Why are so many vapers against themselves?
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There is something we need to wait for. Studies. More than we currently have (which is few). We can then promote them and get real information (not Bastille-storming) out there.
We can't go storming on Washington saying "I feel like it!" and have them keep saying "There aren't enough studies saying vaping is safe." That will just go 'round in circles...and WILL result in worse banning than we're even envisioning now.
I was actually in a smoke shop once that didn't allow you to eat food on their premises. People should have the right to eat their hogey in a smoke shop, right? Yawn.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I say again, personally I have know problem not expecting to vape in places that don't allow smoking. Should we be able to? Meeeh.... maybe, maybe not. It just seems that there are so many other reasons for the American people (yes vapers as well) to unite and set legislation straight, it is just a tad ridiculous that not being able to vape while eating a steak in a restaurant is an issue getting people ready to storm the gates.
There have actually been many studies conducted, as can be found in many places, such as CASAA. Studies on exhaled vapor, on cardiovascular effects, on cell cytotoxicity, on propylene glycol, on their effectiveness in getting people off of smoke, on and on. Waiting for the perfect study to come out, especially if we are waiting on the government or the antz to produce such a study, will only put us on the list of things to abolish.
How would you be able to enjoy the taste of the steak anyway with the taste of your cherry vape in your mouth?
few days ago? I saw a thread last night, but you're probably right about another one being on here a few days ago. Hell, I'll bet an ego that there will be 2 more of these before the week is over.
Personally, I just don't vape where I couldn't smoke unless otherwise told that I am welcome (standing outside an establishment, someone says "hey you can use that in here!" Etc.) or given expressed permission after asking.
My sense of entitlement ends there.
....and I feel like I'm a proud vaper. Have I been wrong all this time?
My sense of entitlement ends there.
....and I feel like I'm a proud vaper. Have I been wrong all this time?
Doesn't sound like you are "against yourself" or "lying down" to me.
I think part of this whole mess may be the whole "It's time to take our freedom back!" thing (yes, Blu, I'm talkin' to you...)
Personally, I adopted vaping for my own pleasure and for health (v. taking cigarettes back up again). It had NOTHING to do with making a huge stand and putting my hands on my hips in the middle of some store somewhere and swinging my...Wait, I don't have one of those. I guess I'll just say, swinging my Smoktech around. (It's times like this that I wish ovaries could swing, but I digress.)
But Steven Dorf (is that how you spell his name? Both first and last?) and that whole business about how "it doesn't affect other people!" and "It's time to take our freedom back, dagnabbit!" hypnotized people into thinking, "Oh. This means it's going to be the 70s again and we can breathe and blow nic anywhere and everywhere. Schools...hospitals...funerals...WOO HOOOOO!"
And we respectful people are supposed to be the gullible ones? Sheesh. That whole campaign turned people's minds in the time it takes to snap a pair of fingers.
I don't require the "right" to vape in stores or restaurants. I just...don't. I haven't since about 1988-ish (I think). It was always my own habit and I always dealt with that. Like an adult.
I never expected anybody else to accommodate that habit. Why the hell should they? For me it was never about being able to blow clouds during my kids' spring concert or something.
"Nanny state" indeed. That insult gets thrown about quite a lot, but what would you call a generation (or a few of them) of people who decide, "Oh, NOW I know what I want. So I'm going to get it no matter what...so there! Take that, "them!" (Because nobody ever seems to know whom, exactly, "they" are...sometimes, the very loose and indefinable title "the government" is thrown in for authenticity...often, the FDA is mentioned, willy-nilly and occasionally inaccurately). "The whole world needs to change FOR ME." That's less childish than the accusation of "wanting" (oh please) to be "nanny"-stated? (ETA: There *are* level heads around here who *do* know quite a bit about how the FDA works, its history, current practices, etc. and who are CASAA members and are very level-headed, this obviously is directed not toward you but toward the more reactionary/pushy among us...including the OP.)
No, it's just contrary to what you want and so the insults and threats come in...nice job. What was all that about "freedoms" again? "Heck, you're free to do ANYTHING you choose...as long as it's exactly in line with what I, personally, want." Erm...
What if we don't all feel this way? And what if we're not all paranoid (sorry) enough to believe that "if they relegate vaping to smoking rules...well then by God they'll be taking away Mom, apple pie and the right to breathe air next!"?
What if we're just trying to be, you know...adults? Self-sufficient, self-driven, self-accommodating (without whining loudly enough for people to say "Oh, okay already, just do it, Christ") adults who take responsibility for ourselves and our own habits?
Gosh I'm sick of the raging, finger-pointing, strawmanning, and vague, unrealistic threats ("Pretty soon they'll outlaw paper airplanes!") based on other people trying to force me to do what they want. What about that makes you better than ANTZ?
If we want to join CASAA, we will. If we want to take a stand in some specific arena (colleges were recently re-hashed), we will. If we don't, we won't. But the kindergarten tactics undertaken here by some to threaten, frighten or humiliate us into "doing something!!!!" won't be the deciding factor, at least not among those of us who like to think for ourselves. Period.
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Smokers are the only ones left for the populace to spend their saved up hate and prejudice on.
So the timid among us have learned to cower and feel unworthy.
Telling someone they can't vape because it looks like smoking is every bit as logical as telling someone they can't get on a plane because they look Arabic. It's profiling, plain and simple. And it's offensive.
So the timid among us have learned to cower and feel unworthy.
Telling someone they can't vape because it looks like smoking is every bit as logical as telling someone they can't get on a plane because they look Arabic. It's profiling, plain and simple. And it's offensive.
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Thank you. Checking this out now. Very helpful, I appreciate it.
This is an issue I've been thinking quite a lot about lately. Basically, if smoking bans are in place due to the dangers cigarette smoke poses to others (which they are, at least in rhetoric), then vaping shouldn't be a problem as it does not pose those dangers. Thus, while somebody might take offense to me vaping (due to it looking like smoke, the stuff I vape barely has any smell) it should be compared to me taking offense to someone having a hair style, clothes, general appearance I don't like, or wearing a perfume I abhor (more serious than "it looks like smoke" in my opinion). I get over myself and deal with it. It's my problem, not the problem of the person I'm offended by, and that's how my vaping should be taken by others. If I treat vaping like smoking I will perpetuate the view that vaping IS smoking. On the other hand, legal and other matters regarding vaping are still under discussion and if I'm obnoxious about it, or am interpreted as obnoxious, I might give fuel to the forces that want to ban vaping. I might also fuel those same fires if I'm too careful with where and when I vape. While policies of businesses are different from laws, the same issues pretty much apply. It's a difficult balancing, and I've certainly not found my footing yet. I certainly wouldn't cape in a restaurant, unless it's a bar/diner, but I will vape in the bars/clubs I go to, in my office, I vape without letting out any vapour if I'm taking a longish bus ride, and I even smoke during lectures (it's at university and I'm the teacher - no one's ever complained or shown any signs of disaproval, guess that's a benefit of being in a position of authority).
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Not near as disgusting for me who has to listen to someone scraping the plate with their knife & fork between each cut of noisy chewing, let alone watching the juices roll of the patrons chin. I can't stand the sound of people eating, slurping, scraping... But I don't try to ban them. I tolerate them putting things in their mouths that smells and looks disgusting to me.
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