Why all the hate for cloud chasers?

[stylemessiah]

So cloud chasers are 'tools" good to know. Also what is a "ruler boy?" never heard that before... like ever. So yeah...

There are many reasons why cloud chasing is bonkers to me, here are my top 2, one of which ive already mentioned

1) Your average vaper is someone who has probably smoked for decades, and just wants to vape to stay off the smokes and regain some health. They are usually conscious of health bodies and goverments looking for any excuse to shut this down, so they dont smoke where smoking is frowned upon. And they dont fricking look to blow huge clouds of vapor to draw attention to themselves and endanger every vapers current freedom to vape

2) As i have said many times, and as yet not even the most ardent cloud chaser has ever even tried to rebut:

Its insane to me to want to try and cram as much vapor into decades old smoke damaged lungs, it goes against the average vapers motivation to vape: harm minimisation. I will never get the point of cloud chasing on this point alone.

Makes me think that a number of these cloud chasers are younger people who have never smoked, and therefore in my opinion shouldnt be vaping, as that would be foolish to start using nicotine without a predisposed addiction to it, and b, these people are endangering the freedom of people who actually smoked and are just trying to harm minimise. So they're actually worse than the people who were smokers, but now for some irrational reason want to cram all the vapor they can into compromised lungs...its irrational/insane either way i see it.

Ive been known to try and poison cloud chasing events at my local b&m by trying to enter my Lemo 2 with a 1.1 ohm coil at 18w in the comp

Boys and rulers....ruler boys, mines bigger than yours. <- bit surprised (pleasantly actually!) i had to point that out

Here are two examples of extreme ruler boys, and people who probably shouldnt even be vaping, look barely old enough to have even put the hard yards in as a smoker





I have zero time for ruler boys in any area of life.

Im 45, i smoked for 35 of those years. I vape to not smoke, to harm minimise, not to look cool. My clouds alarm no one and attract no attention from authorities. Sometimes its not just about you.

 

[Stewart Jarvis-Grove]

I have been vaping almost 4 years now, and I have yet to see anyone "chucking clouds" in public, other than inside a vape shop. I have no doubt it happens....but I have not witnessed it yet.

Same here, not seen it around these parts other than in a vape shop

 

[stylemessiah]

Same here, not seen it around these parts other than in a vape shop

Regularly seen, unfortunately, in my city, as has been mentioned to me when going to visit and advocate at health bodies determined to lobby government to shut us down. They never mention the average vapers, they only see the obnoxious tools blowing clouds.

I dont just make it up people.

 

[jlb]

I'm not what you would call a cloud chaser, but I do mostly drip. Kinda have to at work because breaks are sometimes hard to come by and I need my nic fast. I try to keep my distance from people so I don't offend them with my normaly sweet smelling vape. Most are cool with it and usually try to name the flavor I'm using that day if they catch a little downwind. But then there are the others. I had a woman walk out about the time I exhaled and the tiniest bit went in her direction. She started waving her hand in front of her face as if I had just cut one. So (having worked with her for years) I turned and went to sit by her. As she lit up, I made the same gesture and said "yeah, that smells much better than strawberries". I guess it's true that people fear what they dont understand.

 

[Allison Cloud]

There are many reasons why cloud chasing is bonkers to me, here are my top 2, one of which ive already mentioned

1) Your average vaper is someone who has probably smoked for decades, and just wants to vape to stay off the smokes and regain some health. They are usually conscious of health bodies and goverments looking for any excuse to shut this down, so they dont smoke where smoking is frowned upon. And they dont fricking look to blow huge clouds of vapor to draw attention to themselves and endanger every vapers current freedom to vape

2) As i have said many times, and as yet not even the most ardent cloud chaser has ever even tried to rebut:

Its insane to me to want to try and cram as much vapor into decades old smoke damaged lungs, it goes against the average vapers motivation to vape: harm minimisation. I will never get the point of cloud chasing on this point alone.

Makes me think that a number of these cloud chasers are younger people who have never smoked, and therefore in my opinion shouldnt be vaping, as that would be foolish to start using nicotine without a predisposed addiction to it, and b, these people are endangering the freedom of people who actually smoked and are just trying to harm minimise. So they're actually worse than the people who were smokers, but now for some irrational reason want to cram all the vapor they can into compromised lungs...its irrational/insane either way i see it.

Ive been known to try and poison cloud chasing events at my local b&m by trying to enter my Lemo 2 with a 1.1 ohm coil at 18w in the comp

Boys and rulers....ruler boys, mines bigger than yours. <- bit surprised (pleasantly actually!) i had to point that out

Here are two examples of extreme ruler boys, and people who probably shouldnt even be vaping, look barely old enough to have even put the hard yards in as a smoker





I have zero time for ruler boys in any area of life.

Im 45, i smoked for 35 of those years. I vape to not smoke, to harm minimise, not to look cool. My clouds alarm no one and attract no attention from authorities. Sometimes its not just about you.

I can provide a rebuttal to that easily. Not everyone has damaged lungs. I only smoked for 5 years. My lungs feel fine. Also I know 4 cloud chasers. But why should clear hatred come just because you do not understand something? That is what I am confused about. Using insults such as "ruler boy" and "tools" as a general term for cloud chasers. I do not understand why people like to watch sports. It seems pointless to me. But I never talk poorly of the ones who do.

And I can say that, 100% of the cloud chasers I know smoked for about as long as myself.

And you seem to see people blowing big clouds in public places all the time. I find that interesting, as I have never seen it. Not one time. Excluding the vape shops. And even then, when it gets too cloudy they will open the door and people stop for a bit. Very respectful of one another. So maybe it is not cloud chasers. maybe it is just where you live?

And on to the "people who have not put in the years as a smoker should not vape." Or what ever. Who made you the judge over who should and should not vape? So what is they never smoked before? What does it matter? Do you want them to go smoke? Would you rather them smoke for X number of years first? Just because they did not have vaping when you started smoking means that they no one should get to start out vaping? Can I ask why you started smoking? Just wondering? Because they stuff still goes on today. And I would much rather people start vaping before they smoke one time. But maybe it is a craze idea to care about people's health.

 

[Toronnah]

Cloud chasing in your home is not the same as doing so in public.

Personally I don't do it nor do I have any issue with others doing it, but there is a degree of attention seeking behavior when doing so in public.

 

[motordude]

I make fun of everything and everyone, especially myself!
If I offended anyone, so be it.
I don't take anything serious really.
Live your life your way, as long as you're not hurting anyone physically.

This is the Internet!!​

 

[Allison Cloud]

And another thing. It has nothing to do with "looking cool." That is an unfunded assumption. And I think because out of the two of us, I am the "tool ruler boy whatever" cloud chaser, I know more about it. It is about doing it, that is it. It is like playing a game. I do not play a game to be better than everyone else, or to be like "hey everyone look at my high score!" I play it because I like ti play games. If I can beat someone, cool. If I do something that is really cool and want to show my friends, I will. But I do not do it for those reasons. I do it because I like to do it. Same with cloud chasing. I like to blow clouds. Easy as that. I have not heard ONE cloud chaser/ Trick-type-person say they do it for any other reason.

 

[herb]

And on to the "people who have not put in the years as a smoker should not vape." Or what ever. Who made you the judge over who should and should not vape? So what is they never smoked before? What does it matter? Do you want them to go smoke? Would you rather them smoke for X number of years first? Just because they did not have vaping when you started smoking means that they no one should get to start out vaping? Can I ask why you started smoking? Just wondering? Because they stuff still goes on today. And I would much rather people start vaping before they smoke one time. But maybe it is a craze idea to care about people's health.

You specifically asked why do people think vaping is bad if you never smoked before , you were told the reasons why .

Whats up with the outburst above , i don't know who you are responding to.

 

[herb]

I make fun of everything and everyone, especially myself!
If I offended anyone, so be it.
I don't take anything serious really.
Live your life your way, as long as you're not hurting anyone physically.

This is the Internet!!​

Very well said , i am the exact same way , some people just have ZERO sense of humor lol, i don't care for those types as nothing i say is serious actually .

At least not on these forums.

 

[Allison Cloud]

You specifically asked why do people think vaping is bad if you never smoked before , you were told the reasons why .

Whats up with the outburst above , i don't know who you are responding to.

It was in a reply to stylemessia. It seems I did not quote. my bad. But I was not given a well founded reason. I agree that the government look for reasons to do stupid things. But taking away vaping? No... And I would much rather someone start vaping than I would them start smoking. I do no not understand why anyone would not. Other than the "Well you are not as hard core as I am. I smoked for X years. I have a real reason." To that I say. "Then why did you start smoking in the first place? What was your reason then?" Everyone had to start at some point. And to thing that no one will ever start smoking again is naive. But it they could start on vaping. That is much more logical. So what if some cloud chasers did not smoke in the past? if they are over 18 what does it matter to anyone else what they do with their bodies? I mean, drinking and smoking are still around. The only way it would become illegal is if the tabaco company's pay a lot of money to the government for it to be so. And then they will not need a reason. They will make them up. Much like what happens with the Pharmaceutical companys paying to have something illegal. So thinking that it will become illegal just because some people, over 18, who never smoked before would get into it and be a cloud chaser is a bit unfounded. That is just someone who did not start smoking. because if they could not vape, they would smoke. Dollars to donuts. 1 in 100, at least, would have started smoking.

And I am not really sure it is an "Outburst." It is a conversation. I can be a rather jaded and detached person when I feel as though someone is being passive aggressive. I tend to detach all emotions and speak purely logically. To avoid an "out burst." As using emotions to prove a point only works in the court room.

 

[stylemessiah]

I can provide a rebuttal to that easily. Not everyone has damaged lungs. I only smoked for 5 years. My lungs feel fine. Also I know 4 cloud chasers. But why should clear hatred come just because you do not understand something? That is what I am confused about. Using insults such as "ruler boy" and "tools" as a general term for cloud chasers. I do not understand why people like to watch sports. It seems pointless to me. But I never talk poorly of the ones who do.

And I can say that, 100% of the cloud chasers I know smoked for about as long as myself.

And you seem to see people blowing big clouds in public places all the time. I find that interesting, as I have never seen it. Not one time. Excluding the vape shops. And even then, when it gets too cloudy they will open the door and people stop for a bit. Very respectful of one another. So maybe it is not cloud chasers. maybe it is just where you live?

And on to the "people who have not put in the years as a smoker should not vape." Or what ever. Who made you the judge over who should and should not vape? So what is they never smoked before? What does it matter? Do you want them to go smoke? Would you rather them smoke for X number of years first? Just because they did not have vaping when you started smoking means that they no one should get to start out vaping? Can I ask why you started smoking? Just wondering? Because they stuff still goes on today. And I would much rather people start vaping before they smoke one time. But maybe it is a craze idea to care about people's health.

If you only smoked for 5 years, please use vaping as a means to completely get off nicotine, you have not had decades to become used to or addicted to nicotine.

Some people i know have used vaping to completely quit after decades of smoking. sadly i likely wont be one of them. To give you some background for my stance on vaping, i was given a cigarette by a family friend who was supposed to be looking after me as she thought it would calm me down as i have aspergers and she thought i was a handful and it distracted me from what was actually going on in the house with family members. So i actually didnt choose to become a smoker. Cigarettes were fed to me. Id do anything to be free of nicotine, but sadly i dont think that will ever happen. Also sadly i have no recollection of what life was like before nicotine. You are not that far into it, compared to me and still have a choice. From the way i was introduced to smoking, i have always believed, and put forward when a group of us were coming up with things with regards to advocacy, that at least our group (all multi-decades long smokers) that i didnt want any new members to the nicotine club with vaping as a pathway. I view it as a harm minimisation tool, purely that. If i were you, id try and approach it as a way to completely quit, since as you say you only smoked for a relatively short time, rather than embracing cramming as much vapor and nicotine as you can into your lungs.

 

[stylemessiah]

And another thing. It has nothing to do with "looking cool." That is an unfunded assumption. And I think because out of the two of us, I am the "tool ruler boy whatever" cloud chaser, I know more about it. It is about doing it, that is it. It is like playing a game. I do not play a game to be better than everyone else, or to be like "hey everyone look at my high score!" I play it because I like ti play games. If I can beat someone, cool. If I do something that is really cool and want to show my friends, I will. But I do not do it for those reasons. I do it because I like to do it. Same with cloud chasing. I like to blow clouds. Easy as that. I have not heard ONE cloud chaser/ Trick-type-person say they do it for any other reason.

I would counter with:

Can you stay off cigarettes without blowing huge clouds? Yes

So what is the reason for blowing huge clouds if its not to stay off cigarettes?

Is it to reduce the harm minimisation by cramming as much vapor into your lungs as possible? No
Is it to get attention? Most likely

Id never sacrifice my health, now that im actively trying to improve it, for attention.

As for the "if they are over 18 what does it matter to anyone else what they do with their bodies?" angle (usually spoken by someone who thinks every drug ever designed should be decriminalised), the newspapers here are littered with examples of that thinking each week, usually with an attached obituary. Theres freedom and theres regulated safety (which is where vaping is headed, and probably rightly so), and then theres stupid, and sometimes people choose stupid.

 

[David Wolf]

I can provide a rebuttal to that easily. Not everyone has damaged lungs. I only smoked for 5 years. My lungs feel fine. Also I know 4 cloud chasers. But why should clear hatred come just because you do not understand something? That is what I am confused about. Using insults such as "ruler boy" and "tools" as a general term for cloud chasers. I do not understand why people like to watch sports. It seems pointless to me. But I never talk poorly of the ones who do.

And I can say that, 100% of the cloud chasers I know smoked for about as long as myself.

And you seem to see people blowing big clouds in public places all the time. I find that interesting, as I have never seen it. Not one time. Excluding the vape shops. And even then, when it gets too cloudy they will open the door and people stop for a bit. Very respectful of one another. So maybe it is not cloud chasers. maybe it is just where you live?

And on to the "people who have not put in the years as a smoker should not vape." Or what ever. Who made you the judge over who should and should not vape? So what is they never smoked before? What does it matter? Do you want them to go smoke? Would you rather them smoke for X number of years first? Just because they did not have vaping when you started smoking means that they no one should get to start out vaping? Can I ask why you started smoking? Just wondering? Because they stuff still goes on today. And I would much rather people start vaping before they smoke one time. But maybe it is a craze idea to care about people's health.

You sure are outgoing online, no social anxiety here haha See what you started? In the end though I think everyone will have a better understanding of those who do and those who don't cloud chase. But this thread watch is gonna take more than one bag of popcorn for sure..

 

[edyle]

So I am rather new to vaping. I started about 6 months ago to quit smoking, it worked. But I recently got into cloud chasing. Because I like it and my friends do it. But It seems like every where I go, every video I watch, every website I go to is full of utter hatred toward cloud chasers? I know the internet is a very toxic place. But some groups of people seem to be "cool" to hate. And cloud chasers are on that list. And they seem to get the hate from non vapers and vapers alike. Can anyone tell me why this is? I mean, do the clouds in some way hurt people? Or is it more un-founded hate that has no real basis other than "It's cool to hate on them!" Such as most hate is.

There's lots of things people can do in private or away from other people without anybody caring, but when they do it in public it can get on people's nerves.

Two people on a bus, smooching away aren't hurting anybody, but some people are going like "Get a room already!"

When people see something that looks like smoke, it can trigger an unconscious alarm bell; where there's smoke there's fire.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with cloudchasing, I've been known to make my own little weather systems myself, however it seems to have attracted quite a few douchebags that ruin vaping for other people.... A bar I used to go to would allow vaping, not a problem with it, one night two douchebags came in and fogged up the place with 1 or 2 drips, ever since then vaping has been banned there and now I no longer go to that bar....

Not only did they make all vapers look bad they ruined my night...

Have some respect!!!!

 

[Allison Cloud]

If you only smoked for 5 years, please use vaping as a means to completely get off nicotine, you have not had decades to become used to or addicted to nicotine.

Some people i know have used vaping to completely quit after decades of smoking. sadly i likely wont be one of them. To give you some background for my stance on vaping, i was given a cigarette by a family friend who was supposed to be looking after me as she thought it would calm me down as i have aspergers and she thought i was a handful and it distracted me from what was actually going on in the house with family members. So i actually didnt choose to become a smoker. Cigarettes were fed to me. Id do anything to be free of nicotine, but sadly i dont think that will ever happen. Also sadly i have no recollection of what life was like before nicotine. You are not that far into it, compared to me and still have a choice. From the way i was introduced to smoking, i have always believed, and put forward when a group of us were coming up with things with regards to advocacy, that at least our group (all multi-decades long smokers) that i didnt want any new members to the nicotine club with vaping as a pathway. I view it as a harm minimisation tool, purely that. If i were you, id try and approach it as a way to completely quit, since as you say you only smoked for a relatively short time, rather than embracing cramming as much vapor and nicotine as you can into your lungs.

I have no desire to quit. I like it. Vaping was never a means to get off of it for me. Also addiction is relative. Someone could get just addicted as you are in a few months. Or someone could smoke for 60 years and never get as addicted as you are. I am trying to understand why you are using time as a factor in this? And why you seem to know someone elses addiction level. And we started smoking in the same way it seems. My cousin started giving them to me to help with my server anixity disorder. And I liked the way the smoked looked. And I never really cared much about my body when I was a kid. I never thought I would even live to be this old. So it did not seem to matter at the time. But I never wanted to get off it. See, not everyone thinks like you. And why would you use a generalized insult toward a group because they do not hold to the same beliefs as you? Some of us will be on nic until the day we die and we want it that way. And you can believe that if I come across someone who is having a hard time dealing with stress, I will talk to them about vaping. it is way better than other things they could turn to. And even if it was not, it is their life. They can decide on their own if they are an adult.

And I see that you keep talking about cramming it into my lungs. That is not really how it works. I just breath. It is like taking a deep breath. No discomfort or struggle at all. You make it sound so painful and forced. It is as natural as breathing. I mean, if you choke or something, it can be a bit annoying. But that is uncommon. And you can do that on a glass of water.

 

[EvilGenius]

well I am almost your age and I vape to quit smoking cigs and I cloud chase, whats the big deal? it keeps me off cigs and I enjoy it, if I were still vaping a 2.6 ohm coil I would probably be back at cigs, everyone has their own reasons and you should respect it, as far as the "kids" who cloud chase just because they think it's cool or vape for the same reason and people who never smoked cigs want to vape because they also think its cool, I am not fond of these people either and ESPECIALLY all the pot head idiots who use ecig devices to get high, actually i hate pot heads and druggies period

There are many reasons why cloud chasing is bonkers to me, here are my top 2, one of which ive already mentioned

1) Your average vaper is someone who has probably smoked for decades, and just wants to vape to stay off the smokes and regain some health. They are usually conscious of health bodies and goverments looking for any excuse to shut this down, so they dont smoke where smoking is frowned upon. And they dont fricking look to blow huge clouds of vapor to draw attention to themselves and endanger every vapers current freedom to vape

2) As i have said many times, and as yet not even the most ardent cloud chaser has ever even tried to rebut:

Its insane to me to want to try and cram as much vapor into decades old smoke damaged lungs, it goes against the average vapers motivation to vape: harm minimisation. I will never get the point of cloud chasing on this point alone.

Makes me think that a number of these cloud chasers are younger people who have never smoked, and therefore in my opinion shouldnt be vaping, as that would be foolish to start using nicotine without a predisposed addiction to it, and b, these people are endangering the freedom of people who actually smoked and are just trying to harm minimise. So they're actually worse than the people who were smokers, but now for some irrational reason want to cram all the vapor they can into compromised lungs...its irrational/insane either way i see it.

Ive been known to try and poison cloud chasing events at my local b&m by trying to enter my Lemo 2 with a 1.1 ohm coil at 18w in the comp

Boys and rulers....ruler boys, mines bigger than yours. <- bit surprised (pleasantly actually!) i had to point that out

Here are two examples of extreme ruler boys, and people who probably shouldnt even be vaping, look barely old enough to have even put the hard yards in as a smoker





I have zero time for ruler boys in any area of life.

Im 45, i smoked for 35 of those years. I vape to not smoke, to harm minimise, not to look cool. My clouds alarm no one and attract no attention from authorities. Sometimes its not just about you.

 

[Allison Cloud]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with cloudchasing, I've been known to make my own little weather systems myself, however it seems to have attracted quite a few douchebags that ruin vaping for other people.... A bar I used to go to would allow vaping, not a problem with it, one night two douchebags came in and fogged up the place with 1 or 2 drips, ever since then vaping has been banned there and now I no longer go to that bar....

Not only did they make all vapers look bad they ruined my night...

Have some respect!!!!

I'm sorry to hear that =/ really blows. And I like the way you said that. It is not cloud chasers. It was some people who so happend to be cloud chasers AND douche bags. I am sure people like that are the reason I can not vape in Walmart and the like. I hope you find a new place to go!

EDIT: No pun intended on the "really blows." I was reading over it and it made me laugh when I saw what I said.

 

[Allison Cloud]

well I am almost your age and I vape to quit smoking cigs and I cloud chase, whats the big deal? it keeps me off cigs and I enjoy it, if I were still vaping a 2.6 ohm coil I would probably be back at cigs, everyone has their own reasons and you should respect it, as far as the "kids" who cloud chase just because they think it's cool or vape for the same reason and people who never smoked cigs want to vape because they also think its cool, I am not fond of these people either and ESPECIALLY all the pot head idiots who use ecig devices to get high, actually i hate pot heads and druggies period

So you hate someone because they do something that you do not agree with, for some reason, that does not hurt anyone? May I ask your reasoning for that? How it effects you?