make and offroad running gear to make it much easier to move around. Of course that's not cheap either. The kohler engines they have on them have been almost bulletproof. We've got around 40-50 in our rental fleet.
     
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    Yeah, I get it Hitt, I just can't see spending that much money for an occurrence that happen so infrequently. I don't mind the power cord thing but I do mind the loss of water and hot water.

    After the electric came on the hot water didn't on Friday and wouldn't reset. I had the problem over a month ago and it was running pretty well but I had to reset it a couple times then it wouldn't reset. Of course he came in and it fired right up. Apparently the igniter was intermittently failing. Only a $250 part. Can't wait to get that bill. Can't complain too much though as I replaced the electric water heater in '02 and the thing has run maint free until now. Replacing the old one lowered my electric bill by $60 a month and my oil bill for the entire year has been running $400-500 for H/W and supplementing my fireplace heat. It waas one of the best investments I ever made in a depreciating asset.
     

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    I understand Roth. I was joking more than anything. However, if you ever go to replace your generator and want more power then you might consider it. If the part was 250 for the water heater, then how much would a new water heater be? I replaced mine five years ago or so and spent maybe 400 on the new one and installed it myself with shark bite hoses and fittings.
     
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    I had a natural gas Generac standby generator quoted out a few years back. Enough juice to run my whole house, but no other fanciness like battery backup/automatic start/automatic interlock. Came out to $5200, no welder though...

    Governor declared a state of emergency back in the county I grew up where my Mom and Mother in law still live. Flooding like crazy. They've got roads washing out and feet of standing water in fields. Apparently they've only gotten like 30% of crops planted when they normally have over 70% by now. Crazy wet this year for sure.

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    I'm starting to feel like the grim reaper. We took off Saturday morning for Laconia NH and I found out my friend who arranges this trip's Dad and Mom weren't going to make it. He had been having health issues the last month and I found out he had liver failure, like one of my two remaining best friends had before he passed. Then last week he went into kidney failure also, just like my friend. He had gained 10 pounds overnight and was sent to the hospital the day before.

    Well we got up there and went for a ride from where we were staying into Laconia and walked around for awhile. He called his uncle and found out he wasn't doing well and they were planning on moving him from the local hospital in Potsdam to Rochester, NY on Monday. My friend decided he'd head to NY the next morning to be with his Mom and drive her to the new hospital Monday. He only made it to yesterday and never woke up again.

    His parents were part of the reason I enjoyed the trip last year. I had met them a few years ago when Jordan brought them to poker when they were visiting and anytime they were in the area they'd show up at our game so I got to know them pretty well. I actually left a day early as I just wasn't enjoying myself under the circumstances.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that Roth. You have had to deal with a lot of death.

    My oldest daughter graduated college and got a job working for the college as operations manager for their summer tent theater program. Her contract goes until July 21. I warned here about getting involved with anyone since she was coming home after the contract is over. She didn't listen and starting dating this guy with some serious depression problems. He tried to hang himself a few days ago. I want her to get away from him but she thinks she needs to save him. I'm not comfortable with her being around him.
     
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