Do you think the fda will regulate everything?

[Jdurand]

So many anti smoking ads and ANTZ tho. Now I feel like ANTZ arent the biggest enemy. These convos have been going on for a couple years on this site. Was it only after that rough draft of the regulations came out last year. I thought vapers on here were just being government haters. I didn't know this was a serious issue or our government was this stupid, greedy, and corrupt

Many of us have bought into the crap the gov has shoved down out throats all these years, don't feel bad over it, feel good you joined the enlightened.

And believe it or not, I still think there are some good people in government, doing good things for the betterment of the country and it's citizens.

 

[Daoshen]

And believe it or not, I still think there are some good people in government, doing good things for the betterment of the country and it's citizens.

I wish I had your outlook on life. While this may very well be true at the local and possibly even state levels it seems that for all but a small few at the fed level it seems like those who really were trying to do good either get pushed out next election cycle or wind up following the herd after their first year

 

[Jdurand]

I wish I had your outlook on life. While this may very well be true at the local and possibly even state levels it seems that for all but a small few at the fed level it seems like those who really were trying to do good either get pushed out next election cycle or wind up following the herd after their first year

There has to be some sort of optimism in any situation, otherwise you just give up and become part of the flock.

 

[Rule62]

And believe it or not, I still think there are some good people in government, doing good things for the betterment of the country and it's citizens.

I believe that too. I have never bought into the 'all politicians are crooks' stuff that has become increasingly popular the last few years.
I believe there are actually people who enter into politics because they believe they can do some good; and I believe it's true on both sides of the aisle. The trick is to sort them out.

 

[Jdurand]

I believe that too. I have never bought into the 'all politicians are crooks' stuff that has become increasingly popular the last few years.
I believe there are actually people who enter into politics because they believe they can do some good; and I believe it's true on both sides of the aisle. The trick is to sort them out.

Not the easiest task, but worth it.

 

[skoony]

But 90% of the population don't vape. Now if you mean 90% of the vaping population will obey the law, then I believe you are wrong. let's not forget we are talking about addiction here.

90% of the population vapers or not will follow the law. If you consider the fact cigarettes will be
available as always this will not be to hard to believe. As far as addiction goes only about 30% ever
become dependent on smoking. That means 70% do not. I can see no reason why vaping would
not show similar results.Granted there appears to me to be a vibrant counterculture aspect
to vaping that may have an effect on the outcome but, how much and how effective it will
be remains to be seen.

Regards
Mike

 

[Jdurand]

90% of the population vapers or not will follow the law. If you consider the fact cigarettes will be
available as always this will not be to hard to believe. As far as addiction goes only about 30% ever
become dependent on smoking. That means 70% do not. I can see no reason why vaping would
not show similar results.Granted there appears to me to be a vibrant counterculture aspect
to vaping that may have an effect on the outcome but, how much and how effective it will
be remains to be seen.

Regards
Mike

Not sure where the addiction rate numbers are coming from, but in your scenario, I'm in the minority! lol

I do see your point as well.

 

[sos2001]

I've had this idea that since China is making boatloads of hard currency in the vaping industry, just have the Chinese "President" to call ours and tell him if the US Government kills their cash cow, the Chinese will dump all those Treasury IOU's on the open market and crash the house of cards called the US Economy.

 

[Jdurand]

The Chinese aren't going to kill the cash cow of the trillions of dollars in other goods they sell us over vape gear.

Good thought though.

 

[skoony]

Not sure where the addiction rate numbers are coming from,

Circa the late 70's,early 80's. I had some rudimentary education concerning addiction in general.
Basically any addictive substance (I mean this from a medical and health related way) breaks down
into 4 basic categories of users.
1. One time users who for various reasons do not use again.(the largest %)
2. Occasional and social users. Many of whom quit as they get older.( 2nd largest %)
3. Occasional and social users who never quit. Many never experience any noticeable
harm. (3rd largest %) This also includes ritualistic users. The cigar after dinner bunch
and similar low use users.
4.Dependent and or chronic users. This can range from a few cigarettes a day to packs
a day users. These are the ones that can't quit even to the detriment to their health.
This is by far the lowest % in any group. The ones that actually develop a dependency.

Regards
Mike
P.S. These groupings may not hold true for some of the newer lab created stuff.

 

[Jdurand]

Circa the late 70's,early 80's. I had some rudimentary education concerning addiction in general.
Basically any addictive substance (I mean this from a medical and health related way) breaks down
into 4 basic categories of users.
1. One time users who for various reasons do not use again.(the largest %)
2. Occasional and social users. Many of whom quit as they get older.( 2nd largest %)
3. Occasional and social users who never quit. Many never experience any noticeable
harm. (3rd largest %) This also includes ritualistic users. The cigar after dinner bunch
and similar low use users.
4.Dependent and or chronic users. This can range from a few cigarettes a day to packs
a day users. These are the ones that can't quit even to the detriment to their health.
This is by far the lowest % in any group. The ones that actually develop a dependency.

Regards
Mike
P.S. These groupings may not hold true for some of the newer lab created stuff.

OK I'll bite. So would you also then assume that the majority of vapers, who mostly vow this was the only thing that got them to quit, are in that lowest percentage? I'm not picking a fight here, this is an interesting view.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Mods could be advertised as a variable voltage/wattage (dimming) power supply for a flashlight. All we would need would be for one company to manufacture a small flashlight with a removable 510 head.

That is a pretty ingenious idea right there.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

If you think customs opens and inspects every liquid bottle that comes in from overseas you're crazy they'd slow down the operation to a crawl.

I've had three packages from Sigelei in China and all three have been opened and inspected within the last two months.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I can't see the government banning vaping/juice production legally forever, but that 30ml of juice from the big established manufacturers will likely cost a lot more.

The socialists in Chicago have a tax that goes in to effect Jan 1, 2016, that adds $0.55 cents per ml. And that is just the beginning. A pack of cigarettes have been $13+ for at least the last year here.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

Web sites should be required to somehow you put your drivers license in or maybe social number?! (Scary I know) so they can check your age.

No thanks. I'm on Twitter and I follow system security and everyone and their grandmother with a connection to the Internet has been backdoored, plundered, and left for D.E.A.D.

Yesterday it was revealed that the chip and pin security for credit cards and atms has already been broken.

 

[JMarca]

I've had three packages from Sigelei in China and all three have been opened and inspected within the last two months.

I've had over 25 packages from overseas in the last month, china I think were more like 11 maybe 12 none of them from anywhere were ever opened. These include liquids not related to vaping but liquids none the less and they weren't even looked at.

Furthermore They won't be looking for this in particular the amount of people that actually DIY is no where near on the FDA or customs radar because it's such a niche market. They don't really care about us because we wouldn't even make a fraction of a dent in what they care about, tax dollars.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

How does the saying go? "There are no atheists in fox holes during a war." And I'd like to add that "In this forum topic there are no Democrats or Republicans, just Libertarians." Now go out and vet these candidates.

 

[Tommy-Chi]

I've had over 25 packages from overseas in the last month, china I think were more like 11 maybe 12 none of them from anywhere were ever opened. These include liquids not related to vaping but liquids none the less and they weren't even looked at.

Furthermore They won't be looking for this in particular the amount of people that actually DIY is no where near on the FDA or customs radar because it's such a niche market. They don't really care about us because we wouldn't even make a fraction of a dent in what they care about, tax dollars.

I must be on a watch list!

No more vaping for me.....

 

[skoony]

OK I'll bite. So would you also then assume that the majority of vapers, who mostly vow this was the only thing that got them to quit, are in that lowest percentage? I'm not picking a fight here, this is an interesting view.

From reading this forum every day for two and a half years I would say so.
Regards
Mike

 

[philoshop]

IF I'm actually 'addicted to nicotine', my choice of the delivery system should be of no concern to my government, and they should definitely not be allowed to spend my tax money trying to eradicate the method I've chosen.