Why I'm fed up with the vape community (mostly)
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read through the whole thread.. thanks for the ongoing commentary, all. great community!
of course there will be fringe elements. you pick anything, and there are fringe elements in it. as has been said though, any regulatory action will be purely about money and power.
Not safety!
the head of the FDA is a big business, Monsanto Lobbyist! if you think they give a hoot about safety or clouds or anything other who ever pays the most to spin this their way, well then more research is called for!
I totally concur that discretion is key regarding the current script kiddie shenanigans approach with sub .2 builds. but it can't be stopped anyway. humans aren't nearly as evolved as the system wants us to think! folks do some dumb a%$ stuff! lol. its ok, the system cannot support unlimited growth anyway! there always will be and needs to be, stuff that culls the herd some!
of course there will be fringe elements. you pick anything, and there are fringe elements in it. as has been said though, any regulatory action will be purely about money and power.
Not safety!
the head of the FDA is a big business, Monsanto Lobbyist! if you think they give a hoot about safety or clouds or anything other who ever pays the most to spin this their way, well then more research is called for!
I totally concur that discretion is key regarding the current script kiddie shenanigans approach with sub .2 builds. but it can't be stopped anyway. humans aren't nearly as evolved as the system wants us to think! folks do some dumb a%$ stuff! lol. its ok, the system cannot support unlimited growth anyway! there always will be and needs to be, stuff that culls the herd some!
My wife still uses a flip phone.
The kids at the Verizon store actually laughed at her.
She's only 45 years old too.
But she doesn't care, because it still gets the job done.
They may not ruin it for the rest of us...
But they most definitely WILL ruin your lawn if you don't keep them off of it.
While the whole cloud chasing sub-ohm stuff isn't my thing, I have to admit that it is pretty interesting.
However, what does bother me is that I believe a lot of younger folks (who were not smokers) are getting into vaping like its a fad, and because it has apparently become a cool thing to do. I believe that this is why vaping has become a larger blip on the FDA radar. I think that will ultimately make things more difficult for people who just want to vape as a replacement for smoking.
However, what does bother me is that I believe a lot of younger folks (who were not smokers) are getting into vaping like its a fad, and because it has apparently become a cool thing to do. I believe that this is why vaping has become a larger blip on the FDA radar. I think that will ultimately make things more difficult for people who just want to vape as a replacement for smoking.
Sounds like everyone is entitled to my opion. Come on live and let live!
What happened to personal accountability?
Funny you posted this. I was at the local B&M shop the other day and experienced pretty much what you described. Young kids (pre-facial hair young) buying mech mods, getting the lady at the store to sub-oum their coils for them, who took 1 toke and coughed their brains out... They could have cared less about battery and vaping safely....
On the way home, I thought about this some... My wife and I went to the vape shop to find something to help us STOP smoking.... It sucks for people like us because, finally, after all these years we find something that is working, is not pills or a patch or a gum or all 3 at the same time. Why were they there? Just to blow clouds. I never really said this, but I can see where vaping might be a gateway for the younger crowd into whatever... 1st its big clouds, next with some nic, then stronger nic, then whatever random substance in the tube....I can see why the FDA wants to regulate it. man I hope a good thing doesnt get ruined...
I wish people understood this helps people break a terrible, horrible habbit / addiction that is slowly killing them and is not just "fun and games" for some. Ecigs in general has the potential to completely change the world for helping smokers stop smoking, a multi billion dollar industry, if somehow... we can just not get into the "dark shadow cast by those"....
Anyhow, opinions :/ Just my share...
On the way home, I thought about this some... My wife and I went to the vape shop to find something to help us STOP smoking.... It sucks for people like us because, finally, after all these years we find something that is working, is not pills or a patch or a gum or all 3 at the same time. Why were they there? Just to blow clouds. I never really said this, but I can see where vaping might be a gateway for the younger crowd into whatever... 1st its big clouds, next with some nic, then stronger nic, then whatever random substance in the tube....I can see why the FDA wants to regulate it. man I hope a good thing doesnt get ruined...
I wish people understood this helps people break a terrible, horrible habbit / addiction that is slowly killing them and is not just "fun and games" for some. Ecigs in general has the potential to completely change the world for helping smokers stop smoking, a multi billion dollar industry, if somehow... we can just not get into the "dark shadow cast by those"....
Anyhow, opinions :/ Just my share...
These are the kids who were going to start smoking in high school, isn't it better that they chose vaping instead?
Maybe interestingly enough to some of you... I DON'T think that people under 18 should be able to use our products. I'm also not crazy about people who never smoked taking up vaping as a cool new hobby. I also don't believe in being able to use my device anywhere I want to, expecting the general public to just accept it. I'm not even really a cloud chaser. I don't participate in cloud contests, push my equipment to unsafe limits, etc, etc. (though my "clouds have gotten quite a bit bigger over the last year, and I DO definitely enjoy that.)
What I take exception to is people saying that we should all be fighting for our right to vape, submitting our FDA comments, (which I did.) and generally advocating for vaping in general, but only if you fit the picture of what vaping should be that I've painted in my head. It just doesn't work that way. It's not for you, your way. It's for everyone who wants to use it unless the law says otherwise. You can't have it both ways.
When I bought my first ego kit, I thought it looked ridiculous. I wanted something that looked like a cigarette, but I did some research and decided to get something with better performance. That is what I've continued to do over the last year. That's what most of us do. If your sweet spot is an ego and a vivi Nova, good on ya. I don't judge you for your paltry vapor production, dry hits, and minimal flavor. Don't judge me for wanting something better for ME.
Also. I talked to every tattoo shop in the country, and we've reached an agreement. Show them your sub ohm build...25% off. (not really)
What I take exception to is people saying that we should all be fighting for our right to vape, submitting our FDA comments, (which I did.) and generally advocating for vaping in general, but only if you fit the picture of what vaping should be that I've painted in my head. It just doesn't work that way. It's not for you, your way. It's for everyone who wants to use it unless the law says otherwise. You can't have it both ways.
When I bought my first ego kit, I thought it looked ridiculous. I wanted something that looked like a cigarette, but I did some research and decided to get something with better performance. That is what I've continued to do over the last year. That's what most of us do. If your sweet spot is an ego and a vivi Nova, good on ya. I don't judge you for your paltry vapor production, dry hits, and minimal flavor. Don't judge me for wanting something better for ME.
Also. I talked to every tattoo shop in the country, and we've reached an agreement. Show them your sub ohm build...25% off. (not really)
Non smokers will never understand why people smoke or why they vape. They represent 80% of the public, so they hold the legislative influence to help government control the habit in public and by limiting the availability of products. If vaping is considered a respectable way to get off the cigarette habit, then they will be on our side.
FDA isn't concerned with sub ohming, IMO. They are being pressed by government to extend the tax revenues from smoking to vaping as the nation transitions. They've gotten ahead of the curve with the current legislation, but I fear that big tobacco is behind the rules that affect the Mom and Pop shops.
BT wants to replace all the cartons in the convenience stores with their cig-a-like electronic cigarette products that keep people coming back for more. They depend on repeat business at the cartridge level.
The point? The more we appear mainstream, the easier it will be to integrate vaping into the group of accepted alternative and healthier products for transition from cigarettes. That depends on how people see vaping in public. Be considerate and vaping will be recognized for what it really is, not as a public spectacle.
FDA isn't concerned with sub ohming, IMO. They are being pressed by government to extend the tax revenues from smoking to vaping as the nation transitions. They've gotten ahead of the curve with the current legislation, but I fear that big tobacco is behind the rules that affect the Mom and Pop shops.
BT wants to replace all the cartons in the convenience stores with their cig-a-like electronic cigarette products that keep people coming back for more. They depend on repeat business at the cartridge level.
The point? The more we appear mainstream, the easier it will be to integrate vaping into the group of accepted alternative and healthier products for transition from cigarettes. That depends on how people see vaping in public. Be considerate and vaping will be recognized for what it really is, not as a public spectacle.
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The comment below was going to be my thought as well. If there were no avenues to buy vaping products, these kids would likely be finding ways to purchase tobacco products. Addiction isn't going anywhere. At least if someone is going to become addicted to nicotine, it's far better they do it with e-cigs, as opposed to leaf tobacco.
Yet another reason why Big Tobacco so wants the FDA to regulate e-cigs. The nerve of those kids not becoming addicted to their products. The nerve indeed.
I'm tatted and young. I treat my ecig like a real cig. there is a lot of respectful people but there is a lot of snobs too.
It's easy to forget, while on a vaping forum, that only a very small % of the population even vapes.....it is just not that big a deal for the general population.
Yeah, but then there'd be less *drama*
There's a select few here who need that, and they will keep finger pointing WITHIN their own community. I have nick-named them GUPPIES. (guppies are notorious for eating their own).
This is great. I will now use that word and make it trendy. Best word of 2014
Since I have started vaping I have stayed exclusively on FB sites such as JJ and CCI, but the younger demographic of membership has ruined it for me. Countless members bragging about blowing clouds in indoor public places, and saying it's only vapor. The total lack of respect for people have turned me off off both those sites.
Roughly 20% of the nation smokes. That's one in five. How many do you see smoking in parking lots when you shop or go out to eat? Not many from my experience. Vapers number much lower, but we are growing. I don't see many vapers and the ones I meet and talk to come up to me because they see me have a vape outside or in a less crowded corner of a store. If I didn't vape in public, I wouldn't meet other vapers. they are in stealth mode, too.
That makes public cloud blowers more conspicuous and since they aren't stealthy, they will be the ones with their video clips in the news. Do we want that to be our image? We've barely gotten past the antifreeze propaganda.
That makes public cloud blowers more conspicuous and since they aren't stealthy, they will be the ones with their video clips in the news. Do we want that to be our image? We've barely gotten past the antifreeze propaganda.
Yeah, but then there'd be less *drama*
I have nick-named them GUPPIES. (guppies are notorious for eating their own).
Yeah, but guppies only eat their own because they're so damn tasty! It's like a bag of chips, if it's open you have to eat one and before you know it they're all gone.
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