Why is ECF full of so many people against subohming?

[DC2]

Which goes completely against your hundreds of posts regarding public vaping. Now you're against it? LOL!

I said cloud-chasing, not vaping. In other words, vaping in public <> cloud-chasing in public.

 

[B1sh0p]

I said cloud-chasing, not vaping.

Cloud chasing is vaping.

 

[minimalsaint]

Cloud chasing is vaping.

Did you pop into this thread specifically to flame, or do you have something worthwhile to add?

 

[B1sh0p]

Did you pop into this thread specifically to flame, or do you have something worthwhile to add?

You don't like my posts so I'm flaming? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of DC2. He's spent years here chastising people for being against public vaping and now that there's a segment of the community that goes against his narrow view, he's against it.

I'll always point out the hypocrisy of the anti sub ohm contingent. They've exaggerated the dangers of sub ohm vaping since the beginning. Certain posters here have even created battery charts that so inaccurate that it can't be anything less than intentional.

 

[minimalsaint]

You don't like my posts so I'm flaming? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of DC2. He's spent years here chastising people for being against public vaping and now that there's a segment of the community that goes against his narrow view, he's against it.

I'll always point out the hypocrisy of the anti sub ohm contingent. They've exaggerated the dangers of sub ohm vaping since the beginning. Certain posters here have even created battery charts that so inaccurate that it can't be anything less than intentional.

Then, by all means, provide some accurate information including sources. If you claim hypocrisy, then it only seems fair to stand behind your claim with facts, no?
Help to educate your fellow sub-ohmers and give them facts to stand behind.

 

[DC2]

You don't like my posts so I'm flaming? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of DC2. He's spent years here chastising people for being against public vaping and now that there's a segment of the community that goes against his narrow view, he's against it.

What you call hypocrisy I call common sense.

 

[zoiDman]

You don't like my posts so I'm flaming? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of DC2. He's spent years here chastising people for being against public vaping and now that there's a segment of the community that goes against his narrow view, he's against it.

I'll always point out the hypocrisy of the anti sub ohm contingent. They've exaggerated the dangers of sub ohm vaping since the beginning. Certain posters here have even created battery charts that so inaccurate that it can't be anything less than intentional.

I think if You Listened to what he is Saying instead of Hearing what you Want that you would find that he is Not Being Hypocritical.

I have known DC2 for a Long Time. And although we May Not see eye to eye on every issue, about the Last Thing someone could say about DC is that he makes Hypocritical Posts.

 

[DC2]

By the way, I have NEVER advocated vaping in public in a discourteous manner.

 

[B1sh0p]

By the way, I have NEVER advocated vaping in public in a discourteous manner.

So now you're the judge of courtesy?

Btw, I've always been opposed to public/indoor vaping. I'm not going to single out a large part of the community though. I'm not a hippocrite.

 

[betterthanyou]

Small interjection of advocacy.

I am a qualified electronics engineer who abandoned his profession to chase his passion for vaping. [edited]

Not once have i seen an imr battery malfunction. Nor have i ever heard of an imr battery malfunctioning while in use. When the new sony vtc5 batteries came out we load tested 20 of them. They all performed the exact same way. The quality control of these batteries is beyond reproach.

My all day vape, a kayfun on a copper nemesis, runs at 13.5 Watts peak. My drippers run at between 90 and 250 Watts peak. I never build my drippers above 0.2 ohms any more.

Naysayers have a couple of main points against sub ohming:

1) Flavor is muted or better at higher resistance. To this i say you are not only wrong, but dead wrong. I have yet to find a better flavor build than a single strand quad coil at 0.16 ohms built from 24 awg kanthal A-1 at an id of 3mm. Vape a weak apple flavor on that build and it will taste like your biting into a fresh juicy apple. Keep in mind that i have tried hundreds of builds at practically every resistance feasible. If you haven't tried it, which i would assume you haven't if you are so against it, then how would you know?

2) Why do you feel the need to go that low - are you just showing off? When i smoked i used to love hookah, i loved the rush of smoke and large clouds it produced. Dripping sub ohm imitates this experience, and then some. More importantly, i enjoy it - that is reason enough. The competition is fun, but am i going to blow clouds for attention among non sub ohmers? No, put simply, that is just immature.

3) Its dangerous! Wrong. I have done more than write a factory, or listen to a birdy in my ear. I have personally tested my equipment rigorously and can tell you with 100% certainty that what i am doing is perfectly safe.

If i was using batteries which couldn't handle the load, you would be right, but I'm not.

4) Think of the children! I have a 17 year old daughter and can say this with some authority. Kids are going to do whatever they want whether you like it or not. You can preach abstinance all you want but they will still end up doing it in the back of a car somewhere. What makes you think that crying out against sub ohming is going to deter them one iota? The key to these things is the same as it is for all aspects of dealing with young folk - EDUCATE. If they know it can be done, they will attempt to do it, so rather than trying to scare them out of it, which won't work, tell them how to do it safely. Fear tactics without education are a sure fire way to get people to do exactly way your trying to preach against, unsafely.


Sub ohming is the least of my concerns in the vaping community. I am far more concerned with people who throw carries in their pocket with a bunch of change or keys.

nice post. good read

 

[B1sh0p]

Then, by all means, provide some accurate information including sources. If you claim hypocrisy, then it only seems fair to stand behind your claim with facts, no?
Help to educate your fellow sub-ohmers and give them facts to stand behind.

The facts have already been given. Pulsing 30 amp battery's at 30 amps doesn't stress them enough to cause harm. The 30 amp rating is for CDR. The chart was posted by the OP.

 

[tj99959]

You don't like my posts so I'm flaming? I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of DC2. He's spent years here chastising people for being against public vaping and now that there's a segment of the community that goes against his narrow view, he's against it.

I'll always point out the hypocrisy of the anti sub ohm contingent. They've exaggerated the dangers of sub ohm vaping since the beginning. Certain posters here have even created battery charts that so inaccurate that it can't be anything less than intentional.

Ya you're flaming. Did it again in this post.

I've been vaping for quite a while now, and have sub ohm'ed with the best of them. However I still say DON'T DO IT until you learn about it. Being your own "guinea pig" is just not logical in my book.

 

[KenD]

You will find that there are quite a few with degrees on here.

AND, I can't even imagine a .6 ohm build on a fun with so little air flow.

One of my Kayfuns has an 0.63 ohm coil. Was aiming higher, but I guess I missed a wrap. Works great so I haven't felt the need to recoil.

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk

 

[WillyZee]

I don't always sub-ohm vape at .1 ... but when I do ... I prefer to be indulging in extreme binge drinking

 

[DC2]

So now you're the judge of courtesy?

I think everyone is the judge of courtesy, unfortunately some people are extremely bad at it.

 

[minimalsaint]

The facts have already been given. Pulsing 30 amp battery's at 30 amps doesn't stress them enough to cause harm. The 30 amp rating is for CDR. The chart was posted by the OP.

HM. If all we need to know about sub-ohming is that a 30A battery can handle 30A pulses, then what is everyone so worried about? I don't know..... I always thought there was more to it than that.

 

[Nikkita6]

Jealousy...

There's been a lot of misinformation about battery safety as well.

? ... what is more ridiculous than even the comment itself, is that you might actually believe that

 

[B1sh0p]

HM. If all we need to know about sub-ohming is that a 30A battery can handle 30A pulses, then what is everyone so worried about? I don't know..... I always thought there was more to it than that.

There's been a lot of misinformation provided on the forum about battery safety. There was a battery rating chart made by some members that was posted a lot. It was almost completely inaccurate. Battery ratings are given with CDR in mind. CDR is usually defined as firing for at least 30 seconds, which we never do. Pulse ratings are up 2 times the CDR rating.

I'm not saying people should run out and build a 1.1 quad coil. I'm not sure why anyone would even enjoy the vape. Generally though, vapers are far within their batteries limits. Right now, I'm vaping a 10.5 amp rated 18350 on a .65 ohm coil without even the slightest bit of worry of venting.

Obviously everyone should know the limits of their equipment, but the idea that sub ohming is inherently dangerous is just in accurate. Egos left on chargers are so much more dangerous, but nobody really bats an eye about the thousands of ego batteries running around.

 

[zoiDman]

HM. If all we need to know about sub-ohming is that a 30A battery can handle 30A pulses, then what is everyone so worried about? I don't know..... I always thought there was more to it than that.

Yeah... And that is Also Based on the Specs of the Battery being Exactly what the Physical Batteries Does in the Real World.

Not Say'n that a Batteries Specs might be a Tad Overinflated. Or that the Cells Underneath the Wrapper Aren't even Close to what they Are Supposed to be.

Just Say'n

 

[B1sh0p]

? ... what is more ridiculous than even the comment itself, is that you might actually believe that

It was meant to be in jest.