Why is ECF full of so many people against subohming?

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DeadbeatJeff

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I've never seen a Nemesis without 2 springs and I've seen a lot. What happened was the firing pin was too loose. When you went to unscrew the button, it fell out. I highly doubt the spring broke and even if it did, the button wouldn't fall apart. People need to understand their equipment. The Nemesis works with flat tops, but was probably designed with button tops in mind. Like you said, it was an accident. Live and learn.

yeah, that is what happened, cause looking at the spring now that it's not 4:00am, it doesnt look broken.

What was that little spring for? Where does it go? Just with the other one?

Just got the thing a few days ago and never fully broke-down the mechanism.

but the point is proven, I think, that accidents can happen that would be very dangerous with certain builds. Had replaced the batter many times and then all of a sudden the pin came out and caused that.
 

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As to building them - I really don't care. It is your life/Face/Hand or what ever. Do with it as you please.

My only gripe is people that feel the need to drag the beast out in public just to see the shock and Awe from people that have no clue what is happening.

Yep, that is just what the vaping community needs...............................
 

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So your telling me vaping your juice at a (compared to most users) extreme temperature taste best? I just think maybe adjusting his juice might be more helpfull then vaping a .5ohms. I like them 1-2 ohm 10-11 watt range. Again im not trying to insult. But i feel like people do it for fun which is fine. To say juice tastes best at over 20 watts is not normal imo.

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But, honestly, It actually does some times.

...and you're telling me a 0.8 build is "not normal"? for what, a standard VV/VW? maybe, i guess.

but mechs taste better from the off 'cause of the constant current, and TBH I dig a 0.7 in a Fun WAY more than a 1.2
 

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On March 27 you asked these quite basic questions, which tells me that you're not nearly as experienced as you claim:



In April you're talking about your 3 ohm (I guess you meant 0.3) quad coil, which was built for you at the vape ship. Again, you're not very experienced.

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This is by far, my favorite post in this entire thread. The only thing that could make it better is a response from the OP. Kudos to Ken
 

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I don't sub-ohm, I am one who will admit I don't understand ohms , etc so I don't mess with that. but I still have opinions

I can tell if it is dead shorted. And I never have dead shorts, because I am careful with coil placement.

I am way older than you and I have learned to never say never!

Yeah you are right. So dangerous that responsible vapors have been doing this for years without incident. ........................

ummm, I've been on the forum since jan 2011. during that year low resistance attys (not rebuildable) came around. so sub-ohming MIGHT have been around for a couple of years...not YEARS.....

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To the OP, one thing.

You may be as knowledgeable as you can be. Know it all and still have an accident that maims or kills you. If you accept that great. HOWEVER. If that accident makes the evening news, the press has a field day. We are under fire from the FDA, state, local and federal governments, all looking to shut down vaping and get us back to smoking cancer sticks or using big pharma's cessation drugs because vaping is taking billions out of their coffers. ANY accidents, any negative press gives them even MORE ammunition against people that have finally beat cigarettes.

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Vapers are in the fight of their lives to be able to keep doing what we do. THAT is why people worry about Sub Ohming and safety and risk on ECF. Because every negative loads the canons aimed at the thing we love. We aren't jealous of your clouds. We are worried about losing what we love. What has saved us from tobacco.

AMEN and thanks for posting that. I was going to post the same thing, but you said it much better. I don't care if you (the generic sub-ohming, taking chances you) blow yourself up. I don't know you, I don't love you, I don't care. but I DO care that you might ruin MY right to vape legally.

and I have to say, I am seriously wondering how old some of the posters on this thread are!
 

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Cloud chase for flavor? Thats like saying you binge eat for tasting food. If you need over 12 amps to get flavor then your juice sucks. Cloud chase all day but dont tell me its for flavor

Taste is subjective and I'm quite sure none of the cloud chasers who've posted in this thread are shaking their heads thinking "he got me there...the cats out of the bag..." I know lots of cloud chasers who prefer the flavor they get from their set ups as opposed to my regular set up. which is 1.2 ohms in a kayfun on a ProVari. ....

If you use a juice with 10% flavoring, and use 5 time the mL of juice when you sub-ohm, you're inhaling 5 times the amount of the flavorings in the juice. Come on it's not rocket science.....:p

If you drink shots at 20 proof, and someone else drinks the same number of shots at 100 proof, who do you want to drive home?___:laugh:
 

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If you use a juice with 10% flavoring, and use 5 time the mL of juice when you sub-ohm, you're inhaling 5 times the amount of the flavorings in the juice. Come on it's not rocket science.....:p

If you drink shots at 20 proof, and someone else drinks the same number of shots at 100 proof, who do you want to drive home?___:laugh:

The nearest cab driver.
 

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And I get those kinds of comments? And a moderator moving my thread to the 'not advised' section? ...?

Just curious about this....

I'm curious too, are you aware of the fact that this bill is about to pass? Have you responded to CASAA's Call to Action? Have you contacted the Committee? Made phone calls? Faxed your comments to them? Joined (donated to) CASAA?

CASAA: Call to Action! California Ban on Internet Sales (AB 1500) and Ban on E-Cigarette Usage (SB 648)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-shipping-bill-ab1500-assigned-committee.html

Have you heard of the FDA Deeming Regulations?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ponding-fda-deeming-proposal-please-wait.html

Have you seen recent attacks on e-cigs in the press and on TV?

I'm not against sub-ohming, so long as you have health insurance so we, California taxpayers, don't have to pay for your care should something go wrong, God forbid. And so long as you don't provide any more ammunition to ANTZ who are scouring these boards for more evidence of possible dangers of vaping.

Have you heard of Prue Talbot and her Internet-based research papers? She was quoted again in the recent NYT anti-vaping article.
 

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Damnnnnnnn I wish you had time. I can literally hear what you'd say in my head. **double foot stomp** !!

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:laugh: Here's what though, I am sure there is a post somewhere around here where I did in fact "take the time" ... to no avail mind you. :p Something about the definition of insanity stopped me. :laugh:
 

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For me, it's simple: because vaping isn't a contest to see who can vape on the lowest resistance. The level of one-upping and bragging and condescension, a prime example being in the OP, is unappealing to the extreme.



It's YouTube videos like this one which draws the ignorant and uneducated non-vapers into sub-ohming. Their only priority is to make the Big Clouds, and the vast majority are not interested in learning the basics of mod & battery safety, Ohm's law basics, learning how to use an ohm reader, recognizing shorts, etc. They don't have a clue that if not used responsibly they could be holding a firecracker in their hand.

Add to this the growing number of vape shops who are selling novices their first e-cig device consisting of a mechanical mod with a sub-ohm coil that they made for the customer, with no instructions or precautions...only to go home and make some clouds. Some of these setups have been with inappropriate batteries. This is negligence.

Then these same customers come to ECF asking why their hot spring keeps collapsing, or why their mod and/or their batteries are getting too hot to hold. Ask them the resistance of their coil, and they say they don't know, the salesperson made the coil for them or they don't own an ohm reader.

One customer asked the shop salesman to make a 1 ohm coil for his new RBA because he knew he didn't have the correct batteries for sub-ohms. He brought the RBA home and checked the coil with his own multimeter and the coil measured out at 0.2 ohms. The customer was beyond angry.
 

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It's YouTube videos like this one which draws the ignorant and uneducated non-vapers into sub-ohming. Their only priority is to make the Big Clouds, and the vast majority are not interested in learning the basics of mod & battery safety, Ohm's law basics, learning how to use an ohm reader, recognizing shorts, etc. They don't have a clue that if not used responsibly they could be holding a firecracker in their hand.

Add to this the growing number of vape shops who are selling novices their first e-cig device consisting of a mechanical mod with a sub-ohm coil that they made for the customer, with no instructions or precautions...only to go home and make some clouds. Some of these setups have been with inappropriate batteries. This is negligence.

Then these same customers come to ECF asking why their hot spring keeps collapsing, or why their mod and/or their batteries are getting too hot to hold. Ask them the resistance of their coil, and they say they don't know, the salesperson made the coil for them or they don't own an ohm reader.

One customer asked the shop salesman to make a 1 ohm coil for his new RBA because he knew he didn't have the correct batteries for sub-ohms. He brought the RBA home and checked the coil with his own multimeter and the coil measured out at 0.2 ohms. The customer was beyond angry.


Interesting thing about this whole subΩ thing--those clouds in my avi--just like the clouds this guy in the video is blowing were done using my REO with 50/50 juice at 1.6Ω's. THAT'S definitely not subΩ vaping yet the clouds are doable without going there.

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That video cracks me up. Stand under some lights in front of a mirror, grab any mod you have, rip a huge lung hit and blow it toward the light. You have just reproduced this video and you too can be a YouTube cloud chaser without really even trying.
I found out quite some time ago that airflow is more important than resistance where vapor production is concerned.
 

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Yes...I have been experimenting like a mad scientist...did sub...low...medium..etc....I am currently getting fantastic taste, warmth,density with very careful wicking, proper airflow, coil pacement and the right RDA.....and I'm doing it over 2.2 ohms ....as high as 2.8 with a single coil and a 20 watt mod working 15 to 18 watts. Seriously....
 

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It's YouTube videos like this one which draws the ignorant and uneducated non-vapers into sub-ohming. Their only priority is to make the Big Clouds, and the vast majority are not interested in learning the basics of mod & battery safety, Ohm's law basics, learning how to use an ohm reader, recognizing shorts, etc. They don't have a clue that if not used responsibly they could be holding a firecracker in their hand.

Add to this the growing number of vape shops who are selling novices their first e-cig device consisting of a mechanical mod with a sub-ohm coil that they made for the customer, with no instructions or precautions...only to go home and make some clouds. Some of these setups have been with inappropriate batteries. This is negligence.

Then these same customers come to ECF asking why their hot spring keeps collapsing, or why their mod and/or their batteries are getting too hot to hold. Ask them the resistance of their coil, and they say they don't know, the salesperson made the coil for them or they don't own an ohm reader.

One customer asked the shop salesman to make a 1 ohm coil for his new RBA because he knew he didn't have the correct batteries for sub-ohms. He brought the RBA home and checked the coil with his own multimeter and the coil measured out at 0.2 ohms. The customer was beyond angry.

Yeah, Bad, it's a definite problem with vape shops out there. I went into one and asked the owner -- not just some kid working there, but the owner -- what the amp ratings were of a specific battery they sell (though I knew) and he said, and I quote, "that's a good question." I thought, "Really?! Knowing the answer to the question is even better than the question!"
 
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Yes...I have been experimenting like a mad scientist...did sub...low...medium..etc....I am currently getting fantastic taste, warmth,density with very careful wicking, proper airflow, coil pacement and the right RDA.....and I'm doing it over 2.2 ohms ....as high as 2.8 with a single coil and a 20 watt mod working 15 to 18 watts. Seriously....

So imagine this....
OP is running .11 ohms. On a fresh battery that is 38 Amps and..... Wait for it..... 160 Watts. Yeow.
Different strokes and all!
 
What type of meter are you using that you are confident that your 0.11 ohm setup is 0.11 ohms and not, say 0.08 or 0.06 or 0.15? Just curious :)

'Cause 'Joe Blow' may see your post and pull out his Harbor Freight MM, build a similar setup and measure it at 0.11; but it may actually be 0.01 :D

im not against subohming but this is a great point. I do HVAC work all day every day so I have a GOOD multimiter. Fluke 289 true RMS logging multimeter and even tho its great you have to understand that ALL multimeters have a variance factor. if you find one that doesn't, let me know and im gonna put in a purchase order request to the owner of my company.
 

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So imagine this....
OP is running .11 ohms. On a fresh battery that is 38 Amps and..... Wait for it..... 160 Watts. Yeow.
Different strokes and all!
Yeah...but I'm a 55 year old retired engineer......rather try to use finese than brute force. More elegant, safer, and my battery lasts for hours and hours with the same vape at the end of all that time as the very first one. But....whatever... ;)
 

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im not against subohming but this is a great point. I do HVAC work all day every day so I have a GOOD multimiter. Fluke 289 true RMS logging multimeter and even tho its great you have to understand that ALL multimeters have a variance factor. if you find one that doesn't, let me know and im gonna put in a purchase order request to the owner of my company.

I work with heater bands and thermocouples at work on my 520v extruder. Wouldn't use anything but a Fluke. Not a chance I'd use a Harbour Freight or Fast Tech special multimeter with something which could vent and release energy near my face...
 
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