You haven't really quit...
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And that is all that matters. We are doing what is right for us. It may not be the best way for someone else. Do you see any of us telling a gum chewer or a patch wearer that they "might as well just quit"? No, because it isn't our business to judge others and what they do.
not all in the health insurance industry (as distinct from health care practitioners e.g. nurses and doctors) are quite so focused on patient outcomes as the determinant. For example, when confronted by a life insurance /health insurance questionaire supposedly evaluating longevity a very common question is not "have you used any product containing tobacco in the past year, 5 years etc" but rather "have you used any product containing nicotine in the past year." as a benficiary /victim of previos NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) products in ths past I can often say i haven't used tobacco but gum, lozenges, inhalers, and now e-cigs have always been an on and off reality in my using history.
that said as a 24 mg user i am looking forward to buying interesting low nicotine flavor combinations and reducing my nic intake --i only really crave a few times/situations in a day and i think with a more flexible nicotine delivery vehicle i will eventually find a dosage level that works and has minimal health impacts. (right now i tend to get a bit hyper in the evening when i would never drink a cup of coffee)--pure nicotine is much more stimulating than the tarball that analogs put out and i think i can easily cut my nicotine in half as soon as i get some of the technical problems with atomizers and batteries and charging and all that worked out.
anyway--all my relatives and co-workers have been supportive of my latest adventure in harm reduction and even in hyper sensitive hyper health state of California i have yet to have a person come up to me and ask me to stop vaping--even in restaurants, theaters, playgrounds and workplaces where i would have been mugged before.
i do go a bit stealth at times (hiding the led indicator) but for people who care about my actual health--they are actually thrilled.
may i imagine that perhaps your SIL doesn't have your best interests at heart but is running some other agenda--just a thought--ignore if inappropriate
onward!
that said as a 24 mg user i am looking forward to buying interesting low nicotine flavor combinations and reducing my nic intake --i only really crave a few times/situations in a day and i think with a more flexible nicotine delivery vehicle i will eventually find a dosage level that works and has minimal health impacts. (right now i tend to get a bit hyper in the evening when i would never drink a cup of coffee)--pure nicotine is much more stimulating than the tarball that analogs put out and i think i can easily cut my nicotine in half as soon as i get some of the technical problems with atomizers and batteries and charging and all that worked out.
anyway--all my relatives and co-workers have been supportive of my latest adventure in harm reduction and even in hyper sensitive hyper health state of California i have yet to have a person come up to me and ask me to stop vaping--even in restaurants, theaters, playgrounds and workplaces where i would have been mugged before.
i do go a bit stealth at times (hiding the led indicator) but for people who care about my actual health--they are actually thrilled.
may i imagine that perhaps your SIL doesn't have your best interests at heart but is running some other agenda--just a thought--ignore if inappropriate
onward!
...because you're still taking in nicotine. So says my smoking SIL. *sigh*Will the ignorance never end? Would you call a snuff or chew user a smoker?? Gah.
Share your frustrating misconceptions!
I casually brought this up to my husband last night.... He says that yes I am still a smoker because I am still getting nicotine. I brought up those who use the patch. He said no they are not smokers because it isnt going into their mouth. So I brought up those who chew gum, and he said no, they are not smokers, because it isnt being taken into their lungs.
There is no winning with this guy.
The friend "just quit." Let's see how long that lasts compared to you switching to ecigs!Yup, that seems to be the general consensus from both smokers and former smokers alike.
I just had a friend of mine tell me tonight: I have another friend who just quit smoking too Cold Turkey - that's how YOU should've done it.
To me that is just garbage because:
A) I tried cold turkey and it didn't work
B) Why should I suffer going Cold Turkey when I don't have to?
This is the whole reason I started the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...sions/77651-stop-saying-you-quit-smoking.html thread.
People equate inhaling nicotine as still smoking. Doesn't matter that there is "no smoke."
People should start being coached that recreational nicotine is no worse than heavy coffee/caffeinated soda drinkers.
By emphasizing the fact that you "switched to vaping" vs. "quit smoking" it starts training people that nicotine is OK & vaping is just as an acceptable practice as drinking coffee - it's tobacco cigarettes that are bad, not inhaling nicotine.
If you say "I switched to vaping" vs. "I quit smoking" it invites people to ask, "Why is that better?" instead of arguing "You haven't really quit."
In a sense, this is just splitting hairs. I prefer to be more honest with myself.
Have I quit smoking? Well, yes and no... it's not smoking, but it's not quiting either.
Is using an eCig better for me than smoking? Yes, I'm pretty sure it is.
Is using an eCig better than not doing it at all? Nope, couldn't possibly be.
Have I quit smoking? Well, yes and no... it's not smoking, but it's not quiting either.
Is using an eCig better for me than smoking? Yes, I'm pretty sure it is.
Is using an eCig better than not doing it at all? Nope, couldn't possibly be.
I don't know that I'd bother arguing the point - if it's really that important to someone to classify all nicotine use as "smoking" then whatever. Assuming it's just their own moral judgment and not a regulatory decision, that is.
I wouldn't say I "quit smoking" anyway, but that wasn't really my goal. I LIKED smoking, I just like vaping more.
I wouldn't say I "quit smoking" anyway, but that wasn't really my goal. I LIKED smoking, I just like vaping more.
Actually, it could be.
PG has been shown to be an excellent antimicrobial/antibacterial/antifungal agent.
It may very well help keep you from getting sick.
Air Sanitizers | Pesticides | US EPA
I'm not saying it is better than not doing it, I'm just arguing that to say it couldn't possibly be better than not doing it seems just as incorrect at this point as saying it is can't possibly be harmful.
Smoker is an individual that smells of the product, in plain words they STINK. I know I have been there, my car still has a faint order of my old habit, hoping the new habit will soon take over. I go into a store, and I now can smell someone who has smoked. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, how did they put up with me. I worked for many many years in a hospital emergency room, when I came in, my family said I smelled just like a hospital, yet I didn't smell what they say I smelled like. Long and short of it, we are not smokers, just vapers. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
Been vaping now going on 4 months, and I have reduced to the lowest nic level, most of my juice is around 6 to 8, and some have nil. Works just fine. Don't even think about the weeds. I'm loving it.
Yes, it can possibly be: Therapeutic Uses of Nicotine - Wikipedia
The one applicable to me: Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder
Their moral judgement affects regulatory decision - or haven't you noticed?
Getting people to accept vaping as no worse than drinking coffee is an important step to the future of vaping.
If they think of it as a way to quit smoking, it's just a necessary evil rather than a valid activity and they'll expect you to eventually quit vaping, as well.
Exactly, so why continue to associate it with smoking by emphasizing that vaping helped us "quit smoking?"
The point of each activity is to recreationally inhale nicotine. One happens to be much safer and healthier for us.
did we do it for what other people thought of us or for our own good? Why do we need to "tout" that we quit smoking to other people and allow them to confuse ecigs as smoking cessation devices? We didn't quit our nicotine habit - just how we get it. We need to get this method accepted as a PC way to keep getting nicotine - not as a way to get off smoking.
Their moral judgement affects regulatory decision - or haven't you noticed?
A depressingly valid point.
Excellent point. I was at a family party yesterday and my mother mentioned how I had quit smoking. Knowing how hard core a smoker I was my aunt was amazed and asked me when was the last time I had a cigarette and I responded: "two weeks ago"
Her second question: "now how long are you going to be on that (pointing to my ecig).
My response: I don't ever intend to "quit this"
And she started blabbering on about how when she quit smoking . . .
I then brought up the therapeutic aspects of nicotine, how it's really now worse for you than caffeine and she rolled her eyes at me and I just removed myself from the situation because I knew if I got into it with her it would end with me strangling her.
I was reminded of the quote:
Get real. We're not talking about some nebulus ingestion of nicotine. We're talking about inhaling vapor as opposed to NOT inhaling vapor. The fact that there are ingredients in that vapor that get absorbed by the lungs only serves to strenghten my point.
I didn't expect this to make me Mr. Popularity here. If you want to do use an eCig, go ahead... I do. But, please do not try to run the line on me that doing so is better for you than not doing it.
Wow.... Curb check the attitude please. This is saving lives, nicotine has been proven to help people, and I can personally say that yes, this is like a Nebulizer. A nebulizer is inhailed. It delivers medicine into the lungs. What does an E-Cig do? It delivers nicotine into the lungs which are absorbed. Same thing. As a matter of fact I had a patient back in 2001 who was given nicotine to put into his nebulizer to help with his nicotine cravings, and to prevent him from smoking. I had to assist in the distribution of this medication before he went to bed each night.
Also Nicotine has been shown to help people with ADHD, Parkinsons, and Alzheimers. If you cant even do the research, and see the facts for yourself... then you are no better than the kooks who think that they are going to die from second hand vapor, or that this is marketed towards children.
I pity you greatly for your ignorance.
My comments basically have nothing to do with the nicotine content. But even so, BTW, how many of the folks here using eCigs are doing so for medical reasons (other than the obvious health benefit of not smoking cigarettes)? It's a way to not smoke. Period. That's why I use one. But I do not suffer from delusions that it's actually good for me... just not as bad for me as smoking.
All I'm asking is for you folks to stop justifying on false pretenses and realize that what we're doing is better than smoking, but not better than doing neither. Actually, that's wrong. I'm not asking you to do that. Go ahead if you want to. Just do not try to force that nonsense on me.
Tell me, do you think inhaling from an eCig is better for you than NOT inhaling from one? Forget the nicotine. There are plenty of other ways it can be delivered. Do you think inhaling the vapor, let's day 0mg vapor, is better for you than NOT inhaling it?
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