"You didn't really quit"

[SmokingRT]

As to the addiction question... you could ask every person alive "What are you addicted to?" and they would give you an answer. Be it nicotine, gambling, chocolate, porn, caffeine, Big Macs, Diet Coke, nail biting, teeth brushing, etc. Everyone would be able to tell you SOMETHING they are addicted to. Hell, I saw a video the other day where a lady was addicted to eating the stuffing out of sofas! No kidding, she buys a new one every year once the stuffing is gone.

So... please stop with the sanctimonious 'YOU ARE AN ADDICT" posts. We all are, somehow, someway. Get over the guilt and enjoy life, ffs.

I think I am addicted to all those.....except the tooth brushing one. you are funny ....were we married once?

 

[leannebug]

Then there is also this... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html

 

[ChrisNC]

When I had people tell me that I really had not quit smoking it really used to bother me, now....I pretty much take it with a grain of salt.

 

[cbabbman]

It took me all of 1 minute on google to find this Schizophrenia.com - Nicotine Benefits Nicotine can have both a calming effect and a stimulating effect, depending on how you feel when you use it. Also, there have many a number of studies showing that it does help for a number of disorders.

When my now Wife and I started living together, I had Thanksgiving here at the house. My wifes Uncle Ronnie was brought over. He was Schizophrenic and had been living in a nursing home for many years. They didn't allow him to smoke there... I found out why later...lol

Anyway, when he got here, he was smacking his lips and shaking like crazy and I couldn't tell if he was talking to me, or the other me... my mother-in-law sat him down, gave him a pack of smokes, a bag of pipe tobacco and a corn cob pipe..

I was shocked. He smoked an entire pack of smokes in 20 mins... literally 1 smoke a minute... then he packed up the pipe and started puffing away... oh yeah it calmed him down... quite a bit... so much in fact, that he didn't even jump when he burned a hole through the corn cob and started himself on fire... I looked over and saw his lap smouldering. I wouldn't have thought anything of it (you could barely see him through the haze), but a few licks of flame and a sparkling waterfall of embers out the side of the pipe gave it away...

I'm not making this stuff up, and not making light of anything or anyone... but I did see the effect that nicotine had on him..

 

[OMG!]

I think I am addicted to all those.....except the tooth brushing one. you are funny ....were we married once?

I don't think so. All of my ex's mysteriously disappeared.

 

[mylose64]

Yeah I used to have an uncle who had schizophrenia, I never met him because he died of lung cancer.

 

[SmokingRT]

well clearly you are just going to be absurd and are looking for an argument or debate that you feel the need to have with an under informed opinion. I am done friend hope you find your fight

 

[Taniger1]

Hah! I don't tell folks I've quit smoking! The last time it came up was in Idaho, right after breakfast, I had gotten permission from managment to Vape :0).

Anyhow, everyone says time for the after meal smoke!! I said, YA lets do it, and started vaping, they had to go outside /evil grin. THAT got more attention than ANYTHING I've done or said about pv's.


edited for spelling

 

[SmokingRT]

Hah! I don't tell folks I've quit smoking! The last time it came up was in Idaho, right after breakfast, I had gotten permission from managment to Vape :0).

Anyhow, everyone says time of the after meal smoke!! I said, YA lets do it, and started vaping, they had to go outside /evil grin. THAT got more attention than ANYTHING I've done or said about vp's.

thats cool and mildly amusing KUDOS

 

[mylose64]

Also, comparing nicotine to other "addictions" like big macs is pretty extreme. Your obviously not seeing my point. I don't think most of you can even comprehend the fact that nicotine is bad, it's an addictive substance which has ruined many lives close to me and my own. I've seen many fallen to lung cancer, many people who are broke and many people who just can't quit.

You can blame cigarettes, but the reason is this; nicotine trapped them and the smoke killed them.

I think I understand why they say Ignorance is bliss.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just brought up that nicotine is bad, and for anyone to disagree is beyond me. At least be noble and accept the fact your a slave to nicotine. While you can enjoy it, it's nothing more than a lousy addiction that brings minor comfort in times of stress.

Most of the beneficial aspects are part of a placebo effect. Nicotine is not some pharmaceutical super drug that is going to save humanity, it's simply a chemical in a tobacco plant that has strong addictive attributes.

The people who can even think that nicotine is good outside of a horribly addictive substance, are superstitious. I think you'd get better pain relief from a voodoo doll.

 

[toriL]

My family practice physician was happy with my using an ecig. A new Dr. I just went to a couple months ago isn't impressed and basically thinks I haven't stopped anything. The nurse in the room with us was shocked when the Dr. told me nicotine causes cancer.... and I said it does not and that she should read up on that info. I refused a Chantix RX from her, she mailed me an RX a week after my appt. anyhow. I threw it away. I don't look forward to going to see her again. Looking for another Dr. now.

 

[Imagine]

The thing I love and hate the most is when you are vaping inside and someone spots you and doesn't know you are "not smoking" and assumes you are smoking a real cigarette. This evil look, like a parent catching their kids hand in the "cookie jar", comes across their face and they make a B line straight over to your location (clearly to tell you that you are NOT ALLOWED to smoke inside) then as they approach, they either don't "smell" anything or they happen to see your colored LED, and then sort of do this double take and make a sharp turn and walk away confused and almost mad they couldn't scold you lol

 

[OMG!]

Also, comparing nicotine to other "addictions" like big macs is pretty extreme. Your obviously not seeing my point. I don't think most of you can even comprehend the fact that nicotine is bad, it's an addictive substance which has ruined many lives close to me and my own. I've seen many fallen to lung cancer, many people who are broke and many people who just can't quit.

You can blame cigarettes, but the reason is this; nicotine trapped them and the smoke killed them.

I think I understand why they say Ignorance is bliss.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just brought up that nicotine is bad, and for anyone to disagree is beyond me. At least be noble and accept the fact your a slave to nicotine. While you can enjoy it, it's nothing more than a lousy addiction that brings minor comfort in times of stress.

Most of the beneficial aspects are part of a placebo effect. Nicotine is not some pharmaceutical super drug that is going to save humanity, it's simply a chemical in a tobacco plant that has strong addictive attributes.

The people who can even think that nicotine is good outside of a horribly addictive substance, are superstitious. I think you'd get better pain relief from a voodoo doll.

May I ask which school you received your medical degree from?

 

[SmokingRT]

Also, comparing nicotine to other "addictions" like big macs is pretty extreme. Your obviously not seeing my point. I don't think most of you can even comprehend the fact that nicotine is bad, it's an addictive substance which has ruined many lives close to me and my own. I've seen many fallen to lung cancer, many people who are broke and many people who just can't quit.

You can blame cigarettes, but the reason is this; nicotine trapped them and the smoke killed them.

I think I understand why they say Ignorance is bliss.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just brought up that nicotine is bad, and for anyone to disagree is beyond me. At least be noble and accept the fact your a slave to nicotine. While you can enjoy it, it's nothing more than a lousy addiction that brings minor comfort in times of stress.

Most of the beneficial aspects are part of a placebo effect. Nicotine is not some pharmaceutical super drug that is going to save humanity, it's simply a chemical in a tobacco plant that has strong addictive attributes.

The people who can even think that nicotine is good outside of a horribly addictive substance, are superstitious. I think you'd get better pain relief from a voodoo doll.

This my friend is the last I will say of this ..... nicotine is scientifically proven to work though multiple studies....... water has also taken many lives and for all intents and purposes is addictive (and addiciton is your body neeeding a substance (nicotine water oxygen) or chemical reaction .....brain chemistry changes from things like gambling porn ect.) and yet we do not make it illegal or chastise those who drink it. You compare it to voodoo when your arguments are clearly conjecture and emotionally led due to your life experience. Not everything you have experienced in life makes it an absolute truth. Nicotine can be used for good things in proper doses. Burning nicotine and things like MAOIs is dangerous. The MAOIs that they add actually change brain chemistry and cause you to be depressedif you go without them. Yes nic is addictive however the other brain changing chemicals have been proven to be more addictive than the nicotine and that is why they are added to tobacco. Lung cancer is also highly attributed to little things like arsenic that is added to cigs (yes that is rat poison). I can not continue to debate you as you do not use facts but just opinions. The only reason I have carried on this far is your limited kowledge base and opinions could be dangerous. Limited knowledge and opinion have started wars and killed many more people throughout history than smoking or vaping ever did combined and do not be fooled those things cotinue today.

 

[SmokingRT]

May I ask which school you received your medical degree from?

my guess would be the hard knocks medical school

 

[cbabbman]

I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just brought up that nicotine is bad, and for anyone to disagree is beyond me. At least be noble and accept the fact your a slave to nicotine. While you can enjoy it, it's nothing more than a lousy addiction that brings minor comfort in times of stress..

Being here for 2 months, reading as much as I can, and in how I describe my own personal quiting smoking (I quit smoking cigarettes, but still feed my nicotine addiction with an e-cig), I would have to say that almost no one here is claiming to be addiction or nicotine free... unless they are vaping 0mg juice...

Your animosity is palpable and you ARE looking to pick a fight... and YOU are trying to offend people. Maybe if this place and the opinions of the people here are so offensive to you, you ought to take it somewhere else... you ain't gonna win anything here, that's for sure...

BTW, how much caffeinated beverages do you drink?... If any, I'm thinking a de-caf version of them would probably be a good thing for you.

 

[revolver]

I wouldnt know if HE is trying to pick a fight, but it 'sounds' as if he was into this new "therapeutic fashion" of being 'rude' or agressive online as to compensate for something missing in his real-life...

Mind you, I think that this might even work and lead to a very relaxing practice for some; wouldnt know... But, this is to be done in some type of 'yahoo anonimous forum' (it seems this is their very purpose...) and maybe just not here.

OTOH, YOU; mylose64, may very well (though it does not seem very likely...) be trying to make some valid points out of some seudo-insight or personal experience which may sound 'objective' to you... But if this is the case maybe you might wanna reconsider your expressions... Remember that -as we write what we mean to say may end up sounding radically different- So, you are sounding as some stupid smart-... teenager who claims to know everything but doesnt really have the slightest clue...
PLEASE Do not feel offended ! Really... Maybe it is in part because we have been 'touched' by some violent aspect comprised by your wording and ARE being a bit SENSITIVE about it... So... I know that when somebody tells you that you ARE BEING A JERK as in these type of circumstances it may lead to further anger and more "jerkiness" in return... But I mention this hoping you DO NOT take this the wrong way... Simply try to be a bit more friendly when it comes to dismissing criterias that are not necessarily 'universally'/ conventionally wrong and which havent been violently nor in any ilegit way imposed to you...
This way we may even listen to you, and consider your possibly valid views...
If it is 'online war' you are interested in... Go on with that ....ty attitude... But I dont think this is the case 100%... Because while you are a teenager (yes, synonim to stupid in The Objective and Universal Dictionary, heee!) part of you is trying to be forum-based and interested in some "online real-sharing experience"

 

[revolver]

BTW, how much caffeinated beverages do you drink?... If any, I'm thinking a de-caf version of them would probably be a good thing for you.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.


Yes, mylose64... You might also wanna do some de-caf in return....

Aahhahaahhhhhhhhh!

(Joke!)

=)

 

[stretchpants]

I have quit smoking and no one can tell me any different. I'm not inhaling 54 cancer causing agents and I'm not intruding on anyone's air space
Addictions come in all shapes and sizes and nicotine addiction is not the worst of the bunch.
Sure ......,morphine,crack,....... and alcohol to name a few of the killer addictions spring to mind.
But there are other behaviors that are just as addictive.
My sister chomps on ice day and night. I have a friend that has to have a bag of pretzels wherever she goes,another has part of their baby blanket she uses to fall asleep with.I categorize nicotine addiction with them.I'm not hurting anyone.I'm not driving under the influence,I'm not thieving to get my next fix.
Also there is scientific evidence that nicotine can help in the delay of Alzheimer disease.
Nicotine could play role in Alzheimer's disease therapy, neuroscientists discover
I can't wait to see my Dr. She will be thrilled.I'm hoping to ask her to investigate e-cigs for herself. If she finds it's something she can talk with her smoking patients about we will have more people quitting analogs. I personally am responsible for 3 other people putting the analogs away for e-cigs. I'm very proud of that. You and no one in this world cannot tell me I am not better off vaping than smoking.My kids are giddy and my husband is happy that there are no analogs in our home. The ashtrays have long been thrown in the trash.I have made new friends on this forum and it's all good.

 

[Ande]

I quit smoking. People can have "opinions," but this isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I do not inhale or consume SMOKE in any way. Therefore, I quit smoking.

I have not quit nicotine. I still consume nicotine, though less, and (subjectively) less addictively than before. (Meaning that long periods of abstinence do not make me grumpy, no amount of vaping makes me buzzy, and I don't get "nic fits.")

If anyone brings it up, that's what I tell them- I quit smoking, but did not quit nicotine, and I feel a lot better for it. Better than I ever did when I quit both!

To the poster who said "the nicotine trapped them, and the smoke killed them" : Too true.

And, unable to break the hold of nicotine, had they had a way to get it without the smoke, they might have lived. Worth thinking about.

Nicotine isn't "good" or "bad." It's just a substance. Good or bad is what you do with it. Probably, I'd be better off not to have got hooked on it. But I did. And, since I did, getting it without the smoke is a hell of a lot better than smoking.

Ande