Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?

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Because this is the current market trend,

I've gone over this before but here it is
Costs associated with production
CNC machining of the mod
Prototype materials required/used
Mold cut or casted of the original
Sourcing parts not locally available
Insanely high quality metals used in production

Yes these costs can skyrocket quickly and there is a requirement to reclaim the money spent on it.

Now here is a concept that isn't really in the "Authentic" market until now, which is sell at a reasonable price and this will net the same profit as only selling a few high priced mods (you just won't see it at once in bulk). The other issue is my mods are understood to be an item that I carry around with me. Much like my zippo when I smoked I have them with me all the time so they take the abuse of it. Why would I carry a 200 dollar piece of copper tube and treat it with kitten gloves, the idea of a mod is to be used and sometimes abused when out and around. I won't feel badly about dropping a 30 dollar mod, if something breaks oh well replace it and keep on moving. There is this insane and quite frankly childish war of "Authentic" vs "Clone" but out of the ashes has risen a truth, lower price sells large quantity which means higher profits.

I haven't a clue why there is the need for surgical steel and aircraft grade aluminum parts, or even titanium parts for that matter. No one will notice if the mod manufactures drop the quality of the stainless down to a fairly good quality but not the best available, I won't anyways and I bet 9 out of 10 blind test reviewers will never know either. I'm not saying produce total junk but making something that will last a while if not a lifetime does not require insane high grade materials.

These are my 2 cents on this matter.
 

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Living a utilitarian lifestyle isn't for me. I like nice things. I don't believe in supporting counterfeit items- no matter what the business. 'Clones' to me are like fake boobs; I don't like them and those who have them are trying to be something they are not. Can't afford a genuine mod get an eGo...

No offence, but what a comparison!, So on the flip side...if she can't "afford" a set of wikid boobs she should stay with her own? :unsure:

What if they have been disfigured?
What about women with boobs that are too large for them to be comfortably mobile? are they allowed to modify in your book?
What about too small that they feel highly insecure?
What about women that have uneven boobs?

Personally, I prefer natural also, but I would never judge anyone who did decide to get a boob job...for what ever reason.

On topic:
I buy clones and authentic, clones to test, authentic if the product is worth it and not taking the Mick on the price.
 

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Touchy subject anyway here's my 2 cents :).

Because clones and authentic are both manufactured by the same manufacturers in China. Some of the clones are made by different manufacturers so you need to research and find out which clones are better.

So the rich 1% or the impatient get to buy the authentic first hand, but the poor me gets to wait for the review and the clones and save meself mucho $$$. :) It's like rich folks could afford a beer in a fancy restaurant for $10, while I go to grocery store to buy a 6-pack for about $1 each.
 

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Quality is not using high grade parts, the biggest, best, nicest, classiest, etc........ Quality is conformance to the requirements of the customer. I think companies should manufacture their products with that in mind. A battery or juice holder shouldn't cost hundreds of dollars. I paid $3,500 for a Desktop in 1971 and thought I got a good deal. I can now buy a better one for 400 bucks. I don't see more than 75 or 80 bucks worth in any mod and neither will most people in a few years :2c:
 
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Living a utilitarian lifestyle isn't for me. I like nice things. I don't believe in supporting counterfeit items- no matter what the business. 'Clones' to me are like fake boobs; I don't like them and those who have them are trying to be something they are not. Can't afford a genuine mod get an eGo...

Really now, wow um... Nope not gonna do it because it may cause the censor filter on the forum to stop working from what I may say.
So, I'm really glad that you can afford high end mods, or are a reviewer and may get them free but the issue is 99% of the rest of folks don't have floating funds to throw around at metal tubes with switches and a 510 top plate.

Calling out people for their choices shows your ignorance by a large margin, also proves my point in a later point that it is a childish war between the two groups. the idiocy of it all is mind blowing at the best that there is even this fight of "This is better then that" but may I remind you one of the most innovative products to come out is made by China, more specifically UD Goblin, so the argument of China vs American made holds no water what so ever. Everyone has innovations on both sides, but here is what I want, a manufacture to listen to its customer base and make changes that are logical and beneficial.

Great, both sides did that (BTW, authentic rarely make changes due to supposed "cost issues of doing so") but here is where the rubber meets the road, I have to spend another 200$ or more to buy the authentic with the changes requested, I get the clone for 30 bucks and its upgraded, which one is the better deal in the end. Everyone looks at it as branding but its so much more and so few manufactures understand that, I'm more then sure if prices became reasonable then the Authentic vs clone war would end but for some reason folks are still holding on to the dream of "Charge big bucks". This topic has been resurrected a billion times over and both sides end up saying something harsh or ill timed such as the comment posted by Stevegmu.

Here, you want it, I'll put it in caps so you see it "THE BEST MOD IS THE MOD THAT GETS YOU OFF SMOKING AND OR YOU LIKE"... Authentic or clone doesn't matter so might as well figure that one out early.

By the way, I'd take a set of natural or fake, as long as I can motorboat those puppies its all good to me.
 

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So, I'm really glad that you can afford high end mods, or are a reviewer and may get them free but the issue is 99% of the rest of folks don't have floating funds to throw around at metal tubes with switches and a 510 top plate.

Thank you. The arrogance of "can't afford authentic, get an ego" just completely robbed me of the power articulation. I've never actually HAD an ego, because I knew already they were crap -- I started with an eroll for the cigalike feel, then got an iTaste vv3 -- all authentic, and not expensive. But saying "can't afford authentic, get an ego" is right up there with "let them eat cake." If I'd ever needed to depend on an ego because I couldn't afford anything better, I wouldn't be a non-smoker now.

I'm still so raged... outraged, enraged, all the rage you can think of... by "can't afford authentic, get an ego" I think I'll just shut up now before the mods decide I'm persona non grata.

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No offence, but what a comparison!, So on the flip side...if she can't "afford" a set of wikid boobs she should stay with her own? :unsure:

What if they have been disfigured?
What about women with boobs that are too large for them to be comfortably mobile? are they allowed to modify in your book?
What about too small that they feel highly insecure?
What about women that have uneven boobs?

Personally, I prefer natural also, but I would never judge anyone who did decide to get a boob job...for what ever reason.

On topic:
I buy clones and authentic, clones to test, authentic if the product is worth it and not taking the Mick on the price.

There are medical reasons for boob jobs; that's fine. The others are just trying to be something they are not- just like those who buy counterfeit items to impress others, or themselves...
 

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There are medical reasons for boob jobs; that's fine. The others are just trying to be something they are not- just like those who buy counterfeit items to impress others, or themselves...


Lopsided boobs is not a medical reason to get them done..... Doesn't mean it isn't a valid reason, but still....
 

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I wonder how people smoked cigarettes if they can't buy genuine items for the price of a couple cartons...


Because a lot of people can't even afford cartons and exist pack to pack, and of those that do buy by the carton, the price of a carton doesn't cover the price of just the mod..... Then you have the atty, then you have the batteries, charger wire etc. etc.. Try and be a little reasonable here, and look at it objectively.
 

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Because a lot of people can't even afford cartons and exist pack to pack, and of those that do buy by the carton, the price of a carton doesn't cover the price of just the mod..... Then you have the atty, then you have the batteries, charger wire etc. etc.. Try and be a little reasonable here, and look at it objectively.

There are plenty of inexpensive genuine designed and made in China mods and attys... A lot of people successfully quit smoking and have stayed quit with eGos...
 

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Those mods are still more expensive then many clones. Not to mention form factor. If you don't like the form or function of one of those mods, you have to stick to an ego battery? When you can get one you do like for $30? Not to mention a lot of people also WOULDN'T stay quit with ego batteries. I used one for less then a month when I realized it wasn't enough for me. You are still looking at this subjectively.... Because you can afford an authentic and that's what you prefer..... Then that's what we all should do. If you are truly worried about theft of "intellectual property" then I hope you aren't using ANY mech mod, since they are all just cosmetic differences on the same mechanical principle.
I don't mind if someone prefers to buy authentics.... We should all spend our money how we see fit, in a way that brings us satisfaction. What bothers me is when someone rides the authentic "high horse" and spouting arguments proven false many times over. The authentics are better....... While sometimes true, not always, and becoming less and less so, with clones now often making improvements that the authentics SHOULD have came with.
Clones are stealing business from authentic modders.......k..... Explain how there is waiting lists for them if they are losing business?
You should buy used authentic instead of clones.......... Why? In what way does buying a used mod further that modders business? Is that used mod seller going to send any of that money to the original modder? By the harm to modders argument, buying used is just as harmful. But by and large that is NOT why people buy authentics.... If it was they wouldn't make the used argument. No, people will always be there to buy authentic, even when you can show a clone of that mod just as good or better in some cases...why? Status.
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The others are just trying to be something they are not- just like those who buy counterfeit items to impress others, or themselves...

Invalid argument. Not every clone buyer falls into this category

I bought a Kayfun V4 clone because the V4 interested me. No way I can justify the price of the authentic. No way I give a damn what other people think of me and the gear I use
 

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Those mods are still more expensive then many clones. Not to mention form factor. If you don't like the form or function of one of those mods, you have to stick to an ego battery? When you can get one you do like for $30? Not to mention a lot of people also WOULDN'T stay quit with ego batteries. I used one for less then a month when I realized it wasn't enough for me. You are still looking at this subjectively.... Because you can afford an authentic and that's what you prefer..... Then that's what we all should do. If you are truly worried about theft of "intellectual property" then I hope you aren't using ANY mech mod, since they are all just cosmetic differences on the same mechanical principle.
I don't mind if someone prefers to buy authentics.... We should all spend our money how we see fit, in a way that brings us satisfaction. What bothers me is when someone rides the authentic "high horse" and spouting arguments proven false many times over. The authentics are better....... While sometimes true, not always, and becoming less and less so, with clones now often making improvements that the authentics SHOULD have came with.
Clones are stealing business from authentic modders.......k..... Explain how there is waiting lists for them if they are losing business?
You should buy used authentic instead of clones.......... Why? In what way does buying a used mod further that modders business? Is that used mod seller going to send any of that money to the original modder? By the harm to modders argument, buying used is just as harmful. But by and large that is NOT why people buy authentics.... If it was they wouldn't make the used argument. No, people will always be there to buy authentic, even when you can show a clone of that mod just as good or better in some cases...why? Status.
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I would be willing to wager those who only buy fakes have multiple fakes; even enough or more to buy more than one genuine mod and atty...


Buying genuine things has nothing to do with status; buying knockoffs does...
 

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I would be willing to wager those who only buy fakes have multiple fakes; even enough or more to buy more than one genuine mod and atty...


Buying genuine things has nothing to do with status; buying knockoffs does...

But then they'd be taking a huge chance with just that one mod and atty. What if they don't like what they've bought? Reviews are all biased in the sense that it all comes down to personal preference, and not everyone has access to a B&M that will allow you to try before you buy. Clones allow you to get a feel for what you like.

IMO, buying an authentic is more of an experience than anything. When I bought mine, I did hours of research and debated back and forth over which authentic to buy. I finally picked one and personally am extremely happy with it but it was still a huge gamble, one that most people (including me) can't afford to take, especially more than once. Plus, having a variety of different gear is always fun. If/when I find my *perfect* setup (and I feel like I'm already there with my atty) then I'll buy authentic. Until then I'll keep sampling what's out there with clones.
 
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