2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[BanjoMan]

Banjo im gonna admit something i shouldnt, but i had no idea the wick cant burn, i tried with a lighter and nothing.

then when i was dry burning these i never took it to the point where the wick returned to a clean white with a clean coil. So i did a dry burn on one and eventually it turned white as new including the coil. I was wondering what you meant when you said it turns white again and now i know,lol.

dumb me. but that leads me back to what i said yesterday, that means there is no burning and its strictly a drying taste issue which was caused by the tight coil and lower ohm.

I have to admit it never occured to me to take a lighter to the wick, but I don't mess with lighters much anymore.

My last dry burn on my original 510 never did get it back to white (and I tried). It made it to a light gray and it still tastes good, so I dunno...

I think the next test here is to see just how long they can be used before they either pop or get so dirty they can't be cleaned well enough to reuse. I plan on taking it to the limit.

 

[Quick1]

the less bacterial part, well it is better because there is no filler so in that sense these are better,

on what do you base this on? You seem to make the assumption that filler somehow promotes bacterial infestation.

But that wasn't my point at all. You had questions or were wondering about something BR said based on conflicting or non-parallel product information you read on that site. It wasn't a comment on the E2s or the issues at all. I was just chuckling at your lending any shred of credence to any of the infomercial there.

 

[badkolo]

on what do you base this on? You seem to make the assumption that filler somehow promotes bacterial infestation.

But that wasn't my point at all. You had questions or were wondering about something BR said based on conflicting or non-parallel product information you read on that site. It wasn't a comment on the E2s or the issues at all. I was just chuckling at your lending any shred of credence to any of the infomercial there.

I said i dont belive in the anti bacterial part, I ALWAYS CARED ABOUT NOT HAVING A FILLER THAT BURNS LIKE SO MANY HAVE SHOWN IN PICS AND KILLS THE TASTE OF MY JUICES., now when it comes to no filler being better then filler, well im going by all the burnt filler material i see from carto to carto. i wont get into if its bad for you or not, but I simply dont want that.

I dont see other then my excitement over their product how im giving credence to the stuff they have said, i think if you look at my posts i have not only agree with you but have ripped on them many times at the same time I believe and others as well that they have a innovative product that when works blows away other cartomizers.

Your confusing or shall i say, your dwelling on there mistakes and overlooking the product. Now that they made adjustments, a person can now buy 1000 of these and never have to deal with the company and thier pr again, but they are the only ones making these so you can choose to deal with it or you can pass it by and not deal with it, we have chosen to deal with it because the product has shown its potential.

What happens when people receive working higher ohm'd e2 and have no issues, are you still gonna go back to pointing out the intial pr mishap that went on and goes on, I mean vendors and other chines companies that many deal with still make claims that arent true, one being that a carto is equivalent to 1 pack of cigs. Are you in those threads to rippin on them to or is it just this thread.

Please dont think im arguing with you, I'll state again I agree with much of what you have said but to what end. I would follow you even further in their hanging but the product works and thats where i have to part from that lynching .

I also realize we are in between a rock and a hard place, since no one else is making these cartos but we are all over 18 here, we are all adults and we can make up our own minds if we want to deal with these people or not and we are here to give each other information so they can use that as well in the decision process..

 

[WitchWay]

are you sure its a 510 connection and not the other version they have that fits a 510 but not so well. thats besides the inner post issue. im sure your correct but i only ask becuase of what i read on thier site, the other model fits a 510 cennection but not well.

This would explain why the black ones I received do not screw all the way down and the stainless ones do. Also the two are different diameters. My T-tips fit the black ones but not the stainless ones. I ordered them both as 510s but now wonder if they are sending out the 808 minis as 510s to get rid of them.

The black ones are just like the black ones I got from Vapor Junction, but the stainless ones seem to be working much better, albeit still a bit hot for my liking.


Banjo... I kept looking at the LS to use with these cartos. The Buzz only goes down to 3.4 volts regulated and they are still a touch too hot even at that. Thank you for confirming the LS does go lower. Hubby is going to kill me if I buy ANOTHER mod

br... thank you for that wonderful review and findings!!!


Happy Vaping!

 

[ChuckB]

After using these for a couple of days, I'm mostly impressed. I have two in rotation right now with the same juice. One of them will only work on two of my batteries, the other works on every battery that I've tried it on including my nicostick but not on an adapter to the 801 batteries. I cleaned the threads on both of these before I tried using them and the one that fits on most of my batteries has to have had the filthiest threads of any carto or atty I've ever had.

They both have good taste and vapor, better on a 510 battery than on a nicostick with fresh batteries but still good there too. I haven't tried fluffing up the wick or loosening the coil on either one of these and they seem to work fine other than the battery connection issue. I have noticed on both of them that if I take a real long draw for the second or third puff, I can get a bit of dry taste towards the end, but other than that they seem to keep up fairly well.

To fill these cartos, I purchased a 22 gage needle from the local Tractor Supply and blunted it with a dremel. Works great except these 55 year old eyes have problems seeing the hole with my fat fist in the way. Takes longer to clean up the syringe after I'm done than it takes to fill up two of the cartos.

My only hold up right now that's preventing me from ordering more of these is the threading issue. I already have 30 some odd batteries (yes, went a little nuts on that when I first started) and would like to be able to use what I've got and not purchase any others. The one that works on most batteries threads on a lot easier and farther, the other one won't thread all the way on some of the batteries, it's like the cutter should have gone another turn or so and finished the last turn of threads. The cone shaped cutout on the center contact is the problem for use on the 801 to 510 adapter, on the adapter the contact is slightly narrower. It works on all of my other cartos and attys, but not on these and that seems to be the only real difference.

 

[WitchWay]

I'm fairly certain they are a 510 connection. I compared them with a Joye fitting and the threads are almost the same. The better working threads look closer. The worse working thread has the air holes too high. Going by WitchWay's new order, I think her different threads are doing the same thing as mine. I just think her estimate of a 1/8 gap is a bit much.

The 808b (mini) are almost identical to the Joye fittings and would explain why they do not screw all the way down on some fittings. I took a caliper to the gap and it was 2.86 mm, ok so just short of 1/8th inch (3.125mm). My first guess of 1/8th inch was by eye, I'm sorry for over estimating.


Happy Vaping!!!

 

[badkolo]

i think they sent out the other type as well and thats why it doesnt fit right or screw down, i had a few like that in my blue packs.

all my stainless steel ones fit perfectly on everything but dont fire on everything do to the inner peace not protruding enough, even though they work on some and not other i fixed those by shaving the the outer ring a tad to expose the inncer ring.

 

[BanjoMan]

Sounds to me like the two things people keep bringing up the most are connector issues and the vape being too hot (dry, harsh) depending on the power source.

Hopefully the connector issue they're working on because if they don't get that fixed and keep blaming all the non-Joye product out there instead, these will never become mainstream in the community and will end up being just another carto choice (that may or may not work on whatever you attach it to).

As far as the other thing - I think a lot of that will be addressed with the higher ohm choices being offered in the XL's as well as the standard 808D-1's. Hopefully they'll eventually offer the higher ohm choice in the regular 510 and M-series cartos, but I haven't seen any signs of that yet. Some people (maybe the 5v+ users) should like these just fine on a 510 battery or eGo, but imo it'll take somebody with major hair on their chest to prefer these things at 3.7 volts. *cough*

I'm lucky enough to be at a pretty happy place at the moment. I'm using the 510's on a device that both a) makes connection, and b) lowers the voltage to a comfortable level. I just ordered some 510/401 adapters so I can try the M-series I have at a lower voltage as well.

Even if they fix all the problems and everything's just peachy going forward, there are probably a few people here (like me) who have a quantity of the early run and want to use them. If you're fine with the flavor you're getting and just have connector issues, all I can really advise is to keep trying different batteries or mods you might have. If you want less voltage (and so far a connector that works with every carto I've screwed onto it), you might want to consider the Little Sister. If nothing else it'll give you a good reason to buy another mod.

 

[br5495]

The 808b (mini) are almost identical to the Joye fittings and would explain why they do not screw all the way down on some fittings. I took a caliper to the gap and it was 2.86 mm, ok so just short of 1/8th inch (3.125mm). My first guess of 1/8th inch was by eye, I'm sorry for over estimating.


Happy Vaping!!!

I hope you don't think I was being critical. I figured what you said was an estimate. Like yours, some of my cartomizers do not screw down all the way and leave a gap. However, I estimated that my gap was less than 1/8". I threw your comment in there in an attempt to verify that my cartomizers have a 510 fitting, same as yours. The fittings are somewhat different on mine, and they all came out of the same blister pack. BTW, I'm actually blind in one eye and do not see all that well out of the other one, so my estimates are not always on the money, either.

 

[br5495]

To fill these cartos, I purchased a 22 gage needle from the local Tractor Supply and blunted it with a dremel. Works great except these 55 year old eyes have problems seeing the hole with my fat fist in the way. Takes longer to clean up the syringe after I'm done than it takes to fill up two of the cartos.

My 75 year old eye has to look through a lighted magnifying glass to see how to poke that little booger.

 

[Spankmeister]

Wow...just read 100+ pages of this thread...
These sound interesting.
I am currently using 510 cartos with my Bartleby and something that won't burn sound great.

 

[BanjoMan]

My 75 year old eye has to look through a lighted magnifying glass to see how to poke that little booger.

I don't know if you guys have tried this, but here's my routine:

1. Pull off mouthpiece cap, insert syringe needle (plunger out).
2. Squeeze 1ml +/- juice into syringe tube.
3. Insert plunger and slowly inject.

At first I was trying to draw the juice from the bottle up into the syringe with the plunger, but it didn't take long to discover I was just making work for myself.

The "hitting the hole" problem reminds me of an old joke, but I won't repeat it here.

 

[badkolo]

I busted out the wood from the garage and now its time to start building that coffin for my atomizers and old cartomizers.


Br, they say sometimes it better to have one eye then 2, that way you only see half the bullchit that goes on. lol

no offence to you in anyway, just a old line my gramps use to tell me.

 

[Spankmeister]

I have read through too many pages now on this thread, way over 75% of them.
Does anyone know if there is a US supplier of the newest ones that work well on 3.7?
Interested in picking a few up.
Thanks!

 

[BanjoMan]

Wow...just read 100+ pages of this thread...
These sound interesting.
I am currently using 510 cartos with my Bartleby and something that won't burn sound great.

Wait for the movie... should be as good as the book.

If you order I recommend the XL cartos. The others might be a little harsh at 3.7v.

Edit: The "newest" cartos probably won't be available here for at least a week.

 

[br5495]

I busted out the wood from the garage and now its time to start building that coffin for my atomizers and old cartomizers.


Br, they say sometimes it better to have one eye then 2, that way you only see half the bullchit that goes on. lol

no offence to you in anyway, just a old line my gramps use to tell me.

No offense taken. I doubt if it's apparent in my posts, but I'm an old bullchitter from way back.

 

[Spankmeister]

Wait for the movie... should be as good as the book.

If you order I recommend the XL cartos. The others might be a little harsh at 3.7v.

Edit: The "newest" cartos probably won't be available here for at least a week.

LOL! Yea, it did read like a screenplay, albiet one that you see on 4am on basic cable....;-)

I will wait till the new XL ones come out.

Thanks Banjoman.

 

[br5495]

I don't know if you guys have tried this, but here's my routine:

1. Pull off mouthpiece cap, insert syringe needle (plunger out).
2. Squeeze 1ml +/- juice into syringe tube.
3. Insert plunger and slowly inject.

At first I was trying to draw the juice from the bottle up into the syringe with the plunger, but it didn't take long to discover I was just making work for myself.

The "hitting the hole" problem reminds me of an old joke, but I won't repeat it here.

I do it a bit different. I remove the needle assembly from the syringe. This easily allows a complete fill from bottle. It holds 3 ml, giving 3 refills for a cartomizer.

 

[jhemps]

I have read through too many pages now on this thread, way over 75% of them.
Does anyone know if there is a US supplier of the newest ones that work well on 3.7?
Interested in picking a few up.
Thanks!

I would also like to know this. Anyone?

 

[v1John]

Not that I know of, but a co-op purchase will hopefully happen soon.

Even to try out (maybe especially), a co-op would have allowed so many people to try different types (510, 808d1 LR, HR, etc.) without having to buy all 30.

For the co-op, keep checking the co-op thread I suppose, it's in the Social Forum, within the Pay It Forward subforum.