3 to 5 k? I would like to see that shopping list. I doubt I have spent anywhere near that in 5 or 6 years of vaping.
It isn't difficult
I've already dropped over $500 this year...............and I don't really need anything.

3 to 5 k? I would like to see that shopping list. I doubt I have spent anywhere near that in 5 or 6 years of vaping.
I can agree with you on that. I am not a fan of apple. They have brainwashed the masses into thinking that more expensive = better.
In general more expensive is better, but not for those who would be duped in to what expensive should be.
I don't agree with Apple's pricing, computing, music models nor their marketing, but that did not stop me, a system administrator from buying a Dell Alienware Area 51 in 2015. It would not stop me from buying an $8,000 pair of B&W speakers if I had the money. There are some things that can only be appreciated if one has spent a lot of time shopping for the very best.
Inspired by the Mac/PC sub-argument in this thread, I did some pondering over the issue over dinner and after-time tonight on the disdain that shows up for some of the "cloud chaser" vaping subset.
What I'm seeing it boil down to is that there is a small group of vapers that are essentially ignorant or uncaring about the rest of the vaping population, and this group happens to be the ones that are the "Clouds, bruh!" type. They have absolutely no concern about the impression their actions will have for the rest of us. Age, the number of tatts or their clothing style and other classifiers aren't needing to be applied to this breed of cloud chaser - it's the attitude that sets them apart. And what makes them such a lightning rod for our criticism is that uncaring attitude. I think the vast majority of us here found vaping as a way to get off the cigs, and we are very protective of our "miracle" when it seems like these guys are doing just about everything under the sun to undermine the future viability of our avocation by their behaviors.
Therefore, I propose that we use a new definition for that group, in place of the "cloud chaser" moniker: Cloud Clowns
Our resident cloud chasers can then rest safely in their homes knowing that they will not be persecuted for the love of drawing large quantities of thick, luscious and delicious vapor.
I do not really agree with that. I can build a better PC than anything on the market at a lower cost. There is a LOT of re branding in the PC world. Same specs, different package. And people pay the extra $100 for it, because it is the X760 and not the X740. It is a bit silly. And it applies to everything now days. I mean look at the Call of Duty games. They have just been a remake of Call Of Duty 4 for the past 6 years. Yet people keep playing for the new one.
I don't hate cloud chasers. But I shun people who display bad manners, and I root for Darwin in the case of unsafe builds.
Oh I don't know about that. I'm on my second Mac Mini and I love it. It cost me $600 two years ago, and it's just keeps on chugging without all the problems I had with Windows. I will say that I just totally loved Windows XP, until they stopped supporting it and "improved" it. I can't deal with what Windows is now at all. My Mac just works, without the self-fouling registry and all the security vulnerabilities. Theres a reason all the hackers and script kiddies cut their teeth on Windows.
You mean kernel level vulnerabilities?
Because software running on OpenBSD certainly has vulnerabilities.
And for the record, even though I hate Apple OS...It's BSD based.
You mean kernel level vulnerabilities?
Because software running on OpenBSD certainly has vulnerabilities.
And for the record, even though I hate Apple OS...It's BSD based.
Apple uses the Mach version of the BSD kernel. Have to agree that they are slow to issue updates for vulnerabilities, but very rarely do the updates they do issue break systems or applications..I used the MITRE CVE database to pop ALL vulnerabilities for the terms on the left. Open BSD has none. I did not break it down to Free BSD, Red Hat Linux, etc., X-Windows or Kernel vulns, nor by application. I don't want to put an hour + in to a post nobody is going to pay me for.
Apple is Free BSD based, you are correct, but I think it is kernel only.
Microsoft updates take place the second Tuesday of every month and even out of band updates where needed. Apple does not do that and will let known vulns go for a year.
Ehh, fair enough. You pick the tool for the job: hammer for the nail, wrench for the bolt. I know what I need to get done and choose according to my experience. Not everyone sees it my way, and the same applies all around. I'm just sad that my rehabed Lenovo ThinkCenter I was running Ubuntu Desktop on suffered an undetermined hardware malady that has rendered it dead.and I'm not a fanboy of any OS. I have had to support many, but never owned an Apple product.
A true story about calling our Corporate IT Support people:where I had to manage more than 70 systems and 20 servers in labs, server rooms and at desktops in Silicon Valley
NYC - effective 2014
NYS - effective 2016(?)
Where you getting 5-6 years?
Guessing if the Detail fits the Tale........
Sadly read as - LOOKS to much like smoking.....Good reasoning
and Clean Air
NYC Council Bans Public Vaping Because It Looks Too Much Like Smoking
That was quick: NY State moves to ban e-cigarettes indoors