2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[RB37]

I fully understand katya, but you may want to reread your post and tell me how your post is not the pot calling the kettle black...

 

[Quick1]

Regardless of whatever the risks may be, I am sure it is still far safer than smoking. Or at least, my recently absent morning cough seems to think so.

However, I think at any point where you have things actually burning (and they are - I've examined burnt cartos myself), you have a potential health risk.

Like I said, there are ways to avoid, minimize, and catch a carto when it starts to degrade in this way. I'm not being "chicken little" about it. I use them, I recommend them, but at the same time, there is a certain amount of caution and care that one should take when using something with flammable components which are tightly wrapped around a heating element.

The fact I was stating is that burnt material breathed in by cigarettes, as well as virtually any other delivery system that requires burning, have been repeatedly shown to have health risks. That was not about cartos.

Again, if you don't believe that, why switch to e-cigs? If burning stuff isn't harmful, then pure tobacco rollie cigarettes would have no risk of lung cancer, since they contain no additives. But rollie smokers can get lung cancer almost as readily as a tailor smoker.

If you want to end the conversation, I don't see why you keep replying by asking me questions.

I don't mean to be rude but that's not what you said at all. You said this:

It's not like carto's are the safest way to vape in the first place. We all know that.

My objection is that "we" don't all know that. *I* don't know that so we *all* don't know that (or are convinced of it). Can we leave it at that?

 

[sanfordf]

What I am wondering is, has anyone tried the other CE1 Turbo cartomizers that are 51mm long? That's longer (holding more juice, I assume) than what I am using now. I assume they use the 'current' design, only longer.

Link : 50 PCS EMPTY CARTOMIZERS FOR V-GO

Or : http://www.ecigfair.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44_45&product_id=59

And I think there is still hope for the CE2 cartomizers.

 

[Katya]

I fully understand katya, but you may want to reread your post and tell me how your post is not the pot calling the kettle black...

I stated FACTS about my communication with a giant manufacturer in China.

You posted speculations about possible motives and business ethics of a company many of us here do business with.

 

[5cardstud]

I don't mean to be rude but that's not what you said at all. You said this:


My objection is that "we" don't all know that. *I* don't know that so we *all* don't know that (or are convinced of it). Can we leave it at that?

I find cartos to be allot healthier option myself. Since I switched to cartos my lungs have cleared up completely. Like anything else you need to have the voltage set to the proper level for whatever device your using. The healthiest option would be not to put anything into your lungs but air however I enjoy enjoy inhaled nicotine and believe this is the healthiest option.

 

[br5495]

If you kids don't quit that bickering, I'm gonna turn you all over my knee and give you a spanking.

 

[sanfordf]

What I am wondering is, has anyone tried the other CE1 Turbo cartomizers that are 51mm long? That's longer (holding more juice, I assume) than what I am using now. I assume they use the 'current' design, only longer.

Link : 50 PCS EMPTY CARTOMIZERS FOR V-GO

Or : 50 PCS EMPTY CARTOMIZERS 808 C-E1

And I think there is still hope for the CE2 cartomizers.

Yes, no, maybe?

 

[RB37]

I stated FACTS about my communication with a giant manufacturer in China.

You posted speculations about possible motives and business ethics of a company many of us here do business with.

I concur...

 

[zbasspro]

I believe there's more to this than we'll ever know. I just can't see working a deal for exclusive rights to a product and not being involved along the way. I don't question V4L ethics, but it doesn't add up. I mean the statement sounds like they just received a few of them (by offering 10 samples), and calling it a dud. I could sure see a wicking problem as previously described, but wouldn't you think they were involved in testing along the way? I would think so. Why would you jump through hoops to get exclusive rights to a product and not even know if it's going to perform properly? Something just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. No accusations, no ethics questioning, just head scratching at best.

 

[naviathan]

I believe there's more to this than we'll ever know. I just can't see working a deal for exclusive rights to a product and not being involved along the way. I don't question V4L ethics, but it doesn't add up. I mean the statement sounds like they just received a few of them (by offering 10 samples), and calling it a dud. I could sure see a wicking problem as previously described, but wouldn't you think they were involved in testing along the way? I would think so. Why would you jump through hoops to get exclusive rights to a product and not even know if it's going to perform properly? Something just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. No accusations, no ethics questioning, just head scratching at best.

They setup the exclusive with a stipulation on testing. Their tests didn't add up and they pulled out. I'm impressed that they released their information to the rest of us instead of just staying quiet and letting everything slip away quietly.

 

[zbasspro]

They setup the exclusive with a stipulation on testing. Their tests didn't add up and they pulled out. I'm impressed that they released their information to the rest of us instead of just staying quiet and letting everything slip away quietly.

Do you know this? I am honestly asking as I'm just scratching my head here. Like I said I'm not questioning V4L or their ethics, maybe they got some initial samples that were different than the latest product they received. If you know what you said to be true that clears things up some, otherwise this does leave itself open to a lot of speculation.

 

[zbasspro]

One point of contention.... we received WAY more than 10 samples. I personally went through more than 10 cartos myself... trying to find a winner.

The 10 comment was directed towards the ones being offered today to customers. Thank you for the input. I'm just looking for clarification.

 

[BanjoMan]

Best just to let the ones ordered get here and wait for the reviews. I'm sure there will be more than a few.

 

[naviathan]

One point of contention.... we received WAY more than 10 samples. I personally went through more than 10 cartos myself... trying to find a winner.

I have to ask since you're posting. What types of liquids did you try? Do you have any resistance tests on the coils? How did you disassemble the carts and can they be taken apart and put back together easily? Do you have any suggestions on modding them to work better?

 

[zbasspro]

One point of contention.... we received WAY more than 10 samples. I personally went through more than 10 cartos myself... trying to find a winner.

Also, would you consider this to be something that could possible be isolated to that style, or would you consider it an across the board design flaw?

 

[zbasspro]

We receive the latest samples yesterday... which was our second batch of samples.

Both batches were pretty consistent then I'm assuming. Thank you BTW for answering questions.

 

[naviathan]

We received the 808D-1, the standard 808, the 401, and the 510. The design and performance were the same across the board... IMO.

Ouch...That hurts. I'm waiting on my order of 510 cartos and I was hoping there may be some chance.

 

[naviathan]

So the revised samples were better, but still not worth it?

 

[zbasspro]

We received the 808D-1, the standard 808, the 401, and the 510. The design and performance were the same across the board... IMO.

Thanks for the input as well as answering questions. As my previous responses stated it was about questioning someone's ethics. As others have stated it was/is a stand up statement to make. Unfortunately their came with it some speculation. Some others have posted fairly positive reviews. I trust your judgement, but will not keep from holding out hope that the few I ordered will serve their purpose

 

[zbasspro]

Just to add to the speculation some more. Most orders have been in processing for some time now, and I wonder if they are trying to correct this issue before shipping? hmmmm