Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[YoursTruli]

There's an obvious workaround for the next 2 years at least. B&M's that take the initiative to get their tobacco license can order and sell whatever they want. Custom order and pick up in the shop. B&Ms may have a nice opportunity in front of them. They can just be a middle man and make a slice. They collect upfront too. Organized group buys could become popular too.

Yeah it sucks that people in states that prevent internet won't be able to get it delivered to their door. But I personally don't see them being denied the ability to get what they want. It will just cost more and not be as convenient.
My state borders WV and they just voted not to tax ecig sales. I doubt they will ban Internet sales. I have friends in WV. Inconvenient yes...impossible no.

After the 2 year window all bets are off...

The fly in the ointment is a required photo ID by the FDA rules, not sure how that is going to work with online sales yet, TX already requires either a photo ID or signed legal document and confirmed CC in your name for all online sales.

 

[nicnik]

Yes I remember those discussions. Back then i claimed as I still do now that
it's a distinction with out any difference. PG has been used to inhale medicine.
There is no way to deny this.
Mike

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, nebulizers heat the pg solution, so that's even more of a solid point to make, as opposed to inhalers if they really did contain PG, since inhalers don't heat their contents.

 

[YoursTruli]

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, nebulizers heat the pg solution, so that's even more of a solid point to make, as opposed to inhalers if they really did contain PG, since inhalers don't heat their contents.

you are mistaken it's room air/cool air temp mist, not aerosol..... and what nebulizer treatments currently use PG?

 

[nicnik]

[either via SE (they still didn't even tell us what the substantially similar predicate product is?)

Zeller actually said he won't disclose what that product is. What could possibly be good reason for keeping it secret?

 

[nicnik]

I am guessing you mean specifically an MDI inhaler?

Yes, I guess. But if wiki says nebulizers are a type of inhaler, I'm good with that. Nice work!

 

[YoursTruli]

Yes, I guess. But if wiki says nebulizers are a type of inhaler, I'm good with that. Nice work!

What's the Difference Between a Nebulizer and an Inhaler?

 

[nicnik]

you are mistaken it's room air/cool air temp mist, not aerosol..... and what nebulizer treatments currently use PG?

Ok, thanks. I stand corrected.

 

[crxess]

I've said Many Times on this Forum that I'll bet skoony's next Paycheck that the FDA will try to Ban the Sale of All "Tobacco Products" inside the USA.

No.........only the Non-combustible ones.......
Remember, Tobacco is Grandfathered in...........FREE RIDE

 

[nicnik]

What's the Difference Between a Nebulizer and an Inhaler?

One point that is relevant is that PG has been in FDA approved nebulizers in the past. That is, once again, if I'm not mistaken...

...waiting to hear I'm mistaken again...

 

[crxess]

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, nebulizers heat the pg solution, so that's even more of a solid point to make, as opposed to inhalers if they really did contain PG, since inhalers don't heat their contents.

Nebulizer
A nebulizer is an electrically powered machine that turns liquid medication into a mist so that it can be breathed directly into the lungs through a face mask or mouthpiece. People with asthma can use a nebulizer to take their medications.
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Definition: Nebulizer

From this day forward, I am declaring my Right to use my Unregistered Retail Purchased Advanced Personal Nebulizer - Bite me Tax man!

 

[zoiDman]

No.........only the Non-combustible ones.......
Remember, Tobacco is Grandfathered in...........FREE RIDE

Fixed it...

I've said Many Times on this Forum that I'll bet skoony's next Paycheck that the FDA will try to Ban the Sale of All "Tobacco Products" via the Internet inside the USA.

I'm just Wondering what it will Take to get Members of Congress to say Enough is Enough?

 

[Lessifer]

Well if imports of e-cig devices is prohibited than it's over. Most all our equipment is made in China.

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Without marketing approval the items cannot be sold in the US, which would include foreign manufacturers selling directly to consumers. So yes, big problem. Some companies probably will still sell stuff, and it could get through customs, but it could just as easily be seized.

 

[The Ocelot]

Lol, not even close. Why buy a company that's been wiped off the face of the earth?

Because they are CHEAP. Think fire sale! Think "consolidation"! Happens in other industries all the time. Not sayin for sure. Just guessing. And the patent on VW? Held by Evolv. IMHO!

I was thinking what SeniorBoy posted, but I'd add that it would give BT the opportunity to bring another inferior device to market.

 

[skiball]

Without marketing approval the items cannot be sold in the US, which would include foreign manufacturers selling directly to consumers. So yes, big problem. Some companies probably will still sell stuff, and it could get through customs, but it could just as easily be seized.

So I'll say it again by your definition vaping is dead more or less come aug 8th.

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[Lessifer]

So I'll say it again by your definition vaping is dead more or less come aug 8th.

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If nothing changes, pretty much. It can limp along possibly for two years.

That's why we all need to do whatever we can to change things. Join CASAA, write/call your representatives, show support for those who might be able to do something, if you can, buy from vendors who are taking legal action to support them.

Changing the predicate date via HR 2058 or the Cole-Bishop Amendment will give the industry a lifeline, though not a solution. I have hopes that some of the groups are working on more long term solutions, but the industry needs to survive long enough to see that happen.

 

[Icemanxxxv]

It is if you are not prepared. I'm sure that I have a stock pile that will see me through until at least the black market get rolling[emoji38] 4 liters of 100mg nic in the freezer by the end of next week. BT BM BP and the FDA can get bent!

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[kross8]

The fly in the ointment is a required photo ID by the FDA rules, not sure how that is going to work with online sales yet, TX already requires either a photo ID or signed legal document and confirmed CC in your name for all online sales.

i live in Texas,, and buy 99% of my vape products online, +95% of all of my other shopping,i have never been asked for signature, id , photo ,,,nothing,, everything has moved as smoothly as shopping at amazon

 

[The Ocelot]

Entertainment break:

I read this story in the New Yorker in the 80s. I've never forgotten it.

The last cigarette smokers in America were located in a box canyon south of Donner Pass in the High Sierra...

http://www.garrisonkeillor.com/wp-c...0140131567_WeAreStillMarried_End-of-Trail.pdf

 

[grim]

The PACT Act of 2010 only restricts online sales of cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. It will have to be amended by Congress to include vapor (or other newly deemed) tobacco products.

Don't know what it restricted.

Everyone who enjoyed snus and nasal snuff were freaking out when this passed.

Since then, no issues getting snus, nasal snuff, cigs, pipe tobacco or any tobacco at all online. Cigs can be tricky but can be bought from the UK to the US from certain retailers but all the others haven't been phased at all by the pact act.

Screw the Feds.

 

[crxess]

Sound Familure?

Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

Post when you know......and no Google Cheating!!! or not