Why all the hate for cloud chasers?

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I can agree with you on that. I am not a fan of apple. They have brainwashed the masses into thinking that more expensive = better.

In general more expensive is better, but not for those who would be duped in to what expensive should be.

I don't agree with Apple's pricing, computing, music models nor their marketing, but that did not stop me, a system administrator from buying a Dell Alienware Area 51 in 2015. It would not stop me from buying an $8,000 pair of B&W speakers if I had the money. There are some things that can only be appreciated if one has spent a lot of time shopping for the very best.
 

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Everyone has their hobbies that they put their money into when they have it. For me it is my computer/games. I do not really have any money to spear right now. But if I did I would drop 4k on it. As there is some new hardware out that I want. I do not "need" it. But that does not matter to me. I like power. I want to game in 4k locked at 80fps. lol

We all have our money. I WISH I could afford to drop 3-5k on a hobby. I would love that.
 

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In general more expensive is better, but not for those who would be duped in to what expensive should be.

I don't agree with Apple's pricing, computing, music models nor their marketing, but that did not stop me, a system administrator from buying a Dell Alienware Area 51 in 2015. It would not stop me from buying an $8,000 pair of B&W speakers if I had the money. There are some things that can only be appreciated if one has spent a lot of time shopping for the very best.

I do not really agree with that. I can build a better PC than anything on the market at a lower cost. There is a LOT of re branding in the PC world. Same specs, different package. And people pay the extra $100 for it, because it is the X760 and not the X740. It is a bit silly. And it applies to everything now days. I mean look at the Call of Duty games. They have just been a remake of Call Of Duty 4 for the past 6 years. Yet people keep playing for the new one.
 
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Inspired by the Mac/PC sub-argument in this thread, I did some pondering over the issue over dinner and after-time tonight on the disdain that shows up for some of the "cloud chaser" vaping subset.

What I'm seeing it boil down to is that there is a small group of vapers that are essentially ignorant or uncaring about the rest of the vaping population, and this group happens to be the ones that are the "Clouds, bruh!" type. They have absolutely no concern about the impression their actions will have for the rest of us. Age, the number of tatts or their clothing style and other classifiers aren't needing to be applied to this breed of cloud chaser - it's the attitude that sets them apart. And what makes them such a lightning rod for our criticism is that uncaring attitude. I think the vast majority of us here found vaping as a way to get off the cigs, and we are very protective of our "miracle" when it seems like these guys are doing just about everything under the sun to undermine the future viability of our avocation by their behaviors.

Therefore, I propose that we use a new definition for that group, in place of the "cloud chaser" moniker: Cloud Clowns

Our resident cloud chasers can then rest safely in their homes knowing that they will not be persecuted for the love of drawing large quantities of thick, luscious and delicious vapor.

Some of us keep trying to explain that. It is Obnoxious People, who also happen to Blow Clouds and yes there are many Ego ijits too.

Unfortunately people Jump into the thread, don't read back, and immediately become offended that Cloud chasers are being singled out.

HARDLY!!!!!

I'm pretty sure my RDA's and TFV4/X Cube II can keep up with most Casual Cloud chasers.
I Don't feel the need to Launch Clouds on a Bus - Yes Bad Ninja - Saw a video that captured a Squirrely kid that was just weird to say the least. Dude that made the Capture thought he was doing illicit, but just goes to show what can happen.

I do carry my D2 TC .33Ti setup Holstered out in public. I can, but don't cloud with it. I can also take milder hits and not billow around people. No one ever says anything about it.

Still looking for the Video I watched a few weeks ago. Interesting group of 4 young adult males having fun in a downtown shopping district. No sense describing until I can locate it.:cool:

It is all just perception and courtesy though. Some people just Are not and don't care.
Simply - it is not the what so much as the Who.:|
 
I use my systems for surfing the Internet, studying computer science and system administration. I also have a 10 core Dell T-410 server w 64 GB of RAM in it that runs 5 to 10 systems simultaneously in VMware vSphere. What one spend their money on is not always a hobby, but how they live their life, lifestyle, and/or job related. I don't plan on stopping what I like doing for a bunch of hippie liberals that came to power.

Vape On!
 
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I do not really agree with that. I can build a better PC than anything on the market at a lower cost. There is a LOT of re branding in the PC world. Same specs, different package. And people pay the extra $100 for it, because it is the X760 and not the X740. It is a bit silly. And it applies to everything now days. I mean look at the Call of Duty games. They have just been a remake of Call Of Duty 4 for the past 6 years. Yet people keep playing for the new one.


It's going to kill you but, I don't game... I hack my systems.
 
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Sometimes I hack together a database for fun, and I write programs to manage servers for fun, or learn a new programming language for fun, and then add it to my resume after I apply it to work.

Sometimes I study system security, fuzz using applications I've written, test system hardening. It's all what you do with your time.
 
Oh I don't know about that. I'm on my second Mac Mini and I love it. It cost me $600 two years ago, and it's just keeps on chugging without all the problems I had with Windows. I will say that I just totally loved Windows XP, until they stopped supporting it and "improved" it. I can't deal with what Windows is now at all. My Mac just works, without the self-fouling registry and all the security vulnerabilities. Theres a reason all the hackers and script kiddies cut their teeth on Windows.

If you were shopping for a secure system, you would have shopped for an Open BSD Unix system using MITRE CVE list.

Operating system, Vulnerabilities for last 3 Years
Open BSD: ZERO ZIP NADA
All variants of Linux: 1,175 matching records
All variants of Microsoft:1,312 matching records
All variants of Apple: 1,372 matching records

As you can see based on the US Govt database, Apple products are the least secure.
 
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You mean kernel level vulnerabilities?
Because software running on OpenBSD certainly has vulnerabilities.
And for the record, even though I hate Apple OS...It's BSD based.

I used the MITRE CVE database to pop ALL vulnerabilities for the terms on the left. Open BSD has none. I did not break it down to Free BSD, Red Hat Linux, etc., X-Windows or Kernel vulns, nor by application. I don't want to put an hour + in to a post nobody is going to pay me for.

Apple is Free BSD based, you are correct, but I think it is kernel only.

Microsoft updates take place the second Tuesday of every month and even out of band updates where needed. Apple does not do that and will let known vulns go for a year.
 
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You mean kernel level vulnerabilities?

Because software running on OpenBSD certainly has vulnerabilities.

And for the record, even though I hate Apple OS...It's BSD based.

I used the MITRE CVE database to pop ALL vulnerabilities for the terms on the left. Open BSD has none. I did not break it down to Free BSD, Red Hat Linux, etc., X-Windows or Kernel vulns, nor by application. I don't want to put an hour + in to a post nobody is going to pay me for.

Apple is Free BSD based, you are correct, but I think it is kernel only.

Microsoft updates take place the second Tuesday of every month and even out of band updates where needed. Apple does not do that and will let known vulns go for a year.
Apple uses the Mach version of the BSD kernel. Have to agree that they are slow to issue updates for vulnerabilities, but very rarely do the updates they do issue break systems or applications..
 
I'm not going to touch a kernel level argument abt anyone's products b/c I'm not a kernel hacker and don't know enough about all the different OSes.

The queries that I ran against the name "Microsoft" included all applications and all the OSes for the last 3yrs for all form factors: servers, desktops, phones, tablets...etc. I did the same for all of the searches. The facts are what they are...and I'm not a fanboy of any OS. I have had to support many, but never owned an Apple product.

I cannot say why Apple does not update their OSes more frequently other than the fact that it wasn't until recently they even pushed patches out to home purchased systems. They're a joke. The prices, the support, etc. An iPhone you might be able to talk me in to, but an Apple computer, NO.

We used a few of them in the biotech where I had to manage more than 70 systems and 20 servers in labs, server rooms and at desktops in Silicon Valley. I found the Apple products non expandable and expensive to update. That is fine if you have only 5 to 10 of them...but I would not run a business with them for word processing based tasks.
 

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Vulnerability numbers directly relate to user base, the more users the more vulnerabilities.

I have been using Linux and contributing to FOSS for about twenty years and I don't personally know a single person who runs any flavor of BSD. This is why there are so few vulnerabilities on NetBSD/OpenBSD, few (relative to worldwide OS distribution) run it so there is little interest in exploiting it.

Odd discussion considering the OP, but I'm always up for a bit of OT.
 
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and I'm not a fanboy of any OS. I have had to support many, but never owned an Apple product.
Ehh, fair enough. You pick the tool for the job: hammer for the nail, wrench for the bolt. I know what I need to get done and choose according to my experience. Not everyone sees it my way, and the same applies all around. I'm just sad that my rehabed Lenovo ThinkCenter I was running Ubuntu Desktop on suffered an undetermined hardware malady that has rendered it dead. :(
 
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Love it or hate it, tbh didn't read past the first page. Answer to OP, HONESTLY more than that the vapers I know in real life that vape high watts/blow clouds are kind of douchy people :( i.e, vape in mcdonalds, blow clouds in Walmart, ect.

I don't want to point fingers but, "if the shoe fits" :/

Don't get me wrong, some people have respect, but the few who don't are ruining it for "everybody"
 

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where I had to manage more than 70 systems and 20 servers in labs, server rooms and at desktops in Silicon Valley
A true story about calling our Corporate IT Support people:
Caller: "Yeah, our Internet service just went down for our entire location. We can't access anything on the corporate intranet or Internet at all."
Tech Support: "Sorry to hear that. Have you opened a Trouble Ticket on the Support website?"
Caller: "Uh, no. Our Internet service is down, remember?"
Tech Support: "Oh, okay. You can open a Trouble Ticket by sending an email to <email address>"
Caller: "Uh, our Internet service is DOWN."​
One of their IT people had changed the parameters of our firewalls and it was blocking ALL traffic. :facepalm:
 
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Where you getting 5-6 years? o_O

Guessing if the Detail fits the Tale........

Sadly read as - LOOKS to much like smoking.....Good reasoning :rolleyes:
and Clean Air:blink:

NYC Council Bans Public Vaping Because It Looks Too Much Like Smoking

That was quick: NY State moves to ban e-cigarettes indoors


I'm talking mostly private and some government. With alot of the government stuff I'm not sure. Like in my county smoking is banned in all parks, buildings and basicly everywhere except your home. I'm not sure about vaping but know I wouldn't risk it.

But in the private world vaping has been banned for year. The reason is everyone started using them everywhere and all the large employers just outright banned them. The largest employer in the area bans vaping anywhere on the property, you have to clock out and find a non-government owned place to vape. That includes your car BTW. The second largest employer, where I work, has banned vaping anywhere except smoking areas. Which is good as our place is too large to be able to clock out and vape and get back. Soon, this year at the latest stealth vapers sneaking a vape but leaving a smell, are going to have vaping banned outright for us. The third largest employer would be the various government level and they already can't vape.

So call it what you want but in effect we can't vape anywhere comfortably anywhere except at home or in our cars while driving. Most apartments are also smoke/vape free as well so ya gotta be a owner.

All of these rules have been in place 5+ years
 
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