Why all the hate for cloud chasers?

[Vaslovik]

just to put the "security vulnerabilities" myth to rest.....Apple products are no more immune to hacks and virus attacks then PC.....the ONLY reason you see it more in PC, is due to market share...more PC's, mean more focus.

When I used Windows I got hacked and attacked all the time. Most of the malware out there seems geared for Windows. Since I've been on Macs not one incident. If that's because Windows is the target of choice it's enough for me. Call me a brainwashed Machead if you like, but I'm happy with my Mac.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Why just hate cloud chasers. Why not just hate everyone?

 

[WillieB69]

I don't hate cloud chasers although I tend to associate them more with the young, trendy, "in" crowd. That being said, I think I've inadvertently become a bit of a cloud chaser myself. When I moved up from the eGo batteries and cartomizers to an electronic mod and a subtank, my clouds got bigger. Then, after dealing with leaky Kangers, I went out and bought a smok TFV4 Mini Clapton kit. Even at just 30W and .75 ohms, this thing blows some insane clouds with the single Clapton coil in it. I'd hate to see what it would do with a 200W mod and the right dual coil build.

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[Muru]

It kind of saddens me to see how much we've all been brainwashed by the antz. I see Vapers saying the same nonsense as the antz: we don't know the longer effects....it is harmful....it is just to get off smoking...
Of course, that's what all the media says. In any research paper there will be a line about the unknown long term effects.
Why would vaping be more harmful than drinking coffee every day? Or a daily glass of wine? Why is it acceptable to start drinking alcohol, but not to start vaping unless you do it to stay away from tobacco?
I'll be completely honest: when I started vaping, I was just looking for a way to enjoy nicotine without the disadvantages of tobacco smoke. If we're all just vaping to quit smoking, and we believe vaping is harmful, then why don't more people ultimately quit vaping too? Where is our honesty to ourselves?

 

[Troll from behind]

Flashing doesn't harm anyone, but you don't see people doing it public either.
To call everyone, that has negative saying about vaping based on their personal experience antz kinda makes one wonder how ignorant some of these "advocates" really are.

 

[Muru]

I don't recall calling Vapers antz. I did say that people are saying about Vaping is the same stuff the antz have been brainwashing us with for years...
Nuance thingy....

 

[Troll from behind]

But you have taken the stance everything negative is a lie, be it invasions of personal space or possible negative long term effects?

 

[JMarca]

When I used Windows I got hacked and attacked all the time. Most of the malware out there seems geared for Windows. Since I've been on Macs not one incident. If that's because Windows is the target of choice it's enough for me. Call me a brainwashed Machead if you like, but I'm happy with my Mac.

I've been using Windows based systems in a production environment for almost 20 years at work. Obviously we don't meet the common user's day to day activities, alot of our work is done behind hardware firewalls, sandboxes and local networks.

I'm also a PC user at home. However, I can honestly say I've never once gotten a virus, spyware, malware, phishing attempts via e-mail and such sure, but I would think people would know better than to click these things by now.

I know the common theme among Mac users a few years ago was that you bought a Mac for security, since most hackers wouldn't bother them because of their small user base. In today's age that's no longer the case, there are lots of Mac users and even more hacks being released for not only OSX but also iOS.

See a few examples, there are dozens of these:
Gone in 2 minutes: Mac gets hacked first in contest
Swedish hacker finds 'serious' vulnerability in OS X Yosemite
New exploit leaves most Macs vulnerable to permanent backdooring

Not trying to burn or badmouth Mac users but that false sense of security, that was all it really was.

 

[Vaslovik]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I'm not the least interested in arguing it. I'm happy with my Mac.

 

[suprtrkr]

No unsafe builds here bro.

Delighted to hear. And actually, I try to get them straightened out first. I only root for Darwin if they persist.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I just read all 16 pages. Not 1 deleted post...not 1 mention of the cereal ISLE. Disgusting. We, as a community, are getting SOFT! You should all be ashamed.

 

[Allison Cloud]

I have been a PC nerd my entire life. I love on my PC. And I have never been hacked one time. I am wondering what you were doing to get hacked all the time? I even spend a lot of time in the deep net and have never been hacked.

 

[Allison Cloud]

And on the subject of PC vs mac. WHen it comes to raw power, I know that PC wins that. But that is not the only thing that matters to a lot of people. To me it is. I am a gammer. So to me PC is best. But to each their own!!! Live and let live!

 

[WattWick]

It kind of saddens me to see how much we've all been brainwashed by the antz. I see Vapers saying the same nonsense as the antz: we don't know the longer effects....it is harmful....it is just to get off smoking...
Of course, that's what all the media says. In any research paper there will be a line about the unknown long term effects.
Why would vaping be more harmful than drinking coffee every day? Or a daily glass of wine? Why is it acceptable to start drinking alcohol, but not to start vaping unless you do it to stay away from tobacco?
I'll be completely honest: when I started vaping, I was just looking for a way to enjoy nicotine without the disadvantages of tobacco smoke. If we're all just vaping to quit smoking, and we believe vaping is harmful, then why don't more people ultimately quit vaping too? Where is our honesty to ourselves?

I think it's a question of perspectives. There is no evidence of good or bad or lack of long term effects of vaping - since vaping has not been around 'long term'. We do not have the same amount of data collected about vaping as we have about i.e a lifetime worth of heavy smoking.

Some see this lack of evidence as evidence of no harm. Others see the lack of evidence simply as lack of evidence. The latter does not make anyone neither ANTZ nor a user of ANTZ rhetorics. It is not the same as saying "it is harmful" - although in some contexts it is used to imply just that. Coming from dedicated vapers, on the other hand, it may just mean "We don't know or can't claim to know because there is nothing to know - yet".

There is (IMO) nothing wrong with being a skeptic when faced with insufficient information. I don't see it as being an opponent of anything other than jumping to conclusions.

 

[Allison Cloud]

And really, if we start seeing that it is bad for you. We should do a bit of research into the studies. See who they are funded by. Because there are a LOT of fake studies out right now saying things about weed that have been proven to be false. As long as there is money to be lost, people will lie.

 

[DeAnna2112]

ANd still you are trying to come at me with this crap. No, I did not lie, as I have said. Second, did you just refuse to answer the fact that only a handful of people seem to have seen the acts you are talking about? Everyone else, like me, has only ever seen anything about it online. So maybe it is not cloud chasers that are the problem. Maybe it is the people where you live. Or maybe it is your disposition. Either way. You have yet to provided a grounded logic to this.

So you have gotten some feedback on why some have a negative perception of cloud chasers. You now know it's not because people just don't like cloud chasing...you now know it's not because some people don't blow big clouds therefore don't like others who blow big clouds. You now know it's because some cloud chasers are disrespectful toward others in public places when engaging in cloud chasing. So do you now understand where the negative perception of cloud chasers comes from and why?

The reason why disrespectful tootle puffers don't get this kind of push back is because their clouds are minimum and nowhere near as intrusive..doesn't make it right and they are out there...but let's be honest their clouds are small and gone within seconds unlike cloud chaser clouds. There are a lot of cloud chasers out there such as yourself and your friends who do not make waves, but not everybody practices cloud chasing as you and your friends do. When people say negative things about cloud chasers, these are the people they are referring to.

When you take a defensive position towards people who feel this way you are completely ignoring the facts for why they feel this way and the root cause of it. The root cause and blame is not you as a cloud chaser or many others, it's not those who have a negative perception, it's those who are disrespectful within the cloud chasing crowd who is to blame.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I have been a PC nerd my entire life. I love on my PC. And I have never been hacked one time. I am wondering what you were doing to get hacked all the time? I even spend a lot of time in the deep net and have never been hacked.

I think she means virus/malware.
I administrated a forum with 30,000 members and published a magazine on a PC with free anti virus software and never got hacked.
Hacked means someone took the time to infiltrate my computer.
Usually there's a big reason to even attract that kind of attention.

 

[Boden]

Other day at the vape shop;

Myself and a few other 40 somethings sitting on the couch sipping tea and chatting. Moderate vaping.

Young 20 something comes over and blows a fog bank that smells unplesantly of strawberry jam in a 'look at what I can do!' way.

Four annoyed 40 somethings look at 20 something in annoyed way.

One comments "was that necessary?"

20 something response "Don't hate on the clouds bro" then gets up and wanders off.

Consensus was; Annoying people will be annoying.

 

[JMarca]

I think she means virus/malware.
I administrated a forum with 30,000 members and published a magazine on a PC with free anti virus software and never got hacked.
Hacked means someone took the time to infiltrate my computer.
Usually there's a big reason to even attract that kind of attention.

Usually high value targets are computer systems with lots of personal information, no regular user is usually individually targeted unless it's personal (highly unlikely).

Another way and the most common way of getting malware or spyware is by clicking malicious links, opening webpages from shady sites or opening attachments or even jpegs in e-mail. In the year 2016 I would hope users knew better by now.

 

[mcclintock]

Clouds can be cool, but that stuff does seem to be taking over, or at least is more visible. It's like a store with mostly high prices on everything so when you see something reasonable, it looks like a deal. High power makes mid power look like low power, but it's not. And low power can be great but if you've been hitting some big thing, you're going to need time to "recalibrate" before there's any chance of being impressed by less.

Another aspect is like being into something for years, and then suddenly the new generation is making up new words and disparaging you for never hearing of it.

I kind of get that a better device with more output can be more effective at quitting smoking, but how much of that is really just the device being more impressive in itself, rather than what it does? New toy syndrome. No I'm not immune.

As to computers, I like PCs but Apple putting out less updates is inferior?? Seems better to me. I mean Microsoft has been working on Windows for 20 years, are they ever going to get it right? If they haven't yet, maybe they need to start over. As it is, seems their security model is like building a house with no walls, saying you're going to need curtains.