Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?
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No worries Fred, keep posting what you think.
Ok, will try. Thank you
For me, most of my buying choices, for ANYTHING, are based on money, and/or value. There are a few items that only name-brand, a certain brand, will do -- Twinings English Breakfast Tea, Hellman's mayo. I really can't think of any others than those 2, right offhand, which goes to show you how little I care about name brands. In some cases, value matters somewhat more than actual price, though price still has to be a major consideration, because we're basically poor. My husband bought me a diamond anniversary band for our 20th anniversary; he could have gotten it in 10K gold, with much bigger rocks, at Walmart. Instead, we went to D. Geller, who have 14K gold, and actual precious diamonds instead of industrial-quality; and, they're willing to dicker on price. The stones in my ring are tiny, but there are 10 of them (I told him he actually owed me another 10, but he instructed me to bite him), and on my very slender fingers, the slender ring with tiny stones doesn't look weird; it looks delicate, and elegant, and it's of substantially better quality than anything at Walmart -- just like our marriage.
None of those considerations apply when choosing vape gear, EXCEPT, to batteries. For those, I will get the very best quality I can possibly afford, because with confined energy, it does not pay to take chances. Everything else? I'll be looking for bargains, good prices for reasonable value. Kind of like how we drive a Chevy Silverado; it's a good truck, but doesn't cost a fortune.
Andria
None of those considerations apply when choosing vape gear, EXCEPT, to batteries. For those, I will get the very best quality I can possibly afford, because with confined energy, it does not pay to take chances. Everything else? I'll be looking for bargains, good prices for reasonable value. Kind of like how we drive a Chevy Silverado; it's a good truck, but doesn't cost a fortune.
Andria
For me, most of my buying choices, for ANYTHING, are based on money, and/or value. There are a few items that only name-brand, a certain brand, will do -- Twinings English Breakfast Tea, Hellman's mayo. I really can't think of any others than those 2, right offhand, which goes to show you how little I care about name brands. In some cases, value matters somewhat more than actual price, though price still has to be a major consideration, because we're basically poor. My husband bought me a diamond anniversary band for our 20th anniversary; he could have gotten it in 10K gold, with much bigger rocks, at Walmart. Instead, we went to D. Geller, who have 14K gold, and actual precious diamonds instead of industrial-quality; and, they're willing to dicker on price. The stones in my ring are tiny, but there are 10 of them (I told him he actually owed me another 10, but he instructed me to bite him), and on my very slender fingers, the slender ring with tiny stones doesn't look weird; it looks delicate, and elegant, and it's of substantially better quality than anything at Walmart -- just like our marriage.
None of those considerations apply when choosing vape gear, EXCEPT, to batteries. For those, I will get the very best quality I can possibly afford, because with confined energy, it does not pay to take chances. Everything else? I'll be looking for bargains, good prices for reasonable value. Kind of like how we drive a Chevy Silverado; it's a good truck, but doesn't cost a fortune.
Andria
GMC iis a chevy clone
No, this is a Chevy clone.......http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/05/06/china-chevy-colorado-clone/
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.
Chinese Clones - The Story of Soulless and Affordable Cars - autoevolution
I didn't know cloning had been perfected yet!
I didn't know cloning had been perfected yet!
You mean it WASN'T a blue light special?
Speaking of which: Spoon and I hit 15 years today...
i wear rolex sub. yes it's authentic and it has maintenance done at main factory not too long a go. it's coming up for another one. no, i didn't buy it. it was a gift and i love it. but if i had to buy my own watch, i wouldn't buy rolex. there are many copies out there made by different companies that keeps time just as well, if not better. then why do i wear this over priced chunk of metal? because it was a gift. and i need a watch.
same thing applies to mod. if authentic was given to me as a gift, i would use it, but i won't buy one. there are copies that works just as well, if not better at much less coins. it just makes sense.
knives are different. i go camping often. i don't carry expensive knives. i don't have to. there are well made american fixed blade that will do the job. Becker knives are amazing. it's sharpened praybar. i can do anything i need to do. same goes to folders. i rarely baton folders, but if i have to, i carry american made folder that was designed to take abuse.
i buy thing that i can justify spending money on. not sure shiny piece of metal to show off. logo or no logo doesn't make any difference. will they function and function well.
those with money to burn, go ahead get authentic. not my money. i spend my money way i feel justifies the amount of work i put into getting that money.
same thing applies to mod. if authentic was given to me as a gift, i would use it, but i won't buy one. there are copies that works just as well, if not better at much less coins. it just makes sense.
knives are different. i go camping often. i don't carry expensive knives. i don't have to. there are well made american fixed blade that will do the job. Becker knives are amazing. it's sharpened praybar. i can do anything i need to do. same goes to folders. i rarely baton folders, but if i have to, i carry american made folder that was designed to take abuse.
i buy thing that i can justify spending money on. not sure shiny piece of metal to show off. logo or no logo doesn't make any difference. will they function and function well.
those with money to burn, go ahead get authentic. not my money. i spend my money way i feel justifies the amount of work i put into getting that money.
I feel the same way. Although I have a problem with someone making an exact copy of another's device, logo and all, or a copy of another's device if it is uniquely recognizable and selling it at any price. You have a right to your own design and a right to set a price for it. I'm ok with copying, just do your own style and use your own logo. make it different and call it your version. Patent costs to secure rights would be expensive and impossible. That said, I find it difficult to acknowledge that any mod has a justifiable value of more than $80. But as I said before, you have a right to set your price.
I like thinking that Vapes are just like Purses. You can go spend $200 on a mod that is build nearly exactly the same as the other tube mods, Or you can buy the same thing made on an assembly line for $60. The only thing you are losing out on is the maker and quality. You can get a good 1:1 clone from Infinate or you can buy a cheap one from other group. You can go buy a $600 Coach Purse or you can buy a fake one that looks exactly the same for $50. We are not all made of money, we just need something that works and we like.
That being said, I do not own any clones. The Shop I work at has clones and I sell them all day every day. I am far more comfortable selling something that will not break someones bank, than trying to sell someone something that will break them and take food of their tables. For some people Vaping is a hobby. For others it is a tool to get them away from smoking. Anyone who comes in and is a smoker, I am happy they leave knowing they are quitting regardless if they buy authentic, Clone, Pen or box.
Mods are a clone of the first person who made a tube, made a button and made a 510 connection and put it together. They all draw from the same design (Within Reason). They are all just clones of the original design.
That being said, I do not own any clones. The Shop I work at has clones and I sell them all day every day. I am far more comfortable selling something that will not break someones bank, than trying to sell someone something that will break them and take food of their tables. For some people Vaping is a hobby. For others it is a tool to get them away from smoking. Anyone who comes in and is a smoker, I am happy they leave knowing they are quitting regardless if they buy authentic, Clone, Pen or box.
Mods are a clone of the first person who made a tube, made a button and made a 510 connection and put it together. They all draw from the same design (Within Reason). They are all just clones of the original design.
A lot of people seem to think that we buy clones due to wanting to have a copy of the latest design complete with branding & logos, but the fact of the matter is that we only want the performance of the latest design. The majority of us could not care less about whether it has the original logo or a unicorn jumping over a flaming turd on it.
Now, the clone manufacturers can produce their own original designs which tick all of the boxes on the design front, but the difficulty they have in producing these completely original designs is that no one would know about it and would not be searching for it, so despite it being 'the bomb' no one would find it.
This is why clones are so popular, we can search for the known item (with the design & performance we like) and have all of the good things about it for a price that we deem as reasonable.
Advertising is the only thing that the clone (and potential original) manufacturers fall short on. This is changing though due to the nature of the online advertising and the youtube reviewers, which is an inexpensive way to get your product seen by a large amount of people (within the niche) for effectively the cost of sending them your latest product. (This is provided the youtube reviewer is not shady)
So, in conclusion we buy clones simply because they fit both our price and performance needs.
*'We' is used as my interpretation of what I perceive to be the case for the majority of vapers
Now, the clone manufacturers can produce their own original designs which tick all of the boxes on the design front, but the difficulty they have in producing these completely original designs is that no one would know about it and would not be searching for it, so despite it being 'the bomb' no one would find it.
This is why clones are so popular, we can search for the known item (with the design & performance we like) and have all of the good things about it for a price that we deem as reasonable.
Advertising is the only thing that the clone (and potential original) manufacturers fall short on. This is changing though due to the nature of the online advertising and the youtube reviewers, which is an inexpensive way to get your product seen by a large amount of people (within the niche) for effectively the cost of sending them your latest product. (This is provided the youtube reviewer is not shady)
So, in conclusion we buy clones simply because they fit both our price and performance needs.
*'We' is used as my interpretation of what I perceive to be the case for the majority of vapers
I'm going to have to disagree with the first part of this statement. There is a local store here (VaporCraft, Clawson MI) that sells only authentic stuff and appears to be doing quite well, expanding even. Now, I'm not able to see their books, but it appears they are doing very well. Of course this is just one example and they could fold tomorrow for all I know.
And just to be clear - I am not anti-clone. I have some of each but find myself reaching for the authentic mods - if only to make sure I use them enough to justify the cost. I could buy thousands of authentic mods tomorrow if the mood struck me, I just find it very hard to justify spending $200+ on a metal tube. My most expensive mod is a Super-T Simplicity that is fantastic. Perfect fit and finish, amazing threads, great button, hits nicely, but I can't say it's 5x better than my Nemesis clone.
One last thing - I could not care less about the logo on my mod. I have never cared about impressing anyone other than myself. To say that people buy clones to impress others is laughable, at least to me.
Vapor craft now sells clones.
Hammer clones, Kayfun clones. And more.
Legit modders don't make enough inventory to stock multiple stores.
You are mistaken. VaporCraft in Clawson Michigan. No they don't. They are anti-clone. I was just in there last week.
http://vaporcraftecigs.com/
Here is an Interesting Thread ...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...46970-vp-live-discoveries-shenzhen-visit.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...46970-vp-live-discoveries-shenzhen-visit.html
I don't know how much I would believe them, considering on their website they say vape liquid is made of water
I don't know how much I would believe them, considering on their website they say vape liquid is made of water
It is not uncommon for juice manufacturers to thin their VG with distilled water, so it is possible that ejuice may contain water, no?
Either way the point is indisputable: VaporCraft (Clawson Michigan) does not sell clones and their business appears to be thriving.
Unless of course you find a grammatical error on their site, which would prove they really can't be trusted and your argument is solid.
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Well - clones are cheaper and may encourage you to buy the real thing. I don't get clones of a mech mod, though. In fact I don't get mech mods these days. Why live in a cave when you can live in a regulated apartment? Oh, sub-ohm. Personally I value my teeth.
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