#500 SS Mesh

[LucidAce]

I'm thinking he's talking about the fact the it's a woven pattern?

 

[BJ43]

If you don't believe the calculator here is the formula.
If the outer diameter of the rolled material is D, the inner diameter d, the thickness of the material T, and the length L, then the following equation is true:

π[D2/4 - d2/4] = LT

L = π[D2/4 - d2/4]/T

 

[gdeal]

Should have been clearer.... BJ your math is good.

I assume that if the mesh is woven, the individual wires would overlap, so the maximum mesh thickness is double the wire thickness. Mesh thickness would vary between the wire and the wire overlap though.

 

[BJ43]

Should have been clearer.... BJ your math is good.

I assume that if the mesh is woven, the individual wires would overlap, so the maximum mesh thickness is double the wire thickness. Mesh thickness would vary between the wire and the wire overlap though.

Got it, probably the .025 is not exact as it is a mesh and not flat. Since the mostess is the bestess I just put as much as I can in the wick hole by trial and error.

 

[Jimi D.]

Got it, probably the .025 is not exact as it is a mesh and not flat. Since the mostess is the bestess I just put as much as I can in the wick hole by trial and error.

I was thinking, what if the mesh was flat? Could it be flattened in a roll press?

 

[BJ43]

I was thinking, what if the mesh was flat? Could it be flattened in a roll press?

If you flatten the wire it would make the holes smaller (better), but a flat wider wire would make it further for the juice to travel (adhesion) between holes.

 

[junkman]

Quick question- is it ok to use an IMR battery instead of a protected battery per vendor's website?

Also, why would I be seeing better results with an IMR vs. a protected battery? Does protected battery limit watts or other elements that an IMR battery doesn't?

Thanks!

 

[PEneoark]

Now I am using a rather thick wick with 4/5 wrap of 30g kanthal. It seems like its taking a few seconds to heat up and produce thick vapor. If I chain vape it after my initial puff, it's fine. Is this normal?

 

[PEneoark]

I just thought that IMR batts were safer chemistry batteries and had a higher C rating.

 

[LucidAce]

I really appreciate all that this thread has taught me about genesis atomizers and the principles that make them work properly, but, as a rookie to this scene, I still have questions about how to get them working reliably. The posts from longtime users here highlights that it's never going to be as simple as wrap-and-go, but I'm sure there are good common sense practices and techniques I should adopt. I didn't want to sidetrack this thread so, if some of you could be so kind as to visit my "Calling all Genisis Pros" and throw in some information that'd be fantastic. Thanks!

 

[BJ43]

Got my 9 Duds wicked and coiled, 12 amp VV almost finished to handle 3 at a time. Some new lab experiments. I will start a new myth buster thread. I sure it will start some good discussion. I think I will call it. "Less than 6 wraps is inefficient" . In other word never less than six wraps for an efficient burn area and better to increase the gauge to lower ohms than decrease wraps. Again these lab tests are about vaper volume. I use the word wraps just for simplicity, the tests will be with measured wire length.

 

[TomCatt]

Just that the real world doesn't always conform to equations and specifications .

I was just pondering all the different wick sizes for all the various wick hole sizes on the different devices that have been talked about in here. I was just trying to come up with a simple way for folks to figure out what size mesh to use based on their wick hole size because I see this asked all the time (myself included) and thought maybe I could offer something back to the community for a change rather than just asking questions all the time. lol

Mathematically some of them don't seem possible based on the wire diameters of the popular #400 and #500 mesh.

For example: Someone previously posted that for a 3mm hole you can use a 60mm wick. This makes perfect sense mathematically if you can roll it so tight that there is no center hole.
The math is simply (3/.025=120)/2=60

I think I saw where BJ said he can get a 55mm (max) wick into a 2mm hole. Again using my generic math that would be (2/.025=80)/2=40
The only way this can happen is BJ and others must be compressing it so tight that the wires are actually pressing and squeezing in between each other some how. I don't know if that's even possible but that's all I can come with.

What are your thoughts about this? Is my simple little brain missing something here?


Specifications are as follows:

Mesh Count: #400 mesh - 400 wires or holes per linear inch.
Wire Diameter: 0.025mm
Aperture: 0.039mm - this is the hole size and it is square
Open Area %: 36.8%

and

Mesh Count: #500 mesh - 500 wires or holes per linear inch.
Wire Diameter: 0.025mm
Aperture: 0.026mm - this is the hole size and it is square
Open Area %: 26%

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[asdaq]

Give em hell BJ!

 

[vapspaz]

Just that the real world doesn't always conform to equations and specifications .

I hear that! LOL
Good job on that calc app bro. Thanks for putting it together and sharing it.



BJ - Make sure you post a link in here so we can find it. I personally don't crawl from under my few rocks very often and I don't want to miss it.

 

[ricklynchcore]

Got my 9 Duds wicked and coiled, 12 amp VV almost finished to handle 3 at a time. Some new lab experiments. I will start a new myth buster thread. I sure it will start some good discussion. I think I will call it. "Less than 6 wraps is inefficient" . In other word never less than six wraps for an efficient burn area and better to increase the gauge to lower ohms than decrease wraps. Again these lab tests are about vaper volume. I use the word wraps just for simplicity, the tests will be with measured wire length.

Wow six wraps, first I don't know how to accomplish, no room, 4 wraps crowd my did. Second, 6 wraps and my ohms would soar, unless I use a bicycle chain as coil. I have no doubt you accomplished this, its obvious you are scientific in nature, but for the average guy, this sounds near impossible to get right.

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[BJ43]

Wow six wraps, first I don't know how to accomplish, no room, 4 wraps crowd my did. Second, 6 wraps and my ohms would soar, unless I use a bicycle chain as coil. I have no doubt you accomplished this, its obvious you are scientific in nature, but for the average guy, this sounds near impossible to get right.

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I am using 28g A1 so it would be impossible to get the ohms to soar, I use 10 wraps on the DID and only get 2.2 ohms.

 

[BJ43]

6 wraps 28g 1.8 ohm oval coil in vivi nova

 

[Currynoah]

Oooh boy. I'm gonna have permanent crossed eyes.

 

[CountSmackula]

OMG... I finally finished reading the whole thread. It's taken days & there's so much to process. Three Griffins/Chids to practice on (w/ 2 more coming in Bucky's latest co-op). I'll either get it right, or lose my mind in the process.

 

[Pete54]

Now I am using a rather thick wick with 4/5 wrap of 30g kanthal. It seems like its taking a few seconds to heat up and produce thick vapor. If I chain vape it after my initial puff, it's fine. Is this normal?

In my experience, yes, that is exactly what I get as well.