I disagree, it is a 1:1 copy including all logos and packaging it is not a clone! It is clearly a counterfeit... to me!
Why Do People Knowingly Buy Clones?
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I disagree, it is a 1:1 copy including all logos and packaging it is not a clone! It is clearly a counterfeit... to me!
Let's put aside the question of logos and falsified country of origin markings for a moment.
Do you guys really not see anything wrong in taking someone else's design, copying down to the most minute detail, and flooding the market with those exactly copies?
Do you guys really not see anything wrong in taking someone else's design, copying down to the most minute detail, and flooding the market with those exactly copies?
No, I don't. Any product on the market would face the same if they A) didn't use the systems in place to protect your goods. Most modders don't, it's on them, B) grossly over charged for their products and thus creating the market for their product being copied in the first place.
If an authentic of a particular style only cost 20% or so more then the clone, then not many would buy the clone unless it was shown to be a better product then the original (as sometimes happens). The reason cloning is soooo prevalent in the vape world lies at the feet of the "authentic" modders. Remember also that these authentics..... They are also copying other earlier designs. Copying is copying, whether it looks exactly the same or not. So where does this "moral high ground" actually stem from?
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If an authentic of a particular style only cost 20% or so more then the clone, then not many would buy the clone unless it was shown to be a better product then the original (as sometimes happens). The reason cloning is soooo prevalent in the vape world lies at the feet of the "authentic" modders. Remember also that these authentics..... They are also copying other earlier designs. Copying is copying, whether it looks exactly the same or not. So where does this "moral high ground" actually stem from?
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To you, and to the English language are different things apparently
Clone = exact copy
Counterfeit = fake passed off as real.
If someone is selling clones as authentics, they are guilty of passing on counterfeit goods (see them on Craigslist all the time... Those people I DO have issue with)
Some people have little in their lives to feel superior about I guess..........
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I noticed the the "metal tube" argument keeps popping up. There is more to vape gear than "metal tubes".
This comes up a lot because some of the most expensive vape gear ($200+ and way upward) is metal tubes. Because of this, it is easy for clone manufacturers to produce identical replicas at low cost.
Granted there is stuff like regulated mods such as the Variant. The authentic of this runs for around $950 and an identical clone can cost around $250. This kind of clone is less popular, however, because there are specific boards and screens that make reproduction costs higher.
1. There is nothing proprietary about any mod, which is why none of these "companies" can get any sort of patent protection.
2. They would need a utility patent, most posters here don't even know what that is, or how difficult it is to get unless you actually designed the patented product.
3. The best way any of these modders can secure protection is a copyrighted logo.
4. Many (most) modders can't even run a simple retail business, and either blow all their money or aren't smart enough to secure a copyright on their logo.
5. Even with a copyright they can't stop cloners, but they could stop US retailers.
6. If there was a significant difference in quality, or a smaller price gap there would be no market for clones.
I do personally, and I refuse to support (knowingly) the pirates and thieves who manufacture these copies, clones, and counterfeits! But that is my take on it!
I wont give my $ to a vape shop who sells clones either... I'll just keep driving!
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