Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

[crxess]

Just curious with all the uproar over counterfeit products in this industry, why so many vapers knowingly buy clones?

Seems counterproductive to me...?

Yes that Chesty! I see you posted the one single Chesty quote to help justify your point... Yet he also said this:
"There are not enough Chinamen in the world to stop a fully armed Marine regiment from going where ever they want to go”

OK... would you knowingly take a Chinese cloned Kabar into battle? Or a Chinese copy of an M4? Cloned M855 ammo???

By your reasoning a company that make 5,000 authentic original designs really only makes 1 (the very 1st off their line)? But it's perfectly OK for another company to copy that design 1:1, including all the logos and packaging?

Straying from the Original Thread Post in an attempt to Prove ones Superior Position seems a bit Defensive.

 

[USMCotaku]

But you also said its only a "counterfeit" if it is sold as the authentic. The fact that all logos and packaging are copied 1:1 makes it a counterfeit whether sold as original or not!

Since you keep claiming "proper use of English language" as your defense lets take a look at the definition of counterfeit:



Hmmmm, I think the ground your standing on isn't stable!

coun·ter·feit

\ˈkau̇nt-ər-ˌfit\
adjective
: made to look like an exact copy of something in order to trick people
Full Definition
1 :made in imitation of something else with intent to deceive :

clone
\ˈklōn\
biology : a plant or animal that is grown from one cell of its parent and that has exactly the same genes as its parent

: a product (such as a computer) that is a copy of another product produced by a well-known company

: a person or thing that appears to be an exact copy of another person or thing

 

[Ricky Spanish]

This thread seems to be more of a Setup for Purist than anything to do with the original post.
A means to an end if you will. A way to sucker people in and Belittle the masses for ones self gratification.

This thread has long passed the stage of curiosity and is simply a let them post so I can be Demeaning run-on.

This is exactly what this thread is. A baited question to attempt a holier than thou persona and troll worthy personal attacks.

A lot of keyboard warriors with nothing better to do...

 

[Darryl Licht]

Straying from the Original Thread Post in an attempt to Prove ones Superior Position seems a bit Defensive.

Please, please, PLEASE show me where I said my position is superior?

Feeling a bit inferior today crx???

 

[USMCotaku]

So as you can see.... It becomes counterfeit if its being passed as the original, if not.....clone.
Calling it counterfeit to make it appear wrong or illegal doesn't make it so
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[USMCotaku]

Please, please, PLEASE show me where I said my position is superior?



Feeling a bit inferior today crx???

You claimed the "superior" stance when you labeled us as immoral in our purchase decisions, claiming an imaginary moral high ground

 

[Darryl Licht]

coun·ter·feit

\ˈkau̇nt-ər-ˌfit\
adjective
: made to look like an exact copy of something in order to trick people
Full Definition
1 :made in imitation of something else with intent to deceive :

clone
\ˈklōn\
biology : a plant or animal that is grown from one cell of its parent and that has exactly the same genes as its parent

: a product (such as a computer) that is a copy of another product produced by a well-known company

: a person or thing that appears to be an exact copy of another person or thing

Seems there are varying definitions for the word some claiming intent, some not. Here are 2 definitions for my point of view:

coun·ter·feit
(koun′tər-fĭt′)
v. coun·ter·feit·ed, coun·ter·feit·ing, coun·ter·feits

v.tr.
1. To make an imitation or copy of (something), usually with the intent to defraud: counterfeits money.

2. To make a pretense of; feign: counterfeited interest in the story.

---OR---


1. Made in imitation so as to be passed off fraudulently or deceptively as genuine; not genuine; forged:
"counterfeit dollar bills."


2. pretended; unreal:

---OR Look at the synonyms---

Synonyms: bogus, fake, false, forged, inauthentic, phony (also phoney), queer, sham, snide, spurious, unauthentic

 

[fredrikstad]

If it looks identical, is sold using the same name as an authentic, has the same markings and packaging and even made in stamp, it is a counterfeit...

Not if it`s not sold at the price of the OG. If they say it is a clone, and the price is lower, then it`s not a counterfeit

 

[stevegmu]

This is exactly what this thread is. A baited question to attempt a holier than thou persona and troll worthy personal attacks.

A lot of keyboard warriors with nothing better to do...

Odd it is the counterfeit defenders who seem to be doing the vast majority of personal attacks...

 

[USMCotaku]

There isn't variation in those definitions. Just because one of them says "usually", it still makes the distinction of deception. Of the item being passed as real
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[stevegmu]

A post earlier answered the question quite well. If the poster could buy fake Nikes for $5 he would. Nikes aren't particularly well made or comfortable, but it is the name and look people want...

 

[Darryl Licht]

You claimed the "superior" stance when you labeled us as immoral in our purchase decisions, claiming an imaginary moral high ground

Supporting a manufacturer and entire industry that directly rips off and copies 1:1 a design of a well known, popular, or expensive product and then sells it at 1/4th the price is moral?

I choose not to buy, and I'm not alone! It's based on my personal beliefs and how I perceive the clone industry damages legitimate businesses!

IF EVERYONE STOPPED BUYING BOTH THE CLONES AND THEIR OVERPRICED AUTHENTICS, THEN THAT MARKET AND THE MANUFACTURERS WHO SUPPORT THEM WOULD GO AWAY!

 

[Darryl Licht]

There isn't variation in those definitions. Just because one of them says "usually", it still makes the distinction of deception. Of the item being passed as real
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

REALLY??? The included "usually" means the intent doesn't have to be there!

OK, by your argument if someone copies a $100 bill at home with no intent of using it as real money they have it in their pocket and a LEO finds it upon a search, they're OK because of no intent???

NO!!!!!!!!!They'll be in possession of counterfeit money, regardless of whether they intended to pass it off as real money or not!

How do you prove "intent"???

 

[USMCotaku]

What you guys are trying to do is pass off your subjective opinion as objective truth.
Steve may find Nikes to be uncomfortable or not well made..... But others find them to be the most comfortable, while some are perfectly happy with WalMart shoes.....subjective

With "authentics" being often hard to come by, sold out, wait lists etc., that different really support clones as being harmful to the industry.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[USMCotaku]

REALLY??? The included "usually" means the intent doesn't have to be there!

OK, by your argument if someone copies a $100 bill at home with no intent of using it as real money they have it in their pocket and a LEO finds it upon a search, they're OK because of no intent???

NO!!!!!!!!!They'll be in possession of counterfeit money, regardless of whether they intended to pass it off as real money or not!

No, no, no! If its being carried around, then intent could be implied. If that same person framed it and hung out on his wall...... He would be fine, he created a piece of art. The distinction is there, you just refuse to see it, because it would invalidate a large part of your argument

 

[Darryl Licht]

No, no, no! If its being carried around, then intent could be implied. If that same person framed it and hung out on his wall...... He would be fine, he created a piece of art. The distinction is there, you just refuse to see it, because it would invalidate a large part of your argument

In actuality you've proved my point sir!

Where is the distinction between a 1:1 clone, in 1:1 packaging, with 1:1 engravings? What's the implied intent there????? TO DECEIVE!!! There is no other logical reason for doing so! Its a counterfeit plain and simple.

Now take that same design, lose the 1:1 engravings, put it in a box marked "clone", "copy", or "style" and the intent is gone. However, in my eyes, and many others, its still a counterfeit of the original design!

 

[Bad Ninja]

In actuality you've proved my point sir!

Where is the distinction between a 1:1 clone, in 1:1 packaging, with 1:1 engravings? What's the implied intent there????? TO DECEIVE!!! There is no other logical reason for doing so! Its a counterfeit plain and simple.

Now take that same design, lose the 1:1 engravings, put it in a box marked "clone", "copy", or "style" and the intent is gone. However, in my eyes, and many others, its still a counterfeit of the original design!

It's nice to see you admit to your biased opinion.
So this is why you started multiple threads disguised as poll, or questions.
You simply wanted to start an argument.
A troll.

Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with smackin a troll around, but at least man up and have the stones to admit it.
Embrace your troll self.
That way we know you are pretending and are not really mentally deficient.

 

[AnsonJames]

In actuality you've proved my point sir!

Where is the distinction between a 1:1 clone, in 1:1 packaging, with 1:1 engravings? What's the implied intent there????? TO DECEIVE!!! There is no other logical reason for doing so! Its a counterfeit plain and simple.

Now take that same design, lose the 1:1 engravings, put it in a box marked "clone", "copy", or "style" and the intent is gone. However, in my eyes, and many others, its still a counterfeit of the original design!

The word "counterfeit" only really applies to copies sold as originals at the same price.

Nobody buys Kayfuns from Fasttech thinking they're real - even if they're in "authentic" looking packaging.
You'd have to be pretty new at this game to pay big money for a device from a seller you don't know.

I don't really know why the cloners bother with logos and packaging - nobody falls for it.

 

[stevegmu]

The word "counterfeit" only really applies to copies sold as originals at the same price.

Nobody buys Kayfuns from Fasttech thinking they're real - even if they're in "authentic" looking packaging.
You'd have to be pretty new at this game to pay big money for a device from a seller you don't know, I don't really know why the cloners bother with logos and packaging - nobody falls for it.

I've seen a number of posts where B&Ms are selling fakes at original prices...

The logos, packaging, stamps all benefit the buyer, who has the experience of owning an authentic device at a fraction of the price. If not, the manufacturers would save the extra money said packaging, engravings and stamping cost...

 

[crxess]

Please, please, PLEASE show me where I said my position is superior?

Feeling a bit inferior today crx???

OMG!!

Now............wasn't that easy?

Point proven. Actions my friend.......actions