2nd Edition Cartomizers - Won't sell to US now !!!

[K24A3]

badkolo and I are quite sure its the Glue that holds the cup in place that is expelling the chemical smell.



Labeled: 20100616
KR808D-1 Battery, and DSE901 Battery (3.7v, 3.3v)
2.7ohms
Various flavors, mostly Dekang. 80% PG, 20%VG

 

[badkolo]

theres your culprit, u see that stuff, thats the cause.

 

[v1John]

theres your culprit, u see that stuff, thats the cause.

I do see the same thing on one of their prefilleds, that's terrible.
They really need to use an aluminum cap, like I mentioned earlier a page or two ago.

So how do you clean them? I just rinsed mine in hot water and still looks the same way. Will boiling them hurt the wick?

nav, bad, please ask them to use a metal cap, they're fitted in place (permanently) just like the bottom of a kr808d1 carto connector.

 

[v1John]

Thanks for the pic, K2.

While you're at it, can you check the bottom of the cup? Check the wires, they run under the cup and right by the wick, possibly heating the wick just a little too much and.. (I hope a slow baking of liquid doesn't gum up the wick near the wire). I hope they use better (submersible) insulation too now.

 

[K24A3]

I will rip one apart and have a look.

Maybe I can somehow salvage these carto's. At the moment they are totally useless due to that chemical smell. It ruins the flavor and probably bad for your health.

ps. Aluminum cup may get quite hot and could melt other parts. Ceramic is the way to go in my opinion. It rebounds heat so the vape is warm, it's chemically safe, and keeps surrounding parts cool from the element.

 

[v1John]

^ hold on, K2. I only recommend an aluminum 'cap' [not cup], but actually it can be the same metal as the carto itself, and underneath it, it can have a spacer-washer like the silicone o-ring. The cap (the suggested metallic one) is simply pressed in just like the bottom of a kr808d1 carto is pressed in. I guess it could even be the same material as the carto itself. I was telling badkolo that with a dremel, I could almost make a metal cap like that myself. The 3-hole cap would look just like the bottom of a kr808d1 carto, except it would have two tiny holes near the edge, and the existing center hole would be just a tad bigger.


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It's interesting too, how many people using lower voltages didn't complain (unless some don't have it), but K2, that kr808d1 battery is probably a 4.2 volt battery. Don't use it on the 2.6 ohm carto, not now, with this stuff. The guy using a little sister turned all the way down actually got a real great flavor too I think.

So it must be a certain temp. (/volts) that this crap can't handle?
Can that stuff be boiled off? Hot water is not doing anything.




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[badkolo]

^ hold on, K2. I only recommend an aluminum 'cap' [not cup], but actually it can be the same metal as the carto itself, and underneath it, it can have a spacer-washer like the silicone o-ring. The cap (the metal one) is simply pressed in just like the bottom of a kr808d1 carto. I guess it could even be the same material as the carto itself. I was telling badkolo that with a dremel, I could almost make a cap like I'm talking about myself. The 3-hole cap would look just like the bottom of a kr808d1 carto, except it would have two tiny holes near the edge, and the existing center hole would be just a tad bigger.


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It's interesting too, how many people using lower voltages didn't complain (unless some don't have it), but K2, that kr808d1 battery is probably a 4.2 volt battery. Don't use it on the 2.6 ohm carto, not now, with this stuff. The guy using a little sister turned all the way down actually got a real great flavor too I think.

So it must be a certain temp. (/volts) that this crap can't handle?
Can that stuff be boiled off? Hot water is not doing anything.




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scrape it off with some thin tool. it need to be burned off, dry burn it off if possible

 

[K24A3]

V1 sry I misread. But you are right, its quite tricky to remove the lower ring at the moment, and the silicon cap seems to be trickier than the Edition 1 silicon caps because they are longer.

It would be great if you could simply lift the Cap on a hinge (like those new eGo ones) and poor the juice straight into a 'filling tube/hole' that enters the main juice reservour.

Also V1, the Battery I'm using for these Edition 2 Carto's is a DSE901 with an extension (DSE901 has same threads as KR808D-1 but lacks the air holes), which runs at 3.3v (I used a multimeter to test the voltage). The KR batteries typically run at around 3.7v, maybe 4.2v when fully charged.

At 3.3v and vaping for only half a second (literally half a second!), the glue chemical stench is very dominant.

I'm gonna have a fiddle around with them now and melt the glue on its own, and compare the smell.

 

[K24A3]

Is that glue actually Super Glue?

I removed some and burnt it, it smelt exactly like normal super glue. Its very hard transparent glue which was surprising, I was expecting it to be the glue you find in HotGlue guns.

When I flange out the plastic cup away from the wire/wick, the chemical smell seems to lessen quite a lot. So maybe it actually is that plastic cup causing the smell?

I'm boiling one of these used carto's now, maybe the juice has been contaminated by some type of bonding chemical/agent used during manufacturing, or the outer metal is expelling the smell.


[Update]

1) Cleaned out a used carto using hot running water
2) Boiled some water and poured into a Mug with the carto
3) Let sit, and rinsed
4) (repeat those steps a few times)
5) Flanged out the plastic cup so the wick slots are wider
6) Dry burnt it for half a second
7) Poured in a bit of juice (same juice as before)

Huge improvement! No more chemical smell! Even when chain vaping it

And thats without the inner ring and the silicon cap inserted.
I reinstalled the ring and cap, still good, but less vapor.

Actually that smell did come back for a second, but I think it was because the juice ran out. I filled it up to the max and its good again

So I guess the secret is to boil all the outgases/glue/etc.. first before using it.
It is possible that the 'super glue' is melting/absorbing into the juice, contaminating it.

Working 20100616 carto

Out of curiosity, I went back to an unboiled carto, I was instantly hit by that foul chemical taste.

I'll try boiling a brand new carto next..

 

[BanjoMan]

badkolo and I are quite sure its the Glue that holds the cup in place that is expelling the chemical smell.



Labeled: 20100616
KR808D-1 Battery, and DSE901 Battery (3.7v, 3.3v)
2.7ohms
Various flavors, mostly Dekang. 80% PG, 20%VG

These guys must have some strange quality control. I've yet to run into one of these that has anywhere near that much glue in it, and I've popped the inner caps out of several dozen from various packs. Judging from that pic they REALLY don't want people taking these out. Strange....

 

[naviathan]

These guys must have some strange quality control. I've yet to run into one of these that has anywhere near that much glue in it, and I've popped the inner caps out of several dozen from various packs. Judging from that pic they REALLY don't want people taking these out. Strange....

I think, aside from keeping the inner cap in place during filling, the glue was intended to keep people from pulling the apart to protect the design. Unfortunately, since they have been pulled apart an unnamed company has already copied the e2 at the request of a US company that will also remain unnamed. There are some legal issues ensuing due to patent infringement. Badkolo has been told the same thing I have, the glue is changing soon to something that is more heat tolerant and doesn't have the smell. I think hot glue would be better as it is more heat tolerant and I don't think it would break down in the liquid, but there's probably a better glue out there and I'm sure they're accounting for this.

As for the notice on the website, it's only the US that's getting orders held up since we're obviously the most picky customers they have, lol. All of this should be ironed out soon and hopefully we'll see the perfect E2 cartos.

 

[jjrose]

I like being able to take out the inner cap. It's way easier to fill without the inner cap so I haven't put it back in.
Mine didn't have any glue that I can see.

 

[naviathan]

I like being able to take out the inner cap. It's way easier to fill without the inner cap so I haven't put it back in.
Mine didn't have any glue that I can see.

Without the inner cap it's very easy for the cartos to leak.

 

[K24A3]

The inner cap comes out ok on my carto's using a Torque screwdriver to lift it via the center hole.

Sometimes the cup comes up with the plate but doesn't seem to damage anything. It goes back down ok.

By the way boiling the new carto's before filling works very well. No more chemical taste.

These things are great, better air flow, better TH and flavor, easier and less messy to fill, should last longer due to no filler.

Looking forward to the latest ones with the ceramic cup

 

[BanjoMan]

Without the inner cap it's very easy for the cartos to leak.

Agreed, unless you're using it on something like a Chuck that stands vertical all the time.

 

[tiburonfirst]

so it seems we're back to square one with all the less adventurous vapers being told to wait for yet another revision??
since i'm watching this thread because of the 401s, are there any updates on them?
banjoman assured me i don't want to try the early version on my stock 401 batteries due to a rather harsh taste, so i'm in limbo, sort of

and we might have a pif co-op starting on these in a few days

 

[jjrose]

Without the inner cap it's very easy for the cartos to leak.

I know.
I put the inner cap in when I'm out and about, but when I'm home it's easier to leave it out and set my riva upright.

 

[BanjoMan]

so it seems we're back to square one with all the less adventurous vapers being told to wait for yet another revision??
since i'm watching this thread because of the 401s, are there any updates on them?
banjoman assured me i don't want to try the early version on my stock 401 batteries due to a rather harsh taste, so i'm in limbo, sort of

and we might have a pif co-op starting on these in a few days

imo the early 401's don't wick well enough compared to the 510's I'm using. I placed another order for 30 and should have them in a few days.

 

[naviathan]

For all those watching this thread to know when to order, wait. We're still waiting for the latest and greatest to see how they are going to react to our PVs. This product obviously isn't completely ready yet, but the manufacturer is working with us. They're making great efforts to improve the product to meet our expectations. We can argue all day long that they should have waited to release them, it's an incomplete product, the customer service sucks, etc, etc... Yes we know, but we have to hand it to the manufacturer that they've taken all this in stride and continued to make improvements based on our input. So lets let those of us willing to be the test beds work these things out and we'll let you know when to order. If you can't handle getting a possibly bad product from China, then don't order before we get a complete revision with plenty of reviews.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

I think, aside from keeping the inner cap in place during filling, the glue was intended to keep people from pulling the apart to protect the design. Unfortunately, since they have been pulled apart an unnamed company has already copied the e2 at the request of a US company that will also remain unnamed. There are some legal issues ensuing due to patent infringement. Badkolo has been told the same thing I have, the glue is changing soon to something that is more heat tolerant and doesn't have the smell. I think hot glue would be better as it is more heat tolerant and I don't think it would break down in the liquid, but there's probably a better glue out there and I'm sure they're accounting for this.

As for the notice on the website, it's only the US that's getting orders held up since we're obviously the most picky customers they have, lol. All of this should be ironed out soon and hopefully we'll see the perfect E2 cartos.

I don't think that should really be a big issue for the consumer... especially from a china based plant.... I mean who would care if some other china manufacture produces these.. if they add improvements.. plus if it will be available to the US market by a reseller with true customer support (that last part is an assumtion.. since that is what we expect from resellers.. and for them to stay in business) another hope for the consumer that does order from china that a more reputable wholesaler gets a hold of these.. reputable meaning already have a big consumer base

Not all had glue in them... so I think it as stated before from others more of QC issue then a "design" issue... and the ones with glue... should have been caught pre-production since the first time it was released it was supposedly tested to be perfect


I guess I don't fall under that category of being picky

Don't get me wrong you do put out some useful information, but I guess I am the only one that can misconstrue some of the posts to be more on the PR side....

Also don't twist what I am trying to say... there is nothing wrong for people out there that are willing to put out the time/effort/and money for testing the latest and "greatest" But I also know that members can get caught up in the hype.. and maybe miss following a long ... thread.. and purchase something who otherwise wouldn't... and then forced to became a mad scientist to get them to work (what is easy to some isn't necessarily easy for the masses)

By the way I have had a few telephone conversations... so I personally did research, but I hold it all as bullox, since it is coming from a source that is trying to promote their own product.... I feel if a company was concerned with consumers well being they would stop orders being made by the average joe and let the resellers work out the bugs... this would truly protect us... (of course that hurts for us experimental types)

I was going to hold off posting,.. when it looked like it was helping the people that already purchased them... and when it was just the brainstorming of the few curious......But I feel this had to be said.. to qusi-watchdog.. any others that have been trying to following this and not posting.

so carry on with this thread.. I have made my comment for the "record" and of course this is only one duck's opinion .. so it is more than welcome to be ignored.

LGD

EDIT: Follow up post... since a comment was posted that cleared up what I was saying

see my next post