Why can't I give up the vile weed? (A long one)

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daveesl

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I stopped smoking several times, but as I have written in another thread, the nicotine stimulant for me is actually a positive health issue. When I would stop, I'd get sick (whole other thread on that one). However, what has made the transition for me to switch to e-cigs from analog was multi-step and multi-reasoned. I began smoking over 40 years ago.

First, I switched to the cheapest, crap cigarette I could buy and I refused to go back to the quality brands. That reduced the number of cigarettes I smoked, while still getting the nicotine.

Then my wife and I made up our minds that we would no longer smoke inside the house. That helped to reduce the amount that I smoked, as Florida in the summer is pretty darned hot and humid, so even though we'd go outside to smoke one of the nasty cigs, I was smoking less and less of the actual cigarette, because it was so miserable sitting outside in the heat.

I knew I could not fully stop smoking, as my body actually needs a stimulant/vaso-restrictor like nicotine and caffeine. At the same time, my wife needed to stop due to her having high blood pressure. No way she would be able to stop as long as she could smell cigarette smoke on me, so I was in quite the quandry. Nicotine patches and gum simply are not a viable alternative for me.

When I found e-cigs, I was amazed at the similarity to cigarettes. I may still smoke 3-5 cigarettes per day, simply because I'm using up the remains of my last bit of tobacco, but I have found that I really don't like the taste of a normal cigarette anymore. In fact, I really like the cherry flavor e-cig.

Yes, smoking is a chemical, behavioral and psychological habit/addiction. I really don't like calling it an addiction, because people do stop and never crave another cigarette. The same cannot be said for drugs or alcohol. Nicotine and the other chemicals in cigarettes make you crave them. The behavior of taking in a deep breath or just lighting up because a certain amount of time has passed is the behavioral side. The psychological side is where we say we want to quit, need to quit, but cannot quit. By attacking those individually can help on eliminating the other 2.

How can I prove this? During the day, say you smoke once every half-hour. However, when you are asleep, do you wake up every 30 minutes to smoke? When you wake up, do you immediately light up, or do you do something else, like go to the bathroom, then make yourself a cup of coffee, then light up.

Try this, when you have a craving for a cigarette, take in a deep breath and exhale, just like you would if you were smoking. Do that a few times over the course of say 10 minutes. Then, instead of lighting up, do an e-cig, but only take a few puffs. Don't try to "smoke" it for 5 minutes like you would an analog.

I wish you the very best, it ain't easy.

dave
 

dpaulthomas

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I wish you the best with your struggle to quit smoking! I'm a 30+ year heavy smoker. My transition was easy -- my husband's horrible. He hated dripping, said it didn't taste right and the feel of the ecig was too heavy. I, too, was disappointed with my first ecig, but plugged along for the first couple of weeks. Then we upgraded to a 510 system. It doesn't look like a cig, but the great vaping of 36mg juice took all the cravings away and satisfied the physical need to smoke. 6 months vaping and I'd never go back. Now, I'm upgrading again to the mega dual coil carto's with 1000Mah batteries for a ecig that will last all day without refilling. You can do it!
 

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Keep in mind it's not so much how many analogs you smoke but how many you don't smoke.

Refrain from adding stress, a smoking trigger for many, by not beating up on yourself when you do have a smoke.

My DH smoked for 55 years and 2 pad for most of those years. He started vaping a year ago, starting with a very good 801 pen style and 24 mg juice. He continued analogs, 1-2 packs a week for several months; much better than 2 packs a day. Then for a few months one pack a week. He is now down to about 2 packs a month and usually has 2-3 at a sitting so it is not every day. In the past month we have put together his perfect vape using his usual near perfect bottom feeder but using lr Boge carto and a newly discovered juice. He now enjoys vaping more than analogs but still has an occasional analog. At the time he started using the cartos he also abruptly cut his new found favorite juice, highly flavored tobacco, 24 mg with 2/3rd unflavored PG, so he went from 24 mg VG to 8 mg mostly PG, virtually over night. He is vaping more to compensate for reduced nic but having almost no mouth/throat irritation. In his case it is pretty obvious that high consumption of nic was not the strongest left over addiction, rather he has finally broken the other smoking addictions.

Neither of us are all that bothered by his rare analog. It's how many he is no longer smoking that is still thrilling for both of us.

I'm in my early 60s and smoked 40 years 3 pad for the last 20 of those years. For 30 years I did every form of quit therapys, processes, medications, several times each, and none were sucessful for long. I even experenced severe drug withdrawal several times with cold turkey quitting. It only took me about a month to stop virtually all analogs after I started vaping. Three months into vaping I couldn't even finish the very few I lit up. I have had no desire to even pick up an analog since third month vaping.

Two very different smokers with individual addictions related to smoking. A lot of people never have an analog after their first vape. For many more it is not that easy and/or fast.

Just remember that it is how many you don't smoke. Find that great, hassle free set up, ease up on yourselves, and chances are high that you will succeed.

Alice

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I wish you the stength to persevere on this journey for yourself and the ones you love. You already know it's worth it. I've been vaping for over 7 months and STILL grab my purse and rummage for my cigs once a week or so. I panic that I can't find them (heart-pounding panic). I know I vape so why do I keep repeating this? I hit the hard stuff, 24mg Halo Torque 56 with a strong throat hit. After a few of long vapes I start to settle down (PM me happy to send you a sample). I still have my emergency pack of cigarettes. There is one gone from the pack all these months later. It gives me a sense of control over them that they're there and I choose to vape.

Many vapers can't stand the stench of cigarettes. I smell the waft of smoke from a huddle of smokers and want one. Maybe I always will. I vape instead. 98% of the time it's beautiful and I'm completely satisfied. That 2% is a monster we can control. You can do this!
 

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Hi neighbor! It took me 2yrs to fully convert. When I started vaping I dropped from a pack and a half a day to 1 - 3 cigs a day. My wife finally quit so I no longer have a bad influence by my side. I still bum one every so often from friends but it's tasteless and yucky feeling.
 

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I smoked for almost 30 years, and i have two beautiful grandkids. I have quit MANY times, struggled and struggled through it only to relapse as much as a year and half later in some stressful situation. I too pretty much loved smoking, everything about it. A couple of things have helped me. First was a book called The Easy Way to Quit Smoking -- I believe the author is Allan Carr (something like that). His main premise is a change in how you think about cigarettes. Your post sounds like you are feeling deprived and it is some work to do the self talk (which it sounds like you already do some of) and remind yourself that you should not feel deprived of them, they are not worth feeling deprived over. I totally understand the panic of not having that pack there. I still have almost a full pack in a box on my desk and just knowing it is there makes me feel better, even though I do find them revolting since I started vaping and have no intention of smoking them, they are still there. Sometimes I think (about the vapor system) "man these things are too much trouble" much easier to smoke a cig and get the same result every single time, instead of having to worry about leaking and burning and other weird things that happen. But it is totally worth it. Look at the filter every time you smoke a cigarette. If there is that much brown, tarry gunk in that filter, what just went into your poor little lungs? Like everybody else said, dont beat yourself up and dont give up! Also, the whole habit of taking the cig out of the pack and lighting it and all that stuff. Habits are very easily changed! Make a new habit with the vaper!
 

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My vaping history;


2009 had a mall type kit on a cross country journey. It was pitiful at best and I still had to stop every 2 hrs to have an analog to stay awake.
2010 Thanksgiving. After seeing my father and aunt struggles to breath accelerated and knowing my own breathing had gotten much worse, I ordered a kit the following day. I lost my job the same day the kit arrived and I had my last smoke. It was not an option to buy another carton, so I sucked it up. It was much easier than I could have imagined to make the change. Around a smoking friend I would bum here and there. The smell would make me crave one and still does.
Summer 2011 I had tried to lower my nic level to 12mg. I became a chain vaper. So back up to 24mg and still chain vaping. I'm not getting the satisfaction anymore. WTF? looking back, maybe I never really did have the satisfaction. So I am about to try WTA to see if that can give me what I am craving and reduce the nic I am using daily. Chain vaping/higher nic do nothing to relieve my stress. Just had 3 stinkys yesterday with my friend and that calm feeling has been sorely missed even though they tasted horrible!!!
 

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"I don't personally know anyone outside the family who vapes"

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I did myself in the first time because I had to leave town for a funeral, ran off and forgot half of my stuff, then decided I simply didn't want to have to spend 3 or 4 days explaining what an ecig was to every person/relative at the funeral, so I went back to analogs for those few days, and that was enough to screw my head up.

After doing both for a while, I finally got ticked off enough (at myself) to lay the analogs down again - couple of weeks so far.

The point is, don't beat yourself up over it...some people quit analogs the day they get a PV (but I do envy them), some it takes a while. Everyone is different, and there is no right or wrong.

You described lighting up a cig as a 'reward'....I personally despised smoking, but did it anyway - for me it was a stress and/or boredom 'crutch'. Again, everyone is different. Hang in there, and you'll be fine.
 

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I hear you :) I smoked about as long myself. I didn't smoke alot but I did everyday. I actually used the e cig inbetween regular smokes, I found my craving lessening, so got down to only one real cig a day, then I would on purpose "forget" my real cigs and just take my e cig when traveling, it worked :) So best of luck and don't sweat it, enjoy the wonderful e cigs and flavors and if you feel you can't go without an analog, have one, but keep vaping and just maybe you will find that tastes so much better you won't crave an analog. I do have a full pack of analogs in my freezer, it is unopened and there just so I never panic, but honestly I am nearly a month off them and have no desire to go back to them. I still get a craving to smoke, but I use my ecig and vape instead. I have to remind my brain, that vaping is "smoking" but a whole lot healthier :) bnrk
 

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I smoked for 45+ years and really had no intentions of quitting, I just wanted to smoke less. I started out with 36mg liquids and noticed I didn't feel like smoking. Early on I bought a cheap eGo setup and that, with the strong juice, pretty much kept me from wanting a smoke. I would vape that thing like a crack addict, get dizzy and light headed but.....it took away my desire to smoke.
You can do this too. Don't quit smoking, don't beat yourself up. Get yourself a decent setup and some strong juice you like and see what happens. You'll probably just stop on your own.
I wish you the best of luck :)
 

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A trick I used --

If you're serious about quitting, don't have YOUR brand of cigarette at the ready. Buy something you dont care for. I smoked my wife's Merit Ultra Lights when I decided to quit and cross over to the vaping side. They might be the most disgusting cigarette on the market. LOL

IOW, if you give in to the urge to smoke and it's a familiar smoke, an old friend revisited so to speak, vaping will seem alien. Everyone needs their own strategy to quit. I *think* falling back on your usual brand just makes it that much harder... well, it would have for me.

Just a thought to share...

Good luck.
 

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I am so sorry I never thanked you all for your kind words and helpful replies. You all had something helpful to contribute and I apologize for being so remiss in showing my appreciation an replying to some of the questions, I just didn't have my head screwed on straight! I am still fighting the battle, sad to say. In answer to what I'm using, I've got a few ego clones, my favorite is my passthrough with a DCLR carto with any of a number of great juices at between 24-36mg. Even if I vape like a lab rat I will often get the symptoms of nic overload but it still does not kill the cravings for an analog. I managed with much effort to get it down to just a few a day, and hover there a while, and then the ghost would haunt me again. After doing a lot of reading here guided by some of these posts, I think it truly is all about WTA, although I've not been able to afford any yet, I did have a very kind soul here on ECF gift me with some snus, which also contain the missing alkaloids. Though I must say I was not too fond of the taste or the delivery method, the proof was in the snus! It cut the hard cravings substantially! It's kind of tough because it isn't as tasty as vaping, but it does scratch that itch...but so does a cigarette which I still enjoy despite knowing better! I have to be careful to keep the cumulative snus/vaping nicotine levels at a point just below OD but not too low or else the cravings hit. I keep the cigs in the freezer because I learned if they aren't here I will freak. I am such a basket case. I read so many posts here where people pick up their first PV, take their first hit, and tada! No more nasties!!! Wow! I am so jealous! Then I'll do good for a few weeks, and I'm back to fighting it again, and feeling like I'm losing. It's so frustrating! I love vaping, I DIY, I'm totally into it, but I feel like I have this demon who won't leave me alone! Yes, I do even get up in the middle of the night craving a cigarette!!! I will usually vape thru it, but, geez!!! Hard core or what?
 
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