I've bought one clone and one authentic. Which one has a QC issue? The authentic. The switch in the authentic mod I bought has damage inside which causes sparks when I fire it, the clone doesn't have this issue. Luckily, the company I bought the authentic from is replacing it and it was on the cheap (40$). However, I think I got lucky between the price and the vendor. Now, say it was a defective authentic mod that cost 200$+ and the vendor didn't want to replace it? .... out of luck, I'd rather (though really not at all) be .... out of luck on 40$(or 20$ on a FT clone) than 200$+.
Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?
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I've bought one clone and one authentic. Which one has a QC issue? The authentic. The switch in the authentic mod I bought has damage inside which causes sparks when I fire it, the clone doesn't have this issue. Luckily, the company I bought the authentic from is replacing it and it was on the cheap (40$). However, I think I got lucky between the price and the vendor. Now, say it was a defective authentic mod that cost 200$+ and the vendor didn't want to replace it? .... out of luck, I'd rather (though really not at all) be .... out of luck on 40$(or 20$ on a FT clone) than 200$+.
A competitive market is good in the long run. Competition helps to keep the price low. The use of Fastech and other overseas markets just tells the U.S. to consolidate skills and compete.
I go to vape shops in other towns whenever I get the opportunity. Most are small, in a strip mall, not on the internet, and...dingy. They are there and will eventually fail unless they join forces for broader sales, and cheaper sales. Most people want a one-stop shop.
Everyone thinks that they can make a lot of money off of that small , limited, business.
With regulation coming, purchasing internationally will grow until regulation squeezes that. The local, small, limited, vape shop is going to get a lot more pressure. Especially with current news telling the public that vaper's skin is going to slough off and cancer will develop in the reproductive organs.
Anyway, competition is good for the consumer, so long as completion is maintained.
IMHO
I go to vape shops in other towns whenever I get the opportunity. Most are small, in a strip mall, not on the internet, and...dingy. They are there and will eventually fail unless they join forces for broader sales, and cheaper sales. Most people want a one-stop shop.
Everyone thinks that they can make a lot of money off of that small , limited, business.
With regulation coming, purchasing internationally will grow until regulation squeezes that. The local, small, limited, vape shop is going to get a lot more pressure. Especially with current news telling the public that vaper's skin is going to slough off and cancer will develop in the reproductive organs.
Anyway, competition is good for the consumer, so long as completion is maintained.
IMHO
Competition is Great in a Market. As long as it is a Somewhat Level Playing Field.
When I spend Money to do R&D on a product. then I spend the Money to do CAD Designs, and then Spend the Money to Make Proof of a Concept Product, then spend the Money to Revise/Finalize a Product, then Spend the Money to actual make the Product, then it gets Ripped Off and Cloned, that Isn't Competition. That is Piracy.
Cloned Products doesn't make a market better. It makes a Market Worse
Because the People who have the Ideas and Innovations for New Products become reluctant to spend their hard earned Money to bring a New Product forward. Knowing that in a Matter of a few short Weeks, it will be Cloned.
A product can be Made for Much less when you Don't have to Spend Money on R&D, Design, Prototypes and Revisions. And you can just Rip Off Someone else who Has.
Because I am not stupid enough to pay $200 for a mod I can get for $20. Fact, is in most cases I can't even tell the clones from the authentic, via the internet. Kinda hard to buy a authentic when the authentic is not easy to find. If it ever even existed. I am NOT convinced that all clones are in fact "clone". Then there's the practical. I have a hard time paying more than $100 for a mod constructed of $10 worth of plumbing and electrical parts I could get at Lowes.
Why even buy a counterfeit, when one can make one from parts bought at Lowes for $10?
It's my money and I prefer to buy an efficient product than an inefficient one...
the inneficiency of the original manufacturers comes from a not well planned business, their machine cost time as they do shorter runs is much more expensive, they want to make money so they set a high price in order to get the money with the small run they make instead of the volume.
the efficiency of the cloners is that they have huge assembly lines, they own their machines and factories, they buy much much more material so their costs go down. they have the ability to fullfill the demand thus are really busy thus every wage they pay is for people working round the clock on making mods.
so in the end if a mod makers cost for a mod (not selling price) is $50 they want to charge $150 for it, on the clone world their mods cost $7 and charge $15 for it.
I do value the design the modders do, but come on it's not rocket science and I can design a mod in less than a day and have designed a few (I havent manufactured them but that is besides the point)
at the end of the day it's my money and I don't have to pay more for your short comings (original manufacturers) I pay for real value where I get the most out of my money.
as for the logos and 1:1 clones I don't really like it but I just see it as a con to the many pros that they have, it is just the way it is
the inneficiency of the original manufacturers comes from a not well planned business, their machine cost time as they do shorter runs is much more expensive, they want to make money so they set a high price in order to get the money with the small run they make instead of the volume.
the efficiency of the cloners is that they have huge assembly lines, they own their machines and factories, they buy much much more material so their costs go down. they have the ability to fullfill the demand thus are really busy thus every wage they pay is for people working round the clock on making mods.
so in the end if a mod makers cost for a mod (not selling price) is $50 they want to charge $150 for it, on the clone world their mods cost $7 and charge $15 for it.
I do value the design the modders do, but come on it's not rocket science and I can design a mod in less than a day and have designed a few (I havent manufactured them but that is besides the point)
at the end of the day it's my money and I don't have to pay more for your short comings (original manufacturers) I pay for real value where I get the most out of my money.
as for the logos and 1:1 clones I don't really like it but I just see it as a con to the many pros that they have, it is just the way it is
For convenience, although I haven't thrown away my $10 Home Depot mods, (no Lowes nearby) and they still work flawlessly.
They were the original mech mods, and the "R&D" was done in the Modders forum, so any current "Authentic" mods are actually clones.
edit: Oh, remember to throw away any and all of your Genny style attys, they are all 100% clones....
That's like saying all cars are simply 'clones' of the first one...
I will throw this out there, just as a thought. When looking at Fasttech recently (yes I am a cheap person, I do not part with my money easily. My husband works too hard for it)... Reading on three different things that said Authentic in the title... "This made in China device will read made in USA on bottom" "This made in China mod will read made in Germany on the casing"
I am willing to bet a lot of "Authentics" have more made in China parts than you know, if it isn't completely made in China. I know this isn't the case for all of them, but a good number you are buying because it's made elsewhere are probably actually made in the same factory.
Nike, Coach, and a lot of other clothing name brands are made in the same factory as the Walmart shoes, by the same workers, with maybe slightly different threads or colors or whatever. You are paying them to advertise their name for them.
Most made in USA cars, trucks etc. are full of parts, engines, transmissions, made in Japan, China, whatever. As long as it's assembled here, it's considered made in the USA.
Just some food for thought.
I am willing to bet a lot of "Authentics" have more made in China parts than you know, if it isn't completely made in China. I know this isn't the case for all of them, but a good number you are buying because it's made elsewhere are probably actually made in the same factory.
Nike, Coach, and a lot of other clothing name brands are made in the same factory as the Walmart shoes, by the same workers, with maybe slightly different threads or colors or whatever. You are paying them to advertise their name for them.
Most made in USA cars, trucks etc. are full of parts, engines, transmissions, made in Japan, China, whatever. As long as it's assembled here, it's considered made in the USA.
Just some food for thought.
Improvements have been made in cars, mech mods not so much. Less reliable switches, same metal tube, same 510 connector, adding some laser etching is like giving a car a paint job and saying it's improved.
Of course things from Fastech say made in USA or made in Germany. They are counterfeits...
My Kayfuns are made in Germany, my ProVari in the US- as are my shoes...
Because the lobster you have to get on a waiting list to be able to pre-order so that the lobster is shipped to you in 6 months, give or take a month, after charging you when the order is placed....just like authentic mods....
Why not just buy generic China mods with no logos or obvious stolen designs? They are all the same, right?
fake boobs don't really feel like real things, but clone mods functions perfectly fine and some are better. yes it is 'fake' in sense that it wasn't made by people who came out with authentic, but function-wise, there is no fake about it.
I prefer mods without any logos, clone or authentic, but the question is how you steal a design that was stolen in the first place?
The "authentic" designs are clones of previous designs with fancy labels...
I have 5 or 6 Very Innovative Designs for Mech Mods alone. Which I believe could Enhance Safety without sacrificing Functionality. But they will probably never go father then the CAD stage they are in.
Why? Because I am Unwilling to spend the 5 or 6 Thousands Needed to put the 1st Physical Product in a Vapers grubby hands Only to have the Design Ripped Off and Cloned before I can Cash my 1st Net 60 check I would receive from a Retailer.
And prefer to confine my efforts to markets where there are "Intellectual Properties" protection.
because, clones have features of the authentic, logo or no logo, at fraction of the price. i like to try praxis button, since it's 1:1 clone at fraction of the price, i can try it at much less cost. same with other mods and atties.
i can see if someone is a collector, they will spend large sum of money to get the authentic. but vaping is more of 'ends justifies the mean' thing. it keep me off cig. clone works fine and no functional problem for me. why should it spend 10x more?
This assumes one likes seafood. I for one would rather take the frozen burger from the trash heap, before having the lobster.
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