Why is ECF full of so many people against subohming?

[CalamityJess]

Ok I don't SO, I won't SO, it's just not my preference. But those that do, and do so accepting the risk and with full knowledge of what can happen...more power to you.

To the OP, one thing.

You may be as knowledgeable as you can be. Know it all and still have an accident that maims or kills you. If you accept that great. HOWEVER. If that accident makes the evening news, the press has a field day. We are under fire from the FDA, state, local and federal governments, all looking to shut down vaping and get us back to smoking cancer sticks or using big pharma's cessation drugs because vaping is taking billions out of their coffers. ANY accidents, any negative press gives them even MORE ammunition against people that have finally beat cigarettes.

They WANT us to smoke. If we smoke, we need medicines to treat the illnesses that come from it. We need healthcare (hi, Obamacare anyone?) which all put money back in THEIR pockets and even controls population. If we want to quit, they want to FORCE us to use THEIR tools that have failure rates equal to cold turkey, and drug interactions that can be lethal. 544 suicides in 5 years for Chantix, that's terrifying. The scars on my arms from the patch and the rashes and welts they caused? No thanks!

Vapers are in the fight of their lives to be able to keep doing what we do. THAT is why people worry about Sub Ohming and safety and risk on ECF. Because every negative loads the canons aimed at the thing we love. We aren't jealous of your clouds. We are worried about losing what we love. What has saved us from tobacco.

 

[Ryedan]

Which is what this thread is REALLY about.
It's not about subohming, and contrary to the title of the thread, ECF is not full of so many people against subohming evidenced by the number of subohmers responding to the thread.

Good point edyle

 

[Zach904]

All safety and knowledge aside... Another possible reason why we see disparity in opinions on sub ohming...

Adults drink moderately and responsibly. They enjoy a glass of wine or two, others prefer a pitcher of beer or a few shots. Then there are those who are reckless, trying to consume as much as possible. Think of the college frat boys guzzling booze down a beer {MODERATED} .....

Adults vape moderately and responsibly. They vape to satisfy a nicotine craving. Some enjoy using mods such as a cig-a-like or an ego. Others prefer using a mech clone or a reo. Then there are those who are reckless, trying to inhale as much vapor as possible. They push the limits of their devices and their lung capacity similar to the way those college frat boys push the limits with their alcohol consumption and methods of delivery.

This is just a thought and I posted to maybe give some insight on possible reasons people dislike sub ohmming. I have yet to try it, I am plenty satisfied with my current vape intake. I think sub ohmming is kinda neat, and Im not really against it. But I also think it shouldn't be done in public areas. Maybe someday, but not during a time when our industry is under such a huge magnifying glass..

 

[KenD]

I think sub ohmming is kinda neat, and Im not really against it. But I also think it shouldn't be done in public areas. Maybe someday, but not during a time when our industry is under such a huge magnifying glass..

I subohm in public (fairly conservative 0.7-0.8 ohms). Except my old clearos - which I don't use anymore - I don't have anything set up above 1 ohm. Subohming doesn't necessarily mean massive clouds though. Mine are fairly moderate, and I'm quite practiced in stealth vaping so I don't actually exhale anything visible if I'm in a place where people might take undue offense.

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[edyle]

So is there anybody against subohm vaping?


Anybody?


Anybody?

 

[215Z]

Speaking of education, why do kids not graduate high school with enough electrical knowledge to sub-ohm safely? That, and not knowing how to file their taxes. Battery powered gadgets will only become more ubiquitous in our childrens lifetimes, and battery safety is something everyone needs to know.

 

[DC2]

But I also think it shouldn't be done in public areas. Maybe someday, but not during a time when our industry is under such a huge magnifying glass..

I'm surprised it took 123 posts before someone said this...

Cloud-chasing in public is obnoxious.
And the people that do it are often obnoxious as well.

That is a very, very bad combination.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Small interjection of advocacy.

I am a qualified electronics engineer...

post a pic of yourself with your degree in one hand and a sign that says "I am Nataani, 5.10.14" in the other.

high resolution only plz

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

The physics of the situation is only exacerbated by those who latch on to "Sub Ohming" as some sort of sport and who dive head-long into something for which they lack the knowledge to pursue. Just two days ago, I answered a question on this very forum where someone was asking the most basic of questions about measuring the resistance of their dual coil setup. The scary part? They were only asking after making a build and having their coils literally catch on fire.

To be fair, that does happen some times when you pulse-fire a low-ohm build in an RDA with the cap off, especially if there is ethyl alcohol in your juice. but I've had it happen with straight PG/VG as well.

no big deal, and usually the cotton isn't even scorched

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

Which is what this thread is REALLY about.
It's not about subohming, and contrary to the title of the thread, ECF is not full of so many people against subohming evidenced by the number of subohmers responding to the thread.

u jelly bro?

 

[catlady60]

I oppose subohming personally--in other words, I wouldn't subohm myself--for two reasons. The first is that my VV/VW mods don't support subohming, and the second is that I'm afraid of the batt literally blowing up in my face.

I vape to satisfy a nic craving without all the tars and toxins from cigs. I personally wouldn't push my PV past its limits.

 

[B1sh0p]

I'm surprised it took 123 posts before someone said this...

Cloud-chasing in public is obnoxious.
And the people that do it are often obnoxious as well.

That is a very, very bad combination.

Which goes completely against your hundreds of posts regarding public vaping. Now you're against it? LOL!

 

[B1sh0p]

I oppose subohming personally--in other words, I wouldn't subohm myself--for two reasons. The first is that my VV/VW mods don't support subohming, and the second is that I'm afraid of the batt literally blowing up in my face.

I vape to satisfy a nic craving without all the tars and toxins from cigs. I personally wouldn't push my PV past its limits.

If you think the battery is actually going to blow up in your face, the propaganda has worked well on you.

If you guys are so concerned with public safety, why don't you oppose egos? They're far more dangerous.

 

[DeadbeatJeff]

All safety and knowledge aside... Another possible reason why we see disparity in opinions on sub ohming...

Adults drink moderately and responsibly. They enjoy a glass of wine or two, others prefer a pitcher of beer or a few shots. Then there are those who are reckless, trying to consume as much as possible. Think of the college frat boys guzzling booze down a beer Boooong .....

Adults vape moderately and responsibly. They vape to satisfy a nicotine craving. Some enjoy using mods such as a cig-a-like or an ego. Others prefer using a mech clone or a reo. Then there are those who are reckless, trying to inhale as much vapor as possible. They push the limits of their devices and their lung capacity similar to the way those college frat boys push the limits with their alcohol consumption and methods of delivery.

This implication kinda bothers me though, Zach

That vaping at low resistance is like binge drinking at a frat party. It's not. It can be like that, if your at a chest-thumping, brah-bumping party / vape fest.

But I have a hard time equating my sitting in my gliding rocking chair, watching Tinkerbell movies with my daughter, and pulling on a 0.3 build with 12mg NET juice... and 19 year-old kids' drinking to impress each other, to the point where they puke from alcohol poisoning and don't even remember what happened last night.

Sub-ohm vaping isn't a thing young people do to impress each other. I mean, no one has ever seen me blow a single cloud except my family. I just really think I get the best vaper with a 0.6-0.7 single-coil build in a 'Fun and maybe a 0.3-0.4 build in a dripper, depending on what I'm after at the moment. It just feels right.

This is just a thought and I posted to maybe give some insight on possible reasons people dislike sub ohmming. I have yet to try it, I am plenty satisfied with my current vape intake. I think sub ohmming is kinda neat, and Im not really against it. But I also think it shouldn't be done in public areas. Maybe someday, but not during a time when our industry is under such a huge magnifying glass..

perhaps

I waffle on this

 

[vlodato]

For home use and novalty its great. Kinda like driving a 10 second car on the street. I would imagine doing it in public places where smoking isnt allowed or is frowned upon can give vaping a bad name tho. I dont feel that way, but i could imagine the general public not acepting clouds. This is coming from a person with an electronics background. My juice vapes great at 10 - 11 watts on 1-2 ohm resistance.

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[tj99959]

post a pic of yourself with your degree in one hand and a sign that says "I am Nataani, 5.10.14" in the other.

high resolution only plz

You will find that there are quite a few with degrees on here.

AND, I can't even imagine a .6 ohm build on a fun with so little air flow.

 

[MorbidToaster]

Hardly build above .3 anymore (since my Raptor fires .3; mechs are lower).

It's just the best vape I've found to date. By quite a wide margin.

Flavor is stellar, it's a nice warm vape, nice airy draw, and I'll admit clouding up a room is fun sometimes.

I was pretty down on vaping until I got my first RDA and went sub-ohm.

 

[zoiDman]

So is there anybody against subohm vaping?


Anybody?


Anybody?

I Am.

But let me Preface that.

I'm against people Sub-Ohming that Do Not Have an Understanding of how to Apply Ohms Law, how to use a DMM and have a Good Understanding of a Batteries Amp Limits.

I am Also Strongly Against B&M Shops that will build a Coil as Low as the Customer Wants. And then send them on their way to use their e-Bay purchased Trustfires in a Mech Mod.

 

[Orobas]

For me, it's simple: because vaping isn't a contest to see who can vape on the lowest resistance. The level of one-upping and bragging and condescension, a prime example being in the OP, is unappealing to the extreme.

 

[txcolt]

I personally don't have a problem with the sub-ohming crowd. My problem is with the fast food, I want it now with little to no effort society we live in today. How many times a day does someone walk into a store and buy an RDA/RBA as their first atty, get a coil built for them, a hand full of supplies and walk out? They leave with no idea that they need to check their coils resistance, or even a clue about battery safety. How many people are walking around with an 18650 battery in their pocket with their keys and no plastic case?

Normally I wouldn't mind too much. I figure a little chlorine in the gene pool is never a bad thing. However, we don't need bad publicity in our arena period. The public is watching us and even worse the media is staring at us. I fear the sub-ohming crowd no more than any other segment of our community. What I do fear is the lazy and the uneducated.