Does anyone else think this wise guy may have given her a problem before? Her manner of handling this just seems too good to be true. Maybe he's been a creep to some other nice decent employees in the past.
Written up at work for vaping off the clock...
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dude...badass. im glad it worked out for you. now thats a great feeling of victory
Glad to hear this. And I agree with Buggs not only nicely handled by yourself but also by your DM.
Did you sign the write-up?
A PV is a nicotine delivery device so...live and learn.
What's more important, your job or you 'being right' in your behavior.
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Very glad you fought it (went over your boss' head) and won. The retraction of the write-up was the main issue in this and having that removed is very good news.
But sucks for the vaping community that this device is to be treated no different than a cigarette and to be relegated to the parts of society where cigarettes are used. And that (some of) us vapers are 'perfectly fine with this.'
This thread is a sign that some little battles can be won. Yes they can. But the larger war is perhaps already over and we are perfectly fine with that. Unless we aren't.
But sucks for the vaping community that this device is to be treated no different than a cigarette and to be relegated to the parts of society where cigarettes are used. And that (some of) us vapers are 'perfectly fine with this.'
This thread is a sign that some little battles can be won. Yes they can. But the larger war is perhaps already over and we are perfectly fine with that. Unless we aren't.
Unfortunately these kind of people seem to rise to supervisory positions. I would file a grievance and try to stack like the policy is not reflecting the crime.
Unless this is your occupation for life I would not worry to much about it.
Unless this is your occupation for life I would not worry to much about it.
from what i have read thus far , and my experiences in retail management i say this...
If you have signed the writeup(it seems you may have). its done and over, and you need to move on. However... get yourself a copy of the company's smoking policy and read it. Then forward some of the casaa information along with your interpretation of what happened to HR. Tell them what you are doing contains nicotine but no tobacco of any kind. Don't just give HR a web address, mail them multiple copies of everything casaa has. The best possible way you can explain this is in a manner that the company could possibly open them selves up to law suits for not having a policy protecting its employees who chose to use E cigs as a NRT. What lawsuits? wrongful termination lawsuits would come to mind. Let them know how much you love this company and wish to continue your employment here but are concerned because of your bosses reaction. People that are trying to find nicotine replacement or cessation devices all will face this same issue. Tell them how good it would look for their company to adopt a policy regarding e cigs and show their support to their employees by eliminating tobacco from their lives.
even after all that you must understand, in corporate america you still will not be allowed to vape on company property. They simply wont allow it because the look of it to other customers. Store closed, off the clock or not, it wont matter. What you did was irresponsible and you got caught. But your boss was also wrong in writing you up for tobacco usage. Your company may not have any rules for or against vaping but you honestly should not be doing it inside the store. If i were your manager i would NOT have written you up for that incident. But i would have given you a written warning regarding the use of that inside the store.
If you have signed the writeup(it seems you may have). its done and over, and you need to move on. However... get yourself a copy of the company's smoking policy and read it. Then forward some of the casaa information along with your interpretation of what happened to HR. Tell them what you are doing contains nicotine but no tobacco of any kind. Don't just give HR a web address, mail them multiple copies of everything casaa has. The best possible way you can explain this is in a manner that the company could possibly open them selves up to law suits for not having a policy protecting its employees who chose to use E cigs as a NRT. What lawsuits? wrongful termination lawsuits would come to mind. Let them know how much you love this company and wish to continue your employment here but are concerned because of your bosses reaction. People that are trying to find nicotine replacement or cessation devices all will face this same issue. Tell them how good it would look for their company to adopt a policy regarding e cigs and show their support to their employees by eliminating tobacco from their lives.
even after all that you must understand, in corporate america you still will not be allowed to vape on company property. They simply wont allow it because the look of it to other customers. Store closed, off the clock or not, it wont matter. What you did was irresponsible and you got caught. But your boss was also wrong in writing you up for tobacco usage. Your company may not have any rules for or against vaping but you honestly should not be doing it inside the store. If i were your manager i would NOT have written you up for that incident. But i would have given you a written warning regarding the use of that inside the store.
Thats awesome! Im so glad to hear that the situation ended this way. I still think I would piss in his coffee cup tomorrow!
That is so awesome you got the write-up retracted! It's good for upper management to know how managers are treating their employees, so that people aren't abused by them, and can be reprimanded and fired if gone too far. These little incidents will stack up against your boss if he ever goes too far.
People who don't want to "rock the boat," don't realize that we are pioneers in this young industry and sitting back and doing nothing will just hurt us in the end. That's why we have CASAA and AEMSA. These organizations were created by vapers to defend us against ignorance and to improve the health of smokers everywhere. And, they wouldn't be able to fight without the help of all of us.
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People who don't want to "rock the boat," don't realize that we are pioneers in this young industry and sitting back and doing nothing will just hurt us in the end. That's why we have CASAA and AEMSA. These organizations were created by vapers to defend us against ignorance and to improve the health of smokers everywhere. And, they wouldn't be able to fight without the help of all of us.
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Sorry, as usual, I am late in the game. I would have lied and said it has no nicotine. What are they going to do? Ask for a sample to CSI? Keep a bottle or buy a couple of carts of zero to keep in car or purse, or pocket, pre fill with nic 
Thing is you can't prove what's in the juice. I believe the mgr was operating within his job description. He works for the same company and is obligated to follow company policy. So are you. He's there to see that you do. Think of it this way: He lets one employee pass with an "unknown and unverifiable substance" and he has to let everyone do likewise. Would you, as a coworker, want him to do that? This is exactly, other than corruption, what has brought local, State and Federal eagle-eyes on vaping. Illegal substances are being used in PVs. Those have spoiled it for all of us. I expect the FDA and local authorities to pass laws involving the use of colorants to define contents. They'll get creative but that's just one possibility as its been used with medications. If or when something like that happens then you would have had a leg to stand on perhaps. IE: If your juice was clear = no nic. If it was lime green = 12mg nic. If it was fusia = 24mg nic. As for complaining, its pointless to do so to him. As I said, he was just doing his job. If you do complain, do it to corporates who make the rules he has to follow.
Edit: sorry, I didn't read the whole thread.
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Congratulations! You show a perfect example of how one person speaking up can make a big difference. This is not only a win for you, but for other vapers who may be in your store's district. The district manager has now been educated and will hopefully pass on her knew education about e-cigarettes to other district managers and upper management. Your little pebble could make some big, beneficial ripples. I hope you are a member of CASAA!
I would say congrats however I don't foresee you being employed there 3 months from now. Boss will have you under a microscope so I wouldn't be even 30 seconds late to work, back from lunch or even stray from any company policy or metric.
Wow!! That's great news. Thanks for the update.
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