US Deeming Date Change - Denied

[Yiana]

So what's the end result? Sorry I didn't read all of the posts. We can still buy vape hardware from China, correct? And e-liquid will be taxed? What is the shelf life of DIY e-liquid ingredients: VG, PG, nic, flavorings?

Nope. Not taxed, pretty much 99.9% will not be around anymore. I know people who get their products from China that are seized in customs, the places where they are already banned.

Nic stores in the freezer for years. Pg and vg will be available. It is used in too many things. So if you're stocking up think nic and hardware.

 

[Alien Traveler]

There are NO flavored cigarettes unless you count menthol as a flavor because Obama signed an executive order banning them back in 2009. It was "for the children", however you can get flavored cigarellos so I don't know how that did any good but take away my right to smoke clove cigarettes.

But there are flavored Black and Milds (ones by mistake got one with cherry flavor, it was awful).
So, even tobacco companies had found a way around.

 

[Yiana]

But there are flavored Black and Milds (ones by mistake got one with cherry flavor, it was awful).
So, even tobacco companies had found a way around.

The tobacco companies didn't find a way around it. Obama only banned flavored cigarettes. Cigarellos can be flavored.

 

[Alien Traveler]

The tobacco companies didn't find a way around it. Obama only banned flavored cigarettes. Cigarellos can be flavored.

I am staying corrected. I was never much in flavored tobacco, so never paid attention to all this stuff.

 

[rolf]

isn t nice to know we have freedom ?
the freedom to die as we please...
and the best politisions mony can buy ...
how to make diy nick juice instructions needed... every thing else is going to be available
just thinking out loud !

 

[Jman8]

Sometimes I do wish there was a "NO CONFIDENCE" option on ballots to vacate the office. Imagine the politicking that would happen then!! But not voting at all is giving the power to a more subset group of staunch Party-liners. Balloting Abstinence is not productive.

How are you using the term "productive" in this context? As one who agrees with @Rossum on this, I take pride in not being productive, on this front.

 

[Douggro]

How are you using the term "productive" in this context? As one who agrees with @Rossum on this, I take pride in not being productive, on this front.

If I don't vote at all, I have no say in the matter. I have no legitimate right to complain about the actions of the elected body because I didn't put anything at stake. People complain all the time that "I didn't vote for so-and-so" but at least if they voted, they did something to have their opinion count. "I don't vote because they're all bozos" is subjugating yourself to whatever you get, and you have no right whatsoever to complain about it.

So my context of "productive" is voting to be heard and have something at stake, even if you can't agree with all of the platform a candidate runs on.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Every vote matters....welllllll.

 

[Jman8]

If I don't vote at all, I have no say in the matter.

I would say the first amendment let's us know otherwise.

I have no legitimate right to complain about the actions of the elected body because I didn't put anything at stake.

First part already covered, second part (putting anything at stake) is up to each individual. If you participate in game of choosing the lesser of two evils, and I don't participate in the same game, it doesn't mean I have nothing at stake in the larger game (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness - via vaping). While it does mean that you chose evil, and I chose not to participate in that aspect of the larger game.

People complain all the time that "I didn't vote for so-and-so" but at least if they voted, they did something to have their opinion count. "I don't vote because they're all bozos" is subjugating yourself to whatever you get, and you have no right whatsoever to complain about it.

Oh the discussions we could have on this. IMO, your choice of evil (or whatever that choice is currently spun as) means you have no legitimate way of helping to fix the system, until you forego the desire to keep contributing to that.

As we are on a vaping forum, then lemme know how either of the two parties have thus far offered up a way to resolve the situation with vaping right/regulations in America? Cause thus far for 2016 election rhetoric, it is not even registering at the national level. Let's hope that changes, soon.

So my context of "productive" is voting to be heard and have something at stake, even if you can't agree with all of the platform a candidate runs on.

By the way you are using productive, I am proud to not be productive, in this way. Strongly appears to be exacerbating the problem facing us, than fixing it. If you have information that would suggest otherwise, as it relates to vaping, please let me/us know.

 

[Douggro]

I would say the first amendment let's us know otherwise.

I gave your post a Like because I actually enjoyed a thoughtful rebuttal around here for a change.

If you participate in game of choosing the lesser of two evils, and I don't participate in the same game, it doesn't mean I have nothing at stake in the larger game (life, liberty, pursuit of happiness - via vaping). While it does mean that you chose evil, and I chose not to participate in that aspect of the larger game.

The beauty of the framework of our Constitution is that we're allowed those rights, to exercise them as we see fit. I may not agree with your points and views, but I respect them. If you choose not to vote, that's your right. I can't, and won't, attempt to browbeat or berate you into doing something that you oppose. There's enough of that going on all over the world.

 

[Jman8]

I can't, and won't, attempt to browbeat or berate you into doing something that you oppose.

You, my friend, just lost any hope of ever working at the FDA.

 

[Douggro]

You, my friend, just lost any hope of ever working at the FDA.

So much for that career path I was pursuing…

 

[Tommy-Chi]

lol ... I'm not talking about getting you guys off vaping ... I'm talking about out right advertising vaping as a proven way to quit smoking

 

[Tommy-Chi]

My cardiologist may differ with that somewhat, but for the caffeine all he wanted from me was moderation. Cut back. No two pots a day anymore. But I can do that since it keeps me up at night now if I have coffee after 6pm.

Sorry to hear that. I'm caffeinated and nicotine driven all day long. Drink Lipton tea (two bags in ea tea), 30oz ice lattes w 3 demitasse cups of espresso at home with my new Delonghi espresso machine, and french press coffee.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Is Laquinitas in Chicago? That's some good stuff.

Yes it is!

Lagunitas has a Chicago taproom. Didn't know that before now.

Yes my dear friend! And they serve food too! The Goose Island Tap Room does not serve food, they do that over on North Ave site...pretty good food too, but I hear the Laguinitas food is better, plus you get at that Hop Stoopid. Good thing I drink with cops!!! I usually go with my brother (CPD) and a detective (CPD) friend of mine, and I never drive. Hahahaha!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

So what's the end result? Sorry I didn't read all of the posts. We can still buy vape hardware from China, correct? And e-liquid will be taxed? What is the shelf life of DIY e-liquid ingredients: VG, PG, nic, flavorings?

There will be a period of litigation to decide what is actually going to transpire and be put in to law. The fact is we are going to lose a lot of rights. They are trying to move the grandfather date for all vape related products up to 2009. Anything after that date would be banned. Anything that anyone wants to sell in a B&M or online thoughout the USA would need to go through a costly approval process.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

But there are flavored Black and Milds (ones by mistake got one with cherry flavor, it was awful).
So, even tobacco companies had found a way around.

So far, but the new rules set in place move loose tobacco, cigars and all products under this new rule set.

 

[Douggro]

Sorry to hear that. I'm caffeinated and nicotine driven all day long. Drink Lipton tea (two bags in ea tea), 30oz ice lattes w 3 demitasse cups of espresso at home with my new Delonghi espresso machine, and french press coffee.

Oh, no - I'm not really complaining. We get a very good whole-bean French Roast coffee at Costco that goes in the dripper for the AM, for which I usually get three (gigantic) cups. Then off to work where we have a Starbucks auto-brewer stocked with Pike Place and French Roast that I will get three more (decent) sized cups from. Caffeine deprivation is not a problem for me. I'm not too much into hot tea, but when the weather becomes more non-wintery, we have an iced tea brewer that I make sweet tea in.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Every vote matters....welllllll.

Very informative. The system stinks, and yet, I'll keep trucking along.... trolling the R's and D's. They earned it. They took the job to listen to my heavy breathing on their necks.

The good thing is, now we know who to lean on more!

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Oh, no - I'm not really complaining. We get a very good whole-bean French Roast coffee at Costco that goes in the dripper for the AM, for which I usually get three (gigantic) cups. Then off to work where we have a Starbucks auto-brewer stocked with Pike Place and French Roast that I will get three more (decent) sized cups from. Caffeine deprivation is not a problem for me. I'm not too much into hot tea, but when the weather becomes more non-wintery, we have an iced tea brewer that I make sweet tea in.

I use Peet's Coffee. I use to use Starbucks but they started to get too political so I dumped them for Peet's. Go figure.

I don't like it when TV or Conglomerates use their money to sway people to their way of thinking. I do listen to the arguments. I cannot avoid seeing them. You would have to live in a cave. Because of this, I don't watch TV at all almost. I watch abt 10hrs a month, which I see when I visit my mom, and I watch the NHL when I go to my brother's. Yes, I do see Fox and MSNBC...but I hold my head! Uggghh... When asked what I want to watch, for news at 5PM and 10PM, I throw on NBC in Chicago. Just the facts. That is all I need. I can decide what to do with the rest.