The B&M's I've been to sell fakes at original prices but sell originals at collector's prices. They gotta make a buck though.
Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?
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It's nice to see you admit to your biased opinion.
So this is why you started multiple threads disguised as poll, or questions.
You simply wanted to start an argument.
A troll.
Don't get me wrong, I'm cool with smackin a troll around, but at least man up and have the stones to admit it.
Embrace your troll self.
That way we know you are pretending and are not really mentally deficient.
NO.... I want to get to the truth and learn peoples opinions! I have 1 other thread on a remotely similar topic Regulated Mods vs Mechanicals, and an associated poll to that thread. NO OTHER THREADS ON COPIES CLONES OR COUNTERFEITS... are all mechs clones? NO! Are all regulated mods clones... NO! Your grasping at invisible straws sir!
Your resorting to calling people names like "troll" only proves your statement has zero grounds!
And those b&m's should be boycotted. If they are selling a clone that I can purchase for 30, at 100......i won't shop there. I'll just assume ask of their price markups are similarly high and leave
Boycotted by who, me? I don't shop there anymore anyway.They are doing a tremendous business. New vapors don't know they are paying double for what they can get online. I've been to B&M's in several states and it's all the same. You must live in an area with high competition.
First, I do apologize if I'm possibly misunderstanding the first line.
I would have thought from your many recent post, you have long decided on what is True - In your eyes.
I also thought, possibly incorrectly, Seeking(learning) peoples opinions did not require attempting Reeducation or insistence that those opinions were a Failing.
I should also note, you may have lost ground with both the Clone supporters and the Elitist with this one:
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Ironically, the place I frequent the most is actually a smoke shop..... That carries more and more varied gear then most vape shops I've been in
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
But your other thread was also created with a pre-determined stance that your regulated mod was superior to anybody else's mechanical builds. They are very much threads created for trolling, for the purpose of arguing and upsetting people. You didn't really care about people's opinions, you already have an opinion which you believe is the only correct one... everyone else is inferior. I am surprised that a 52 year old man gets a thrill from this sort of thing.
If it doesn`t , it would be really stupid to buy a 180 dollar atty. Why do you by a 180 usd atty if the 30 usd atty does exactely the same thing? Wanna look cool? Be something better than average joe?
I think it is pretty clear the buyer of the $30 'clone' wants the look of the $180 authentic...
But, your thinking could be wrong. They could simply want to know the unit functions as the $180 without getting it in the back side.
But they are just flashlight tubes or hunks of metal with a couple posts and air holes. No difference, at all. China makes plenty of generic flashlight tubes or small hunks of metal with posts and air holes...
I think the human brain automatically sees items openly and widely marketed as being ok, morally and legally. That's why people don't associate the word clone with
an action of wrongdoing as in stealing another's design and selling it for profit. They assume that the item must be just a similar design or something that doesn't really infringe on another's rights or it is a re-brand possibly done with the authorization of the original designer. They think the OM would certainly have stopped them if it was wrong and they had a legal right to do so. When someone points out the clone activity includes 1:1 cloning with trademarks included, they ask "Well, why didn't they do what seems to be the normal thing and get copyrights or patents?" "And, regardless of start up or development costs, why are the clones able to be sold at such a lower price?" Without sufficient answers to their questions, they resort to what they originally determined that these products are ok to buy and sell. I stopped the cloning of my line of fitness equipment without copyrights and patents in an inexpensive lawsuit.
an action of wrongdoing as in stealing another's design and selling it for profit. They assume that the item must be just a similar design or something that doesn't really infringe on another's rights or it is a re-brand possibly done with the authorization of the original designer. They think the OM would certainly have stopped them if it was wrong and they had a legal right to do so. When someone points out the clone activity includes 1:1 cloning with trademarks included, they ask "Well, why didn't they do what seems to be the normal thing and get copyrights or patents?" "And, regardless of start up or development costs, why are the clones able to be sold at such a lower price?" Without sufficient answers to their questions, they resort to what they originally determined that these products are ok to buy and sell. I stopped the cloning of my line of fitness equipment without copyrights and patents in an inexpensive lawsuit.
To me that's the heart of it! Again you can buy a $30 clone/counterfeit of a $150+ authentic atty to look cool.
OR
Buy one of many good authentic attys that do the same thing at $50 and under!
Not disagreeing with that at all. I have my AGA-t's and Sigelei Mechanical mods...... Both actually well built and work nice.
But that will just bring things back to the PRC argument.
Sadly for the Purist, the argument is Moot. It seems the Majority of the worlds buying population just does not care as long as it brings <perceived> affordability to the market.
Personally, I just do not see Vaping as a High End Sport requiring the most expensive and technologically advanced equipment as a necessity.
Two things I would point out.
1) Million Dollar Lathes are not required for precision work. Quality machining has been around longer than those lathes.
2) Making limited high cost runs on such equipment would be insane and of course lead to inflated pricing.
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Or, just maybe, a certain design suits you better, fits your build style etc.. But you can't or won't pay the ridiculous price tag of an authentic. Sure you can get authentics for cheaper, but if they aren't what you need or want, that's irrelevant. I'm not a collector, each device I have, real or clone, fills a specific need.
The only thing clones can be proven to hurt is peoples pride, both modders and the people who over pay them. I couldn't care less about someone's pride. Oh noes, they copied my design and are selling it cheaper, that's going to hurt my profits! You mean the profits on the device that you have a month long or more waiting list on? The one you can't produce fast enough to meet market demand on? Yeah, your profits are hurting.
I used to do farrier work for a living. My bread and butter wasn't in fancy high dollar shoe jobs, I had very few clients that wanted that kind of work. I made most of my money by providing good, fundamentally sound, proper hoof trims, for cheaper then most other farriers. What I lost per trim by lower prices, I made up for in volume. If there was another farrier doing them for lower then I was willing to go, I kept my clients by providing higher quality work.
We're talking a difference of 5-10 dollars a head difference. Value for the money. In most cases these modders are NOT providing enough quality difference to justify a difference in price of 5x or more, and in some cases the quality has been shown to be equal or even less then the cheaper clone. You want to stop clones? Put out quality products for reasonable prices. Maybe put out some special high dollar limited editions now and then to appease the ego needs of some vapers, problem solved
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
The only thing clones can be proven to hurt is peoples pride, both modders and the people who over pay them. I couldn't care less about someone's pride. Oh noes, they copied my design and are selling it cheaper, that's going to hurt my profits! You mean the profits on the device that you have a month long or more waiting list on? The one you can't produce fast enough to meet market demand on? Yeah, your profits are hurting.
I used to do farrier work for a living. My bread and butter wasn't in fancy high dollar shoe jobs, I had very few clients that wanted that kind of work. I made most of my money by providing good, fundamentally sound, proper hoof trims, for cheaper then most other farriers. What I lost per trim by lower prices, I made up for in volume. If there was another farrier doing them for lower then I was willing to go, I kept my clients by providing higher quality work.
We're talking a difference of 5-10 dollars a head difference. Value for the money. In most cases these modders are NOT providing enough quality difference to justify a difference in price of 5x or more, and in some cases the quality has been shown to be equal or even less then the cheaper clone. You want to stop clones? Put out quality products for reasonable prices. Maybe put out some special high dollar limited editions now and then to appease the ego needs of some vapers, problem solved
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
I've got a Doge, plus I got a comp cap for it.
I've got a Mutation X and a Mutation X V2.
I've got a Freakshow and a Troll.
What other RDAs can you name that sell for less than $50 authentic? If any of them come with wide-bore top caps or fit a chuff, I will buy them.
I have many more authentic RDAs, but they are all more expensive. And a ton of clones. Most of my attys don't even leave my house. I certainly am not showing them off to anyone. Sometimes I'll post pictures on the forums here, but thats about it... and I proudly let everyone know that its a great quality clone which I found at a fantastic price.
So no, its not about showing off or pretending that the thing is authentic. I just want something with a design that I like and features that I like at a quality that I like. I don't care what it says on it, but I generally want to make sure that it works right by finding online reviews or videos of the product first. Sometimes, it is easier to find this kind of feedback for authentic devices. This is why the cloners copy the aesthetic designs and logos. People are searching for something that is just like the product that received positive feedback except at a better price.
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Over those authentics you say you own; the Doge, 2 Mutations, a Troll, and a Freakshow what possible advantage do any clones have over them? Especially an RDA that is really build dependent??? You sound like a collector...
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