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So how is HS Virginia? I have some coming from BCV today to try. For years I have used FA Virginia and decided to try HS.
Dang it, Op, I wish I had known you wanted to try that one. It's on my "B" team. Sweet, not too tobaccoey, kinda mapley. It's a likeable one, but not for a true tobacco. Reminds me of a slightly better version of "Instrument" (Drum). Hope you like it otherwise.
I just got 10ml's mixed up @ 4.75%. I'll see how it is tomorrow. It smells a lot milder than the FA Virginia.
HS VA is very mild. It's one of the least tobacco tasting HS flavors I own. I've found adding 1.5% AP helps but there's not enough pop to it to keep in the rotation.
After trying it last nite, I agree. I mixed it at 4.75%, and I'm going to try just a tad higher percentage, if that doesn't do anything,, I'll probably just stick with the FA Virginia, which I really like anyway.
I ordered Tobacco Absolute from MyFreedomSmokes the other day, along with some Flavourart Shade, Virginia, Dark Vapure, and another bottle of 7 Leaves. Their TA is supposed to be the paste mixed with 50% PG to make a usable mix right out of the bottle (after shaking it up thoroughly).
I'm still trying flavors to see what I like. I'm highly dependent on the opinions of those who have been into DIY for a long time. Flavors in small bottles are pretty cheap, but there's no use in buying things to find out what I don't like!
So far I like the Hangsen flavors best, but that's what I've vaped in vendor juices for years now. I wonder what makes Flavourart juices take so long to steep before the strange flavor blossoms into something likeable, while the Hangsens seem to be vapable a day after mixing.
I'm still trying flavors to see what I like. I'm highly dependent on the opinions of those who have been into DIY for a long time. Flavors in small bottles are pretty cheap, but there's no use in buying things to find out what I don't like!
So far I like the Hangsen flavors best, but that's what I've vaped in vendor juices for years now. I wonder what makes Flavourart juices take so long to steep before the strange flavor blossoms into something likeable, while the Hangsens seem to be vapable a day after mixing.
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I ordered Tobacco Absolute from MyFreedomSmokes the other day, along with some Flavourart Shade, Virginia, Dark Vapure, and another bottle of 7 Leaves. Their TA is supposed to be the paste mixed with 50% PG to make a usable mix right out of the bottle (after shaking it up thoroughly).
I'm still trying flavors to see what I like. I'm highly dependent on the opinions of those who have been into DIY for a long time. Flavors in small bottles are pretty cheap, but there's no use in buying things to find out what I don't like!
So far I like the Hangsen flavors best, but that's what I've vaped in vendor juices for years now. I wonder what makes Flavourart juices take so long to steep before the strange flavor blossoms into something likeable, while the Hangsens seem to be vapable a day after mixing.
I think what makes companies like HS and INW superior is their use of tobacco leaf distillation and extraction. They aren't NETs but they aren't synthetic either. They start off with the true flavor out of the gate and steeping brings out definition vs change in favor for the most part.
TFA and FA duplicate tobacco flavors by using complex blends of individual synthetic flavor molecules (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong on this.) By using complex flavor molecules it makes it easier for a user to get off notes because our tastes are so unique. The only way to settle down off notes is time or additives and even then it doesn't always work for the individual.
HS tobacco flavors are the most stable and easy to use tobacco flavors I have personally ever used. So much so that I've been exclusively vaping HS for over 2 years now. I've given up on everything else. I haven't even experimented with a new flavor in over 6 months. I've reached the ain't broke don't fix chapter of DIY.
I haven't tried any of the recent flavors I ordered, including the MFS TA. I just got the shipment out or the mailbox a few minutes ago. After reading MR Mann's lengthy article on TA I'm wondering if I really want the ashy taste of a real cigarette. It sounds like the description of FA Black Fire. I haven't tried that because it smells ashy and users report that it tastes like cigarette ashes. That's something that I'd only want in barely detectable amounts.
What I'm looking for is a remnant of fresh unburned tobacco similar to what you sense when you opened a pack of smokes (back when we all smoked). I've sensed that a couple of times in vendor juices and can't remember the vendor or the flavor I was vaping at that time.
I do remember that the fresh tobacco flavor on the exhale was a nice note in the juice. FA Virginia and FA Shade are in the shipment I just received. I'll have to read up on recipes using those and try them.
Here's Mr Mann's closed thread about Tobacco Absolute in case some haven't seen it. It's pretty enlightening.
Tobacco Absolute (the NET redheaded stepchild)
What I'm looking for is a remnant of fresh unburned tobacco similar to what you sense when you opened a pack of smokes (back when we all smoked). I've sensed that a couple of times in vendor juices and can't remember the vendor or the flavor I was vaping at that time.
I do remember that the fresh tobacco flavor on the exhale was a nice note in the juice. FA Virginia and FA Shade are in the shipment I just received. I'll have to read up on recipes using those and try them.
Here's Mr Mann's closed thread about Tobacco Absolute in case some haven't seen it. It's pretty enlightening.
Tobacco Absolute (the NET redheaded stepchild)
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Bob,
As usual your right on the money. And also with synthetic flavorings expecially TFA, there so tempermental to under and over flavoring where extracted tobacco flavorings such as hangsen are more forgiving of over and underflavoring.
Hey Jeremy, S-up,
I mixed up some ECX 8mg/ml Unflavored w/1.75% FA Flash and started with 3% of you're Arabic HS trying to just enhance my TH a little. 3% of Arabic HS I found was WAAAYY too much, so, I went down by .5% steps till I got to;
8mg/ml EXC Unflavored mix @ 50/50
.5% Arabic HS
1.75% FA Flash
and think I have my needed recipe for enhanced TH. I switched back to my old mixture, which is identical but without the Arabic, and noticed a definite lacking of TH but it is still vape-able. I never would have guessed that .5% would make that much difference, but it does, that Arabic HS is some Strong stuff (I get a spicy tobacco-ish flavor) . It has taken me exactly 10 months of fine tuning this recipe to get it just right (counting all the steep time), but I got it. Thank You for the suggestion that I try you're beloved Arabic HS, now I love it too. I got the Arabic from Arabic Tobacco-HS .
Have a Good One Jeremy
I mixed up some ECX 8mg/ml Unflavored w/1.75% FA Flash and started with 3% of you're Arabic HS trying to just enhance my TH a little. 3% of Arabic HS I found was WAAAYY too much, so, I went down by .5% steps till I got to;
8mg/ml EXC Unflavored mix @ 50/50
.5% Arabic HS
1.75% FA Flash
and think I have my needed recipe for enhanced TH. I switched back to my old mixture, which is identical but without the Arabic, and noticed a definite lacking of TH but it is still vape-able. I never would have guessed that .5% would make that much difference, but it does, that Arabic HS is some Strong stuff (I get a spicy tobacco-ish flavor) . It has taken me exactly 10 months of fine tuning this recipe to get it just right (counting all the steep time), but I got it. Thank You for the suggestion that I try you're beloved Arabic HS, now I love it too. I got the Arabic from Arabic Tobacco-HS .
Have a Good One Jeremy
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I mixed up another batch of juices this morning. I tend to do half a dozen 50ml glass dropper bottles when I mix. I've been lucky so far doing 50ml batches of single flavor tobaccos. I tend to start low in tobacco flavors and work upward if necessary. This time, I stuck my neck out and did a 50m bottle of 3% FA Seven Leaves with .5% FA Black Fire. In a week or two I'll comment on it. It's a recipe I found on another site that had positive comments for the mix.
The others were new Hangsens I ordered a couple of weeks ago. I'm labeling with more info these days and keeping better records of what I did in recent batches. EjuiceMeUp is good for that if you print the mix sheets, date them, and keep them on file with comments about the result.
The others were new Hangsens I ordered a couple of weeks ago. I'm labeling with more info these days and keeping better records of what I did in recent batches. EjuiceMeUp is good for that if you print the mix sheets, date them, and keep them on file with comments about the result.
After reading about your experience I may have gone way over in the HS Arabic Tobacco I mixed up today. Mine was Hangsen Essence Arabic Tobacco, FWIW. I mixed it as a single flavor at 4%. We'll see how it comes out. The nice part about single flavors is that you can easily cut it with PG/VG/Nic later.
I love Seven Leaves, but it is a tough one to steep. I use it at 2.5%. Very curious to see how it works out for you.
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I picked up the recipe in a post here or it might have been from another site. I've been sitting on a bottle of FA Black Fire for a while and was hesitant to try it blind. 7 Leaves in the mixes I've done in single flavor have taken weeks to steep and develop anything like a tobacco flavor, so it seemed like a good experiment. We'll see how it turns out.
Maybe Black Fire will offset the sweetness in 7 Leaves and produce something that's a keeper.
WOW, .. I'm the first one to admit my taste buds are shot, but ...
First off, I don't like a strong tobacco flavor, but I worked my way up to 10% with the FA Seven Leaves (solo)
I considered it "mild" at 8% (according to notes) ... I liked it better (solo), at 10%, but I also made a note that it was a tad "dry".
The FA Black Fire I liked at 3%
The HS Arabic, I liked at 5% ...Some say they taste a touch of chocolate in it, but I only picked up on a little sweetness.
I might add that I mix well ahead of my vaping pace, and all of them had steeped at least 8 weeks, if not more.
So they were about as "mature" as they were going to get. Maybe the long steep mellowed them out
Dave ... I do the same thing with everything I mix ... I print it out, and then make notes at vaping time.
I have a large collection of the ones I liked filed away for reference.
Exactly. That's what I did (several times) with my Arabic mix till I got it where I wanted it to be. Everybody's taste is different, you might like it on the stronger side. I've been tobacco free since 8-2014 and find that I use less and less spice on my foods and less and less flavoring in my vape, otherwise it gets overpowering to me, PLUS, my main goal was to get More TH out of my vape and that's where I was coming from.
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I shake it a for a minute or more a couple of times a day and wait 10-14 days before I test it.
The 3% FA 7 Leaves Ultimate with .5% FA Black Fire Tobacco turned out to be a great tobacco flavor for me. After steeping for almost two weeks I dipped into it and vaped about 30ml in one day. I kept going back time after time. It's on my keeper recipe list big time!
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