Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

[Steamix]

Sound Familure?



Post when you know......and no Google Cheating!!! or not

Goebbels AND Stalin.Not verbatim but the idea - same. Most likely a few others too.

Stalin and Goebbels. Political 'ideologies' of these two at opposite ends of the spectrum.
Yet of the same fabric when it comes to BS'ing their respective populace.

Standard tool for 'forming' public opinion - regardless of political orientation.

See current developments

 

[DPLongo22]

I don't know if either of these two things have been reported here yet, and more apologies for yet another "drive by", but just in case not:

1. H.R. 2058 now has two new co-sponsors.
May 23, 2016 — New Cosponsors, H.R. 2058: FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2015
New Cosponsor: Rep. John “Jimmy” Duncan [R-TN2]
New Cosponsor: Rep. Bill Huizenga [R-MI2]

The bill now has 56 cosponsors (56 Republicans).

(Side-note) How vaping EVER became a partisan issue is anyone's guess. Just more absurdity from our friends-who-should-be-wearing-orange.

2. This is one of the many reasons I continue to recommend supporting BOTH "2058" and Cole-Bishop:
House GOP changes rules to thwart Dems

The article has nothing to do with Cole-Bishop, but does illustrate that issues surrounding appropriations bills have a long & storied history. This is NOT to say that it can't or won't happen, but instead to point out that reliance on JUST that might be somewhat short-sighted. It's not out of the question that Cole-Bishop may get caught in a political crossfire completely unrelated to our (should-be-standalone) issue.

If any of you caught Sen. Johnson's recent interview with Cynthia Cabrera, his message was clear. MAKE YOUR VOICES HEARD.
Episode 6: U.S. Senator Ron Johnson Speaks with SFATA About FDA Deeming Reg - SFATA | Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association

And the concept that efforts related to "2058" might be "hurting" Cole-Bishop are absolutely absurd. I can't even...

• Keep the pressure valve on HIGH, and come in from ALL ANGLES.
• Attack relentlessly, and DON'T fight among ourselves.
• United, we stand...

Good day, all. Miss ya's (most of ya's, anyway).

 

[skoony]

I've said Many Times on this Forum that I'll bet skoony's next Paycheck

Don't bet it all in one place.
Spread the wealth!

Mike

 

[crxess]

Goebbels AND Stalin.Not verbatim but the idea - same. Most likely a few others too.

Stalin and Goebbels. Political 'ideologies' of these two at opposite ends of the spectrum.
Yet of the same fabric when it comes to BS'ing their respective populace.

Standard tool for 'forming' public opinion - regardless of political orientation.

See current developments

Absolutely!
Brings to mind these three words - Sheeple - Wool - Eyes

*** Now As this thread starts to slowly sink from the front page I cannot see it pass without posting this.

FDA's Attempt to Wipe out vaping as we know it and Return people to the Status Quo

Nominating FDA Poster child for Future High Tax Payers and public health Delay:

Sanctioned By the President of the United States:

 

[HBcorpse]

Anyone have anything to say about freezing FINISHED juice?
As a vaper that has transitioned to zero nic over the last five years, I may not have much to worry about with the FDA regs, at least as far as juice goes.
Keywords being "may not".
So I'd like to expand my hoarding to juice, but I've never frozen finished juices.
I'm sure I'll learned to DIY at some point, just as I learned to go from cartos to rebuildables.

Can I stock up on my favorite pre-made flavors, and have them survive in my freezer?
I know freezing the separate components always seems to be what people do...and I'm guessing that I CAN freeze finished products.

Please PM me with advice, if you can.

This thread is too large, and your answers may not be found!

Thank you in advance!!!

 

[coldgin96]

Anyone have anything to say about freezing FINISHED juice?
As a vaper that has transitioned to zero nic over the last five years, I may not have much to worry about with the FDA regs, at least as far as juice goes.
Keywords being "may not".
So I'd like to expand my hoarding to juice, but I've never frozen finished juices.
I'm sure I'll learned to DIY at some point, just as I learned to go from cartos to rebuildables.

Can I stock up on my favorite pre-made flavors, and have them survive in my freezer?
I know freezing the separate components always seems to be what people do...and I'm guessing that I CAN freeze finished products.

Please DM me with advice, if you can.

This thread is too large, and your answers may not be found!

Thank you in advance!!!

What's, "DM?"

 

[HBcorpse]

What's, "DM?"

Lol

Meant to say PM (private message).
DM (direct message) is lingo from another social media app.

 

[Lessifer]

That's totally incorrect. As long as the manufacturers register with the FDA by Aug and register their products by the end of the year, they have at least two years before their products must be taken off the market if they haven't applied for approval. This is without any legislative or legal changes to the current scenario.

Might some stop producing as we get closer to Aug 2018? Definitely, however there is a lot that can and will occur before we get there.

Well, define "dead." No new innovation. How many vendors will begin the process by submitting all of the necessary paperwork and registering their products? How many have the facilities to do industrial level production, batch tracking and testing, to ensure the product in August is the same as it was in July?

The point is, don't get complacent. Don't think that just because things don't disappear immediately that it won't be coming.

 

[crxess]

Anyone have anything to say about freezing FINISHED juice?
As a vaper that has transitioned to zero nic over the last five years, I may not have much to worry about with the FDA regs, at least as far as juice goes.
Keywords being "may not".
So I'd like to expand my hoarding to juice, but I've never frozen finished juices.
I'm sure I'll learned to DIY at some point, just as I learned to go from cartos to rebuildables.

Can I stock up on my favorite pre-made flavors, and have them survive in my freezer?
I know freezing the separate components always seems to be what people do...and I'm guessing that I CAN freeze finished products.

Please PM me with advice, if you can.

This thread is too large, and your answers may not be found!

Thank you in advance!!!

Please Visit the thread titled:

On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations

 

[SeniorBoy]

Appolagies in advance if this has already been posted. Thought I would drop this into the thread. It makes for some very very interesting reading and hopefully provides some of the core issues direct from one of the very best attorneys in the USA writing on behalf of SFATA.

Way back in 8/14 (may seem like a decade ago for the regulars ) the attorneys sent the following letter to the FDA as part of their Deeming comments:

The SFATA letter to the FDA

The letter includes signatures of two attorneys (Counsel of record) for SFATA. These partner attorneys work for Venable LLP, one of the most highly regarded law firms in the nation. With over 600 attorneys, a century of existence, and an expertise in this very issue of regulatory authority and overreach. In a nut shell, these are very high powered attorneys who specialize in law suits against regulatory authorities.

Respectfully,
Senior Boy aka "Takin it to the Streets"

 

[Kent C]

these are very high powered attorneys who specialize in law suits against regulatory authorities.

Also worth a listen - Azim Chowdhury pro-vape attorney with Dimitris - starts around 11:30 into the recording.... (this has been posted before :- ) ... by YoursTruli )

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

 

[SeniorBoy]

That's totally incorrect. ... snip... then however there is a lot that can and will occur before we get there.

I see @Lessifer has answered you and +1 to those thoughts. Have you considered the other side of the coin? Meaning that the FDA WILL continue to tighten the noose during the two years + period.

The Final Deeming is "foundational" and that's Zeller speak for more to come. It's crystal clear to every single vaping "organization". A defacto ban on flavors and NIC base. The FDA already knows exactly where the "refined" NIC base originates from and the dozen or so flavor manufacterers and if they aren't sure, those forms to be filed will certainly tell them. Internet sales: their not done with that either. Think defacto ban above and beyond the required photo ID. Combine all of this with "enforcement discression" by the FDA with a very long history of doing it and throw in some "advisorys" documents for good measure. In summary, that's a brief idea of exactly what the FDA will continue to do during that two year + period you mentioned.

 

[choochoogranny]

Why do you figure, SeniorBoy, the FDA thinks it can get away with what they're doing when facing the likes of Venable LLP?

 

[Kenna]

Please PM pictures and your current financial statement.

I'm 61, broke, disabled &, acting in your best interest, I will deny a pic offering. You would be scarred for life. [emoji72] (Unless you are into that kind of thing...in which case I recend my proposal! [emoji12] ) The upside is I vape! [emoji1] #Chickswithwicks

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[Robino1]

Yikes.................... I guess most of us don't get it. /sar

Apparently this vendor does (bolded by me):

"
“Altus T1,” by GuoVape
Dubbed “the product that will beat the FDA,” Los Angeles-based physicist David Guo’s Altus T1 uses a high thermo-conductive ceramic instead of traditional coils to heat liquid in a tank used for vaping, making the product “tobacco free” per the upcoming FDA regulations, because it doesn’t have a coil."

Source just so you don't think I made this up.

Seriously!

Just

 

[crxess]

Just

Psssst.........

We are Vapers
We are Voters
We will not be silenced
We will not Fade Quietly into the night
We will continue the Fight for that which is Right
We are NOT the Reason this country is suffering Tobacco related Disease.
We Did, We Do and We will Continue to Vape!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[classwife]

 

[Kenna]

Jennie (Johnson Creek Enterprises)

May 23, 8:47 AM

Thank you for your email. We understand. We started using the term "smoke juice" in 2008 long before this debate started. At that time we felt it was important to use a different term. "E-liquid" meant juice coming from overseas and our product was manufactured in the USA. We were the first to make it here. Additionally, vaping hadn't been accepted as its own thing. It was just an alternative to smoking. Vaping terminology was rudimentary and highly variable. If it wasn't clearly presented as alternative to smoking, then consumers didn't get it. This is why ECF went with "electronic CIGARETTE forum" and SMOKtech used "SMOK", and many others who were formed pre-2010 used that kind of terminology. Interestingly, when we first started operating, vaping was so new that people would contact us asking how they'd use our e-liquids in their meat smokers. We spent a lot of time explaining what vaping was.

Times have changed. Vaping is now vaping in and of itself and the terminology has homogenized. We started the transition away from the word "smoke" roughly a year ago. You can read more about the transition here: http://smokejuice.tumblr.com/post/121672624614/the-spirit-of-johnson-creek

It takes a while to shift branding. If we do it too abruptly then customers get confused and we've dealt with some confusion and anger from our regular customers already. Some social media sites allow users to change their names and we've done that. Some don't allow that kind of change and we may be stuck with the old username. We're switching all e-mail addresses and the URL of the website to JCVC (Johnson Creek Vapor Company) and we're rolling out a variety of new labels.

You can see a new label here: https://www.johnsoncreeksmokejuice.com/shop/e-liquid/jc-white-russianhtml

When a flavor gets a new label we're updating the graphics. If you see "smoke juice" on a page, let me know. I've not updated all of the copy yet, but I think I've fixed most of it. I think there are some pages related to cartomizers that may still use the term. Cartomizer users are very reluctant to change.

Know that we are completely rebranding and it's going to take some time, but we'll get there.

Do you know if ECF will be changing their name? I'm not sure I could get accustomed to calling it EVF and the "electronic viewfinder" groups may not appreciate the conflation.

Please let us know if there is anything else we can do for you. Have a great rest of your day!
Customer Relations Specialist

Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC
Office: (800) 280-0775
Email: support@smokejuice.com
Web: www.smokejuice.com

I ordered from them when I first began vaping almost 2 years ago. I was so new I didn't even know about the issues in differentiating between smoking & vaping. I was self educating & soon realized that there was indeed an issue. I emailed them & asked why they used terminology equating vaping with smoking. I got a similar response with the exception that they weren't going to make any changes, that was what they'd named the company & their product branding when they started, & that was that. I believed then, & still believe, that the differences between the two must be marked in order to make it clear that they are not equivalent, but in fact enormously different, even though they accomplish a similar task. IMO, they need a new Marketing Analyst.

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[Kenna]

You guys are reading too much into it. First off there are too many "leaves". Look a little less tainted at it and you'll see that it's a poor attempt at making the vapor look like a firework. Goes along with the RWB atty/mod. Just overall poor execution of a rather unique idea.

Ummm...no. It's deliberately meant to look like the other stuff.

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[Pamawoman]

Never!!! she is our baby. LOL