You haven't really quit...

[DC2]

My comments basically have nothing to do with the nicotine content. But even so, BTW, how many of the folks here using eCigs are doing so for medical reasons (other than the obvious health benefit of not smoking cigarettes)? It's a way to not smoke. Period. That's why I use one. But I do not suffer from delusions that it's actually good for me... just not as bad for me as smoking.

All I'm asking is for you folks to stop justifying on false pretenses and realize that what we're doing is better than smoking, but not better than doing neither. Actually, that's wrong. I'm not asking you to do that. Go ahead if you want to. Just do not try to force that nonsense on me.

Tell me, do you think inhaling from an ecig is better for you than NOT inhaling from one? Forget the nicotine. There are plenty of other ways it can be delivered. Do you think inhaling the vapor, let's day 0mg vapor, is better for you than NOT inhaling it?

You are ignoring the evidence presented, and presenting none of your own.
Your gut feelings are useless to anyone but yourself.

If you intend to make a point then I suggest you do so.
So man up and come with something useful to refute what has been presented to you.

Because right now, you are as bad as they are.


EDIT: And by the way, I already know where you might take this, do you?
EDIT: Because yeah, you might have a point to make, if you know what it is.

 

[Rosa]

Get real. We're not talking about some nebulus ingestion of nicotine. We're talking about inhaling vapor as opposed to NOT inhaling vapor. The fact that there are ingredients in that vapor that get absorbed by the lungs only serves to strenghten my point.

I didn't expect this to make me Mr. Popularity here. If you want to do use an ecig, go ahead... I do. But, please do not try to run the line on me that doing so is better for you than not doing it.

Funny the focus is on the nicotine; while I think the nicotine is not really good or bad for you itself (unless it happens to help your adult ADD) but I was reading some interesting studies that were done on the PG that we're all taking in. It seems so far that the PG might help you to avoid catching any flu that's going around and in addition to that, if you have PG in your system and you just happen to have a stroke some day, you are more likely to have fewer or no damages to your brain afterward. Hmmm..

 

[Thulium]

Get real. We're not talking about some nebulus ingestion of nicotine. We're talking about inhaling vapor as opposed to NOT inhaling vapor. The fact that there are ingredients in that vapor that get absorbed by the lungs only serves to strenghten my point.

I was responding to your statement that using an ecig "couldn't possibly be" better than not using anything at all. That suggestion is plainly false as you have been now shown documented potential health benefits of both nicotine and propylene glycol, while there are no existing or reason to expect any serious negative health effects.

I didn't expect this to make me Mr. Popularity here. If you want to do use an eCig, go ahead... I do. But, please do not try to run the line on me that doing so is better for you than not doing it.

I did not say that using an eCig is better for you than not doing it. I explained how it could be.

 

[lasttango]

Yesterday, I picked my sweatshirt up off the floor and put it on... (I had worn it most of the weekend)
I didn't notice the foul and sour cigarette stank that my previously worn clothes usually had... instead, my sweatshirt smelled like buttefingers and caramel popcorn...

That was all the proof I needed that vaping was so much better for me...

 

[curmudgeonista]

I was responding to your statement that using an eCig "couldn't possibly be" better than not using anything at all. That suggestion is plainly false as you have been now shown documented potential health benefits of both nicotine and propylene glycol, while there are no existing or reason to expect any serious negative health effects.



I did not say that using an eCig is better for you than not doing it. I explained how it could be.

Fair enough.

 

[SmokinScott]

If anyone asks, I tell them I quit smoking, but I didn't quit nicotine. I also mention that nicotine is no worse then cafeen, it's the 400 other chemicals, and lighting the leaves on fire and inhaling the smoke that's bad for you. People seem to get that.

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

Funny the focus is on the nicotine; while I think the nicotine is not really good or bad for you itself (unless it happens to help your adult ADD) but I was reading some interesting studies that were done on the PG that we're all taking in. It seems so far that the PG might help you to avoid catching any flu that's going around and in addition to that, if you have PG in your system and you just happen to have a stroke some day, you are more likely to have fewer or no damages to your brain afterward. Hmmm..

This doesnt surprise me at all. Last year my husband Mike caught swine flu. Despite him being home that entire time, despite me taking care of him, and despite me sleeping with him each night, I never caught it. Each time he has been sick... I dont seem to catch it. Last year though.... When he caught swine flu, it was the first time that he had caught an illness first. Normally I would catch it, and then he would get it.

 

[underwater goddess]

Also Nicotine has been shown to help people with ADHD....and Alzheimers

Do you have any more info on this?

(I have no intention of starting up a vaping habit. But if my doctors may someday prescribe nicotine therapy for my conditions, then its worth a read.)

 

[underwater goddess]

Oh and if it was me and the smoking sister in law said "You haven't really quit", I would just say, "Neither have you".

(My friends say I'm going to get myself shot one day lol!)

 

[curiousJan]

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and in addition to that, if you have PG in your system and you just happen to have a stroke some day, you are more likely to have fewer or no damages to your brain afterward. Hmmm..

This is a new one to me ... can I get a cite for that, please? As someone on HRT this topic could be quite interesting to me.

Jan

 

[cyberwolf]

Funny, I have never been tempted to walk up to someone eating a Weight Watchers meal and say, "yes, but you're still eating!"

 

[lilith79]

Funny, I have never been tempted to walk up to someone eating a Weight Watchers meal and say, "yes, but you're still eating!"

That's great!!

 

[Vocalek]

Tell me, do you think inhaling from an eCig is better for you than NOT inhaling from one? Forget the nicotine. There are plenty of other ways it can be delivered. Do you think inhaling the vapor, let's day 0mg vapor, is better for you than NOT inhaling it?

An unequivocal YES from me.

First let me tell you what life is like for me with zero nicotine. Deep depression. Inability to concentrate. Visual memory impairment.

How does this affect my life? Makes it impossible for me to function as a normal human being. At one point, I couldn't even read a newspaper because by the time I got to the second paragraph, the content of the first paragraph was totally forgotten. I had several near-missses in the car when I looked left and right, saw nothing coming, and proceeded into traffic -- followed by the blare of a horn and the screech of brakes as the oncoming car whose presence I failed to perceive/remember nearly ran into mine.

Yes, I acknowledge that my problems are more severe than most folks. But then again, my mother needs 4 mg. of Amyryl and 50 mg. of Actos every day to maintain normal blood sugar levels -- and most folks don't. She has also been diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia. So it may well be that what looks like Adult Onset Attention Deficit Disorder that manifests itself when I try to go without nicotine is really early-stage LBD. See: Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies Nicotine and Parkinson's disease: Implications for therapy, Maryka Quik, PhD *, Kathryn O'Leary, PhD, Caroline M. Tanner, MD, PhD


I have consulted with a neurologist to discuss my mother's illness, my history of cognitive problems triggered by nicotine abstinence, and my ability to maintain normal functioning by using an electronic cigarette. He agrees that I need to do what is best for me (i.e., continue vaping) and wants to monitor my cognitive abilities at one-year intervals.

The point is the each of us is a unique chemical factory. What you need or don't need is not proof of what my body needs or doesn't need.

Sure there are other ways of taking in nicotine. I just can't seem to chew enough pieces of 4 mg. gum to take in adquate amounts of nicotine without feeling as if my stomach is on fire.

So yes, for me the answer is that I AM healthier for inhaling vaporized nicotine -- if you happen to count mood and cognitive abilities important to your personal health.

It appears that one day soon I will be able to take a lot of very expensive new pills to keep these conditions under control instead of vaping. See this Targacept: Biopharmaceutical Company - Product Pipeline

 

[curiousJan]

It appears that one day soon I will be able to take a lot of very expensive new pills to keep these conditions under control instead of vaping. See this Targacept: Biopharmaceutical Company - Product Pipeline

Wow, anyone else thinking "did we not learn anything from Chantix"?

Jan

 

[Vocalek]

Wow, anyone else thinking "did we not learn anything from Chantix"?

Jan

What they have in their favor is that, unlike Chantix, they are actually based on nicotine.

It may turn out to be a similar situation to Razadyne. First, there was a supplement called galantamine which was a chemical extracted from the snow drop flower. It was discovered that this plant appeared to help aging folks maintain their cognitive abilities a little longer. Then a pharmaceutical company got hold of it, did clinical trials, and got it approved as a treatment for Alzheimer's Disease. FDA then attempted to force the supplement off the market; but since it was sold prior to the approval of the pharma-form, they were unable to do so. It was "grandfathered" in as a supplement. To my knowledge, the drug and the supplement versions are basically identical.

Article on the topic: Mary Ann Liebert, Inc. - Alternative and Complementary Therapies - 7(6):380

You can buy a month's supply of Galantamine supplement capsules for $40, or get a Rx for Razadyne and spend about $200 per month.

The question I have about the Targacept treatments is whether they will be taking the nicotine molecule and tweaking it in some fashion. If so, they might introduce problematic side effects that don't exist in the natural form.

 

[Thulium]

Fair enough.

Considering how long I continued to smoke cigarettes in spite of having full knowledge of the damage I was doing to my health, I don't really have a right to claim that I would ever quit using nicotine for health reasons anyway. Thanks to the e-cigarette, I won't be forced to quit nicotine for health reasons so if I ever stop using tobacco products entirely, it will be because I choose to do so and not because of the lies or exaggerations of any antis and it certainly will not be because I think it is healthier...even if it is.

 

[Thulium]

Funny, I have never been tempted to walk up to someone eating a Weight Watchers meal and say, "yes, but you're still eating!"

Hahaha!! I will be stealing that one!

 

[curmudgeonista]

Considering how long I continued to smoke cigarettes in spite of having full knowledge of the damage I was doing to my health, I don't really have a right to claim that I would ever quit using nicotine for health reasons anyway. Thanks to the e-cigarette, I won't be forced to quit nicotine for health reasons so if I ever stop using tobacco products entirely, it will be because I choose to do so and not because of the lies or exaggerations of any antis and it certainly will not be because I think it is healthier...even if it is.

I completely agree. That's the sort of positive that makes sense. I'll leave it at that without any "buts" (no pun intended).

Peace!

 

[BHedge]

If you were wearing a patch successfully for 3 weeks without smoking an analog and someone asked you if you are a smoker, what would you say? You'd say no, of course. I noticed when I tried the patch that my body reeked after a couple days on it.

I am a non-smoker. If you want to get into semantics and ask me if I use nicotine, I'll say yes. How many people think to ask that, and who cares?

If I wasn't abusing nicotine (using....abusing, where's that line?), I'd be abusing food! Which is better? My choice, I choose nicotine. And I think it's the neatest thing going that I have control over how much I use.

 

[Rosa]

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This is a new one to me ... can I get a cite for that, please? As someone on HRT this topic could be quite interesting to me.

Jan

I tried to find where I read this on the internet but couldn't find it again...until I can find it again-I take it back (incase I got it wrong). If I find it, I'll post it.