Nicotine is actually useful for people with concentration issues, anxiety, pain, and depression. Considering that I have all of these I could switch from using nicotine to control them, and I could take a whole bunch of pills that have pages of side effects listed in the PDR. I've got a copy of the PDR and I always look at it when given new meds. Often the side effects are more scary than the problem. I'll stick with the nicotine. It makes my life manageable without adding a whole lot of other symptoms that I would then have to treat. I like the fact that I'm down to 2 every day meds and 2 that I use when needed. I used to be on so many things that I'd have to save room after a meal to be able to take all of them. So I choose to take my medicine in a tasty way that I enjoy and that keeps me from satisfying my hand to mouth urges with snacking.
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If they won't play nice, it's game on.
I don't ask for others approval and really could care less about a persons immenseness, or bulkitude. . It's theirs to deal with but fair is fair when I get called down on my habits and what others consider healthy for me. I'm a big boy, and mama taught me to think for myself, without the help of others. Don't need a Nanny. Gov't or individual.
I'm not normally a rude person. Quite the opposite, but don't push my buttons or it's fair to retaliate. And I never do retaliate in the same strength, as the attack, but i get the point out swift and direct.
Fair?
Pork
If they won't play nice, it's game on.
I don't ask for others approval and really could care less about a persons immenseness, or bulkitude. . It's theirs to deal with but fair is fair when I get called down on my habits and what others consider healthy for me. I'm a big boy, and mama taught me to think for myself, without the help of others. Don't need a Nanny. Gov't or individual.
I'm not normally a rude person. Quite the opposite, but don't push my buttons or it's fair to retaliate. And I never do retaliate in the same strength, as the attack, but i get the point out swift and direct.
Fair?
Pork
OP here.... I actually forgot about this thread, but was Sunday morning surfing the site and found it still going strong. It's funny how in a little over a week my opinion of what I posted originally has changed. Of all the responses here, I think I most agree with Popeye. I'm not a real quitter. After a particularly stressful situation with my teenager, I found myself totally "jonesing"....for my pv. I "needed" a hit before I killed that child. I'm still an addict. I may have quit cigs, but my addiction is alive and well. Do I still feel good about the change? Absolutely! But I still need it. I can't put this thing down. I haven't had even 1 analog in over 60 days. I can't see myself going back. But I don't think I'll proudly proclaim myself a non-smoker anymore. I didn't catch the name of who said it, but I liked the comment that said their pv was an "anti-smoking device". Until I can deal with stress internally and not need a device, a crutch, whatever....i really haven't quit. My name is bander68 and i'm an addict. But at least i'm saving a boatload of money and not killing myself with my addiction.
Coming from someone who has depression, migraines, and incredible concentration issues, that is pure BS. My mother also suffers from SEVERE depression and migraines and nicotine is not useful at all.
My girlfriend has anxiety and just started taking medicine for it, she's been smoking for 7 years and nicotine hasn't helped her.
My father quit because of the obvious horrible chemicals of cigs, plus to lower his blood pressure.
I can agree that cigarettes MIGHT calm a person down, but all those "health benefits" are absolute BS.
There have also been studies on Alzheimers disease, but all the studies show the results are minimal. Most of the diseases you listed are hereditary.
It's so ironic how people will defend nicotine and cigarettes even though it causes so much pain and death. You can say "it's not the nicotine!" well yea, you could say that, but last time I checked so many people were hooked on cigarettes BECAUSE of the nicotine.
Nicotine is flat out addicting. There is nothing positive about it once you realize it's addicting and governs a persons decisions. You can talk about how it doesn't cause problems, or sugar coat it and say that it has minimal health benefits, but all in all, it's an addictive substance. You, me and everyone else here are still held to the ground by a ball and chain they call nicotine.
It's so ironic how people will defend nicotine and cigarettes even though it causes so much pain and death. You can say "it's not the nicotine!" well yea, you could say that, but last time I checked so many people were hooked on cigarettes BECAUSE of the nicotine.
Nicotine is flat out addicting. There is nothing positive about it once you realize it's addicting and governs a persons decisions. You can talk about how it doesn't cause problems, or sugar coat it and say that it has minimal health benefits, but all in all, it's an addictive substance. You, me and everyone else here are still held to the ground by a ball and chain they call nicotine.
Right now I'm looking at three electronic cigarettes in front of me and a 30 ml of juice. I go to my living room and there are electronic cigarette parts scattered everywhere; map tanks, 510, liquid, CE2's.
I make SURE my electronic cigarette tank is full when I leave the house. I vape in the car, I vape in the park, I vape when I wake up, I vape when I play video games. I vape when I go to the bar, I vape when I take the dog on a walk.
I have an addiction. If I don't vape long enough I'll get edgy and start to feel that something isn't there. I need nicotine. I'm addicted. Please, don't play it off like nicotine is some glorious thing. It's a monster, an expensive monster.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a ignorant fool. And I'll gladly call you out on it. To not agree that you didn't want to quit cigarettes, or that you don't want to quit nicotine is BS. It's the nicotine talking, not you.
Until you can realize this, your nothing but a nicotine puppet and always will be. You'll live your entire life as an addict.
I make SURE my electronic cigarette tank is full when I leave the house. I vape in the car, I vape in the park, I vape when I wake up, I vape when I play video games. I vape when I go to the bar, I vape when I take the dog on a walk.
I have an addiction. If I don't vape long enough I'll get edgy and start to feel that something isn't there. I need nicotine. I'm addicted. Please, don't play it off like nicotine is some glorious thing. It's a monster, an expensive monster.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a ignorant fool. And I'll gladly call you out on it. To not agree that you didn't want to quit cigarettes, or that you don't want to quit nicotine is BS. It's the nicotine talking, not you.
Until you can realize this, your nothing but a nicotine puppet and always will be. You'll live your entire life as an addict.
While I agree with much of what you state, I have to disagree on the "nicotine having us like a ball and chain". I do not 'jones' for my PV fix, I no longer search for it during times of stress, or agitation.
I started vaping in February of 2010 (with plenty of nicotine, I had to reduce it).. Personally, I found that I needed the additives (MAOI's + other crap) more than the nicotine... (and the habitual routine of it all). Once I was able to substitute with other alternatives (snuff, Wellbutrin, the correct flavor... like finding "your brand") only THEN was I able to walk away. Easy as pie. Sometime in September of 2010, I smoked my last cigarette and never looked back.
Nowadays I can put down my PV for hours without even missing it. I still immensley enjoy the routine, (inhaling, exhaling, seeing the vapor swirl around) but the nicotine places a far far second. (possibly even 4th or 5th) I often vape 0mg.
Yes, I believe Nicotine is addictive... but I liken it to caffiene. In the same way that Caffiene is addictive, it is not that hard to break that particular addiction. Our bodies do go through a withdrawal, certainly (headaches, etc) but stepping down from the nic, *I* think, is a lot easier than breaking some of the other aspects of our addiction.
Just my 2c
I started vaping in February of 2010 (with plenty of nicotine, I had to reduce it).. Personally, I found that I needed the additives (MAOI's + other crap) more than the nicotine... (and the habitual routine of it all). Once I was able to substitute with other alternatives (snuff, Wellbutrin, the correct flavor... like finding "your brand") only THEN was I able to walk away. Easy as pie. Sometime in September of 2010, I smoked my last cigarette and never looked back.
Nowadays I can put down my PV for hours without even missing it. I still immensley enjoy the routine, (inhaling, exhaling, seeing the vapor swirl around) but the nicotine places a far far second. (possibly even 4th or 5th) I often vape 0mg.
Yes, I believe Nicotine is addictive... but I liken it to caffiene. In the same way that Caffiene is addictive, it is not that hard to break that particular addiction. Our bodies do go through a withdrawal, certainly (headaches, etc) but stepping down from the nic, *I* think, is a lot easier than breaking some of the other aspects of our addiction.
Just my 2c
That's great! I'm so happy your at 0 nic!
But, you cut down and eventually weened yourself off nicotine. you are no longer in the audience that my messages were towards.
But nicotine is indeed a ball and chain when you are actually using nicotine, and not blowing smoke rings with 0 nic vape.
Whoops. No, my bad. I think you misunderstood. I'm not completely at zero mg. I often vape 0mg without noticing a difference. I havent weened myself either. But that's just me. I found, for ME, that there were so many other factors involved, that the nicotine portion of my addiction, weighed much lower.
Of course, YMMV.
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It must be real nice to be sure you know everything and that all opinions other than yours are wrong. I remember that feeling and it goes away when you are a grown up and realize sometimes that's just not so. My mother used to have a poster on the fridge that says "Teenagers- Move out now while you still know everything." That usually applies to people up to about age 25 or so. I don't usually condescend, because it's not my style, but you have been so insulting to people on this thread that I felt it was well deserved.
I never wanted to stop smoking, I know that one of my chronic diseases will kill me long before smoking would have. I switched completely as a protest against the continual raising of taxes on cigs and for no other reason.
There is plenty of anecdotal and scientific evidence that nicotine is helpful for a number of things, but until e-cigs there has been no reliable means to give it to a person without them also having to take in all of the harmful things in cigarettes. And just because something is hereditary, doesn't mean there aren't things that will mitigate the symptoms.
I never wanted to stop smoking, I know that one of my chronic diseases will kill me long before smoking would have. I switched completely as a protest against the continual raising of taxes on cigs and for no other reason.
There is plenty of anecdotal and scientific evidence that nicotine is helpful for a number of things, but until e-cigs there has been no reliable means to give it to a person without them also having to take in all of the harmful things in cigarettes. And just because something is hereditary, doesn't mean there aren't things that will mitigate the symptoms.
Let me start with ...earthpig....smoked pork..... fricken hilarious. I am a healthcare worker who has and does tons of research on everything that comes my way as "fact" it annoys most but may help here.
Personally I never really "wanted" to quit smoking. Its only because of the negative aspects of it (ie. cancer, expense, persecution, smell etc.) that motivated me to try and give it up.
I am along these same lines I guess!!
Actually friend I went to ecigs because I moved to a cold weather state and did not want to go outside anymore....I do not and never have smoked in my house.
That is my personal issue.... other peoples habits may affect me and there are no laws stopping them so why should I feel abligated to them. I knew and know the health risks for me and I choose to smoke anyway.
This is not factual..... the effect of one cig are enough. It actually has mor eot do with genetics as to how long/much you can smoke before seeing ill effects.
I received the same response at first (not by my doctor or my kids, mind you.. my old fashioned dad)
He responded with "icks" and "gross" and "that thing smells"... I finally got so mad, I told him "FINE! Would you rather I smoke?! I"ll go back to smoking!" I've never seen someone actually drop their jaw before.. And I promptly lit 2 cigs and smoked them.
We were traveling at the time, and I still smoked the occasional cigarette. After the completely shocked look on his face, and then he had to sit next to "smelly me".. I never heard another bad word from him.. only encouragement.
Yes, it wasn't the most mature thing I could have done... but sometimes I just get fed up listening to ignorance
Lbug you know I love ya but this is a side of you I have never seen....lol
Although it may help with depression to a degree Nicotine is a stimulant there fore making it improbable that it would help with the issues I highlighted. It is much like people who drink caffiene to get rid of their headache. If they are chronic caffiene drinkers it is actually more probable that the caffiene is the cause of thier headache.
I am only addressing one part of this post but did not want it to appear to be out of context. The truth is Nicotine has shown to have significant health benefits However nicotines cousin continine has the same effects with out the risks and side effect (we think)
It took me all of 1 minute on google to find this Schizophrenia.com - Nicotine Benefits Nicotine can have both a calming effect and a stimulating effect, depending on how you feel when you use it. Also, there have many a number of studies showing that it does help for a number of disorders.
Yeah moonflame that is funny because I was just researching that,..... as I understand it the nic helps "quiet the voices' which explains so much to me as all the schizophrenics I have ever worked with all chain smoke. Of course people think I am joking when I tell them that is what it does however I would leap to the assumption that again continine would have the same effect. Continine is actually derived from tobacco plants as well (I think) which would help the farmers of that sort if people ever stop smoking (or vaping for that matter) en masse
I stand corrected on these issues ..... I have always had a hard time with the give a stimulant to increase attention in people that have attention issues. Thank you so much for an article that was research based
Trying to put all people into a nice, neat little box is dumb. I quit smoking because of the tax increase. I make plenty of money and could well afford the extra .50 or so a pack.... so that's not the issue. I just hated the concept of being a social outcast while funding the government's pet social engineering projects. The least those poor, sick kids I'm providing health care for could do was send me a Christmas card. Is that too much to ask?
I have not saved a dime yet, but at least I've got something to show for it (as opposed to the few old lighters still laying around from my smoking days). The greatest benefit, besides how easy it is to rent hotel rooms and rental cars now, is giving the middle finger to BT and Barry.
I still use nicotine but have absolutely, unequivocally quit smoking. I really don't care if anyone says "you really haven't quit" because I really didn't care what they thought when I smoked. If you go through life worrying about what other people think you'll never be a happy person.
As to the addiction question... you could ask every person alive "What are you addicted to?" and they would give you an answer. Be it nicotine, gambling, chocolate, porn, caffeine, Big Macs, Diet Coke, nail biting, teeth brushing, etc. Everyone would be able to tell you SOMETHING they are addicted to. Hell, I saw a video the other day where a lady was addicted to eating the stuffing out of sofas! No kidding, she buys a new one every year once the stuffing is gone.
So... please stop with the sanctimonious 'YOU ARE AN ADDICT" posts. We all are, somehow, someway. Get over the guilt and enjoy life, ffs.
I have not saved a dime yet, but at least I've got something to show for it (as opposed to the few old lighters still laying around from my smoking days). The greatest benefit, besides how easy it is to rent hotel rooms and rental cars now, is giving the middle finger to BT and Barry.
I still use nicotine but have absolutely, unequivocally quit smoking. I really don't care if anyone says "you really haven't quit" because I really didn't care what they thought when I smoked. If you go through life worrying about what other people think you'll never be a happy person.
As to the addiction question... you could ask every person alive "What are you addicted to?" and they would give you an answer. Be it nicotine, gambling, chocolate, porn, caffeine, Big Macs, Diet Coke, nail biting, teeth brushing, etc. Everyone would be able to tell you SOMETHING they are addicted to. Hell, I saw a video the other day where a lady was addicted to eating the stuffing out of sofas! No kidding, she buys a new one every year once the stuffing is gone.
So... please stop with the sanctimonious 'YOU ARE AN ADDICT" posts. We all are, somehow, someway. Get over the guilt and enjoy life, ffs.
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I want to wallow in my concern for my addictions.....NOT!
I like my addictions or I wouldn't have chosen em.
I want to wallow in my concern for my addictions.....NOT!
I like my addictions or I wouldn't have chosen em.
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