2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[Quick1]

Ummm, naviathan, I know this will probably be taken the wrong way and people will probably read more into it than what's there but it's not intended as such. The appearance is that you're not completely impartial in this. You do have some association with the manufacturer. If only that they asked you to start the other thread for them and act as their spokesman due to their difficulty in expressing themselves in English.

I could imagine you doing that simply as being a good ECF citizen and interested in a newly developed product and everything and that appears to be pretty much the case. I think you've been doing a fine job and I think everybody else appreciates that too.

Having said that, maybe a disclosure would be in order just to clear the air. Surely you should feel no obligation to do so and it's entirely up to you. I'm sure some have wondered about the details of how your relationship with the manufacturer came about, why they asked you to start a thread and speak for them, what your interest is in doing so, and if you're being compesated in any way. (by the way, I would see absolutely nothing untoward about that. Free order or something of that sort. It's certainly taking some effort on your part to start a thread, relay information, questions and answers back and forth, etc.)

So far, I've seen you to be moderately pro on the product. Maybe to the point of discounting/omitting negative reviews while pointing to a positive one. Reserved advocacy.

After reading everything I can find on these I'm pretty confident they will be a decent upgrade from the usual, but not quite perfect yet.

For those looking for the needle they use to fill these (with the plastic tip) they can be found HERE

E-liquid Web Shop CN Cartomizer refill set

Who says I'm promoting? I'm relaying the information I'm being given. I'll reserve my personal opinions until I actually get my shipment.

 

[Quick1]

oh i know that fully, but since people had a wicking issue i figured maybe they are raising the ohm so it doesnt get as hot to alleviate this issue. so since they already have a wicking issue a lower ohm to simulate HV might be one of the issues. 2.5 may be to low for these cartos to function properly on 3.7 mods

thats why i asked.

2.5 ohms to 2.8 ohms is relatively insignificant.
In perspective, LR atomizers generally run 1.5 ohms to 1.8 ohms.
Normal variation from one atomizer to the next of the same kind is often +/- 0.1 ohms (or even 0.2 ohms).
3.3v to 3.7v mods is not that great of a jump.


Someone earlier (naviathan?) said the eGo is the same voltage as the Joye 510.

 

[jsaveker]

Hmm.. wonder if the cartos come packaged with a syringe needle?

Well mine certainly did not... I wish I had of known they sold the thin needles as I have had to make the small holes larger with a small tool.

It would be much easier if I had such a fine gauge needle.

 

[jsaveker]

Do you think this is an introductory price and it's going to go up?

I am not sure, perhaps not.

Either way I don't want to take the chance. I ordered a moderate amount initially to see if they worked for me. I had tried Carto's before and never liked them.. these seemed different and worth a shot.

I find them nothing like the old carto's, they are more like an atty...

I broke the top of one earlier and started dripping in to it with a drip tip... it's sublime and much cheaper than an atty

I need to drill a hole in the side and try it out with my AFS... now that would be awesome.

 

[naviathan]

Ummm, naviathan, I know this will probably be taken the wrong way and people will probably read more into it than what's there but it's not intended as such. The appearance is that you're not completely impartial in this. You do have some association with the manufacturer. If only that they asked you to start the other thread for them and act as their spokesman due to their difficulty in expressing themselves in English.

I could imagine you doing that simply as being a good ECF citizen and interested in a newly developed product and everything and that appears to be pretty much the case. I think you've been doing a fine job and I think everybody else appreciates that too.

Having said that, maybe a disclosure would be in order just to clear the air. Surely you should feel no obligation to do so and it's entirely up to you. I'm sure some have wondered about the details of how your relationship with the manufacturer came about, why they asked you to start a thread and speak for them, what your interest is in doing so, and if you're being compesated in any way. (by the way, I would see absolutely nothing untoward about that. Free order or something of that sort. It's certainly taking some effort on your part to start a thread, relay information, questions and answers back and forth, etc.)

So far, I've seen you to be moderately pro on the product. Maybe to the point of discounting/omitting negative reviews while pointing to a positive one. Reserved advocacy.

I completely understand why some people might think I'm advocating for the manufacturer so I have no qualms in disclosing my relationship with them. When word of the new product came out I started researching just like everyone else. I also put in an order like quite a few others. When V4L posted their results I relayed the information directly to e-liquid.cn in email. They of course rebutted and I posted some of those emails. Later I guess my emails and forum posts were sent back to Royal Smokers (the designers) and microcig (the manufacturer). Martinez of Royal Smokers and I started communicating about issues relayed by V4L and their disappointment in how things were handled regarding the whole situation. He asked that I relay information to the forum because their English isn't very good. So here we are, I have relayed information as I received it and as it seemed pertinent. I'm not withholding anything from anyone and I'm not being compensated in any way. Martinez, has sent me information on the original design, the updated design and the redesign for the KR808 series which he has said they're still looking at. We may see a new design for the higher voltage batteries in the future and we might even see some new designs for all the models. The entire reason I started communicating with them was simply to take what looks to me like a good product and keep it moving in the right direction. I was concerned that the fallout with V4L would turn the manufacturer off from working with US resellers and possibly the US in general. Kind of extreme sounding I'm sure, but I think the route has proven itself to be worth while.

 

[Quick1]

I am not sure, perhaps not.

Either way I don't want to take the chance. I ordered a moderate amount initially to see if they worked for me. I had tried Carto's before and never liked them.. these seemed different and worth a shot.

over a hundred...moderate amount. You don't need an extra son do you?

I find them nothing like the old carto's, they are more like an atty...

I would expect that to very much be the case. The vaporizing part is just like an atomizer. And the (fillerless) resevoir is isolated from the vaporizing chamber/area.

I need to drill a hole in the side and try it out with my AFS... now that would be awesome.

hmmm... there is a double wall right? The outer wall, then the inner wall of the resevoir before you get to the center with the atomizer and wick right? Where are you planning to drill to? and how far up?

 

[Quick1]

I completely understand why some people might think I'm advocating for the manufacturer so I have no qualms in disclosing my relationship with them. When word of the new product came out I started researching just like everyone else. I also put in an order like quite a few others. When V4L posted their results I relayed the information directly to e-liquid.cn in email. They of course rebutted and I posted some of those emails. Later I guess my emails and forum posts were sent back to Royal Smokers (the designers) and microcig (the manufacturer). Martinez of Royal Smokers and I started communicating about issues relayed by V4L and their disappointment in how things were handled regarding the whole situation. He asked that I relay information to the forum because their English isn't very good. So here we are, I have relayed information as I received it and as it seemed pertinent. I'm not withholding anything from anyone and I'm not being compensated in any way. Martinez, has sent me information on the original design, the updated design and the redesign for the KR808 series which he has said they're still looking at. We may see a new design for the higher voltage batteries in the future and we might even see some new designs for all the models. The entire reason I started communicating with them was simply to take what looks to me like a good product and keep it moving in the right direction. I was concerned that the fallout with V4L would turn the manufacturer off from working with US resellers and possibly the US in general. Kind of extreme sounding I'm sure, but I think the route has proven itself to be worth while.

Thanks for that.

As for relaying information to them...
I want them to put a coil in there that's equivalent to what's in the KR808D-1s I use now... 3.1 ohm to 3.4 ohm and never burns out even at 6v - 7v

 

[naviathan]

I stand corrected, Martinez is from Spain. The reason he started his factory was because he could not get the quality products his customers were looking for from typical Chinese manufacturers. This is why we're able to get such quick updates from him and such detailed information.

Those with KR808-d1 cartos on order, they will not be the higher ohm versions at this time. They haven't shipped the new model higher ohm versions yet. Apparently, and I'll need V4L to chime in here, there were some updated batteries shipped for these new cartos that are all the lower voltage, including a version of the KR808 battery. The current run of cartos being shipped now are not intended to be used with batteries above 3.3 volts loaded. Wednesday they will begin production of both the 2.6 ohm and 2.8-3 ohm versions of the cartos, so we have that to look forward to. I'll find out when they should start shipping.

 

[naviathan]

Thanks for that.

As for relaying information to them...
I want them to put a coil in there that's equivalent to what's in the KR808D-1s I use now... 3.1 ohm to 3.4 ohm and never burns out even at 6v - 7v

I'll pass this along, but I don't know about getting results on it right away. That's kind of a niche product and we would probably need a request from a retailer that could afford to purchase a large amount initially.

 

[jsaveker]

over a hundred...moderate amount. You don't need an extra son do you?

lol they are only around $1 a piece and the shipping to the UK was like $50 minimum so I figured grab a few of the Carto's and a few litres of Dekang (at only $60 a litre) to offset the shipping.

hmmm... there is a double wall right? The outer wall, then the inner wall of the resevoir before you get to the center with the atomizer and wick right? Where are you planning to drill to? and how far up?

Ahh very good point... I did not give the mechanics much thought.... just got caught up in the buzz over in the GG forum about drilling carto's.

In hind sight it just would not work.

 

[naviathan]

It's not a double wall. It's a single wall with a cup. If you look at the video from the Ducks review you'll get the idea.

 

[Quick1]

I'll pass this along, but I don't know about getting results on it right away. That's kind of a niche product and we would probably need a request from a retailer that could afford to purchase a large amount initially.

I'm not in a niche... the rest of the world is.

 

[naviathan]

I'm not in a niche... the rest of the world is.

Well, in that case...

 

[Aras]

Just got my 510 ce2's friday, today is monday. Loaded a few up using a syringe. I'm using topvapor, vaporbomb 50/50, and halo brand ejuices on a hello 016 battery (geoduck), 510 regular and mega batts.. Just vaped so much my hands are shaking.

I got 60 pieces, no syringe with the shipment. I already have one anyhow. The ones I received have 7 holes in the "inner" cap, not 3.

Seems as though these are not wicking properly as before stated by others. The batts I'm using are joye 510 and another joye knockoff 510. Also the hello 016. One or 2 puffs is fine but after that I have to let it sit for a few minutes or else I get the burnt juice taste. I don't get too many breaks at work and they don't like me vaping inside (chef) so, I vape 10 - 15 puffs within 2 or 3 minutes at a time. These will not serve my purpose as it seems to be 1 or 2 puffs every 3 or so minutes. No difference between the 3.7v hello batt and the reg 510 or the mega 510. All the same result.

They have a very prominent throat hit, not sure if this is from the burning of juice. Flavor after one hit drgrades. I repeat, burnt taste after just one puff. I counted only to 7 on the first puff and 5 on the second puff. Not long draws at all. Still, burnt taste. This is using brand new from the package ce2 cartos. The taste gets worse as the day goes on.

I have tried filling a few different ways and the syringe is the only way I found that works. If I had tried these before buying them I would have not made the purchase. I like version 1 cartos better.

I ordered before V4L's post... I shouldn't have. A lesson learned by a chronic early adopter.

Back to the drawing board.

I would not suggest that anyone purchase these.

 

[naviathan]

Just got my 510 ce2's friday, today is monday. Loaded a few up using a syringe. I'm using topvapor, vaporbomb 50/50, and halo brand ejuices on a hello 016 battery (geoduck), 510 regular and mega batts.. Just vaped so much my hands are shaking.

I got 60 pieces, no syringe with the shipment. I already have one anyhow. The ones I received have 7 holes in the "inner" cap, not 3.

Seems as though these are not wicking properly as before stated by others. The batts I'm using are joye 510 and another joye knockoff 510. Also the hello 016. One or 2 puffs is fine but after that I have to let it sit for a few minutes or else I get the burnt juice taste. I don't get too many breaks at work and they don't like me vaping inside (chef) so, I vape 10 - 15 puffs within 2 or 3 minutes at a time. These will not serve my purpose as it seems to be 1 or 2 puffs every 3 or so minutes. No difference between the 3.7v hello batt and the reg 510 or the mega 510. All the same result.

They have a very prominent throat hit, not sure if this is from the burning of juice. Flavor after one hit drgrades. I repeat, burnt taste after just one puff. I counted only to 7 on the first puff and 5 on the second puff. Not long draws at all. Still, burnt taste. This is using brand new from the package ce2 cartos. The taste gets worse as the day goes on.

I have tried filling a few different ways and the syringe is the only way I found that works. If I had tried these before buying them I would have not made the purchase. I like version 1 cartos better.

I ordered before V4L's post... I shouldn't have. A lesson learned by a chronic early adopter.

Back to the drawing board.

I would not suggest that anyone purchase these.

Alright, seems we're running a 50/50 shot on these. Do you do any modding? How many do you have left? I'd be interested in getting some off of you if you don't mind.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Just got my 510 ce2's friday, today is monday. Loaded a few up using a syringe. I'm using topvapor, vaporbomb 50/50, and halo brand ejuices on a hello 016 battery (geoduck), 510 regular and mega batts.. Just vaped so much my hands are shaking.

I got 60 pieces, no syringe with the shipment. I already have one anyhow. The ones I received have 7 holes in the "inner" cap, not 3.

Seems as though these are not wicking properly as before stated by others. The batts I'm using are joye 510 and another joye knockoff 510. Also the hello 016. One or 2 puffs is fine but after that I have to let it sit for a few minutes or else I get the burnt juice taste. I don't get too many breaks at work and they don't like me vaping inside (chef) so, I vape 10 - 15 puffs within 2 or 3 minutes at a time. These will not serve my purpose as it seems to be 1 or 2 puffs every 3 or so minutes. No difference between the 3.7v hello batt and the reg 510 or the mega 510. All the same result.

They have a very prominent throat hit, not sure if this is from the burning of juice. Flavor after one hit drgrades. I repeat, burnt taste after just one puff. I counted only to 7 on the first puff and 5 on the second puff. Not long draws at all. Still, burnt taste. This is using brand new from the package ce2 cartos. The taste gets worse as the day goes on.

I have tried filling a few different ways and the syringe is the only way I found that works. If I had tried these before buying them I would have not made the purchase. I like version 1 cartos better.

I ordered before V4L's post... I shouldn't have. A lesson learned by a chronic early adopter.

Back to the drawing board.

I would not suggest that anyone purchase these.

Thanks for that... but it appears that maybe the juice has to be thin as heck and with minimal flavor, and to use lower voltage than what 3.7v PVs put out to get the best wicking results.....

With that being said... I tested the KR8 type V2 cartos with an adapter on an ego (since it has been stated 3.7v mods may be too much for it).. using some nhaler lung juice that I had from back ago...(which is mild flavor and thin) it appears that it shortens the wicking wait between vapes, but does not make it carefree... I still stand by my previous stated assesments.... a few people are receiving some of my v2 cartos for their firsthand experience... but I am done making comments on this... since I feel I have exausted all possible testing options.. and put out all the info I can..... I wish everyone the best with this.. and I see that this is a step closer to something new... (even though GreenCig carto's element does not touch the filler, but those are not my cup of tea)


as far as relaying messages from the supplier/manufacurer .... just keep in mind there is a fineline in gathering information and being an associate... we want information to get educated, but second hand information is just hearsay .. so it may not be as benificial to the community as it may seem.

 

[BanjoMan]

At best it seems we're dealing with some quality control issues. Either that or some of our reviewers have markedly different vaping styles.

 

[hova]

any , and i mean anyone wanting to get rid of some of these , let me know ill at least make you an offer.

id really like a couple of each to check out and try , basically. im unhappy with atomizer performance , and i would love these if the dripping is more useful , but the (soon to be)wife would kill me if i spend >100$ a week before out wedding on some stuff from china...

-hov

 

[naviathan]

as far as relaying messages from the supplier/manufacurer .... just keep in mind there is a fineline in gathering information and being an associate... we want information to get educated, but second hand information is just hearsay .. so it may not be as benificial to the community as it may seem.

Second hand information is just hearsay, and everyone can take what I post as such if they wish. I will assure anyone who is even concerned with my honesty that I am not pushing anything. I have no business interests or even personal interests here. I'm very interested in what I believe is a product in the right direction and am relaying information in order to ensure that this continues in the right direction. I think they've made it very clear they're willing to work with us. There's a new version going into full production in a couple days that is better capable of handling the higher voltages. We don't know that the versions that are being delivered are the original version that had major issues or the revised version that even V4L said worked better, but weren't up to their standard. When I receive my order, or any others if I can get any in the mean time, I'll make my judgement, attempt any improvement if I can and pass the results along to Martinez so he can make his adjustments (if necessary) and everyone can get a better product in the end.

Before anyone asks, I'm an electronics technician working on a contract with the DoD. I have no interest in e-cigs outside of personal use.

 

[laborer75]

Be interesting to see how these would work out in a GG AFS.