What size drill bit for the Orion? Metric I assume? I can't remember but think the wick hole is 2.5mm?
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What size drill bit for the Orion? Metric I assume? I can't remember but think the wick hole is 2.5mm?
To bad the FQ tubing wasn't 2.5mm ID, it would insulate the wick from base. The base would obviously need to modified for the tube, but then again how big of issue is it really.
howdy, so after reading a good bit of this thread I'm convinced that #500+ is best for wicking PG & VG. For over a week I've been trying the different wick rolling methods listed here using #500 & have had great results with most juices but I also like some very thick dark coffee type flavors. These are not wicking well & flavor is muted. Do you think there's a point when #500+ mesh could be a hindrance to very thick flavors & it's better to go back to #400 or below? I'd be sacrificing the faster wicking to allow flavor to pass through, even if it means relying on gravity & tilting eternally. - - - I ask mainly because all I currently have is #500 & am looking for info before ordering a lower grade mesh.
400 will not wick better than the 500, if it is cold out you may try thinning the juice a little. Thick juice actually wicks higher and faster on 500 than 400, but a thinner juice will always wick faster than a thick juice in the same wick. Actually 635 wicks even better than 500 with thick 100% VG Bobas.
I'll have to the throw the calipers on it when I get home. I have a box of about 100 different TI coated bits, they are all standard (not metric) by decimals of an inch. If I had to guess I would say 2.4mm roughly because it slides in with out any hang up, but it pretty much takes up the entire wick hole.
thanks. I guess I figure there's a point when 100% VG is thin like water compared to some of this thick flavoring in juice. & at that point the thick juice might travel faster through a lower mesh. I have no science to back it up as you can probably tell, except an iHybrid that won't wick. not even sure if my problem is just the wick, pretty new to genesis. enjoyed reading your info.
I too am new to the genny and here are my two cents. I am using a DID clone and the wick hole is about 2 mm. Vaping Boba's as well as a 50/50 FSUSA liquid. I tried the mesh that came with the unit and results were mixed. Sometimes I would got good hits..other time dry. Flavor was about the same as a carto. I switched and started using the 500 mesh. First results were not great. My first time using it and well...like I said...this is all new to me. I think I actually got the wick too tight. Im not sure exactly...because I had to trim the wick down to get it to slip inside my drill bit rolled coil... how much mesh I used, but I would estimate about 60 mm...maybe more. Rolled it as tight as I possibly could. I mean I rolled it tight!!. The wick was rock hard. I got about the same results as with the 300 mesh. OK...second atempt. This time I did not try and make it a solid piece of fused SS at the end of the process. I made the inside hole as small as possible....by the looks of it... pin sized. I could barely make out some daylight down the center. So I tried to keep it "solid". I continued to roll it tight. The end result was a "solid" wick that was still a bit spongy. Not a "nail" as others described. Results are fantastic. Great flavor, vapor, and not a single dry hit. I think the use of the word "tight" is subjective. Tight to me might mean something different to someone else. One thing is clear to me. The 500 mesh works extremely well when the wick is rolled correctly. I think trial and error, as always, will come in to play. If the results you get are not what you are looking for...try again and do something a bit different. It is clear that BJ is right. Until you reach a point where the liquid can't possible wick due to the internal structure of the wick, the 500 and 600 mess is simply going to out perform the 300 and 400. However; regardless of the materials used, the set up has to be right...or at least close.
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One more thought on expectations. If you expect to get Emonty results (post # 131) using a 1.8mm wick on a amp restricted mod like a provari, which is what I use btw, just because you switched to 500 mesh, you are going to be dissapointed. The size of the wick is going to play into the effeciency of the wick as a hole. There is going to be a recovery time no matter how good the wicking properties of the material used. The point is that the 500 mesh recovers quicker than the 300. If you want to chain vape clouds of vapor, its going to require a big enough wick capible of recovering the juice at the same rate as consumption. Otherwise it will eventually dry up.
I roll a tight unoxidized wick which isn't nearly as stiff as a oxidized one. Then I wrap my 2/3 coil and pulse away until it glows evenly. An unoxidized wick saturates so much better than a fully oxidized one!
I will say at first I didn't understand the hype around 500 mesh. Eventually I realized The mesh company labeled the free bonus 200 mesh as 500 mesh and left the 500 mesh unlabeled. Ha!
I will say at first I didn't understand the hype around 500 mesh. Eventually I realized The mesh company labeled the free bonus 200 mesh as 500 mesh and left the 500 mesh unlabeled. Ha!
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studiovap, I calculated that your first version of that #500 mesh wick (180mm*37.5mm, diameter 3.5mm) can hold up 0.23 ml of juice, and the second one ((180mm-55mm)*37.5mm, diameter 3.4mm) 0.25 ml.Ok I am finally convinced that more mesh is only better to a point. having been running 180-170mmx37.5mm wick in my DID std wickhole (3.5mm) with a 7wrap 0.9 Ohm nichrome coil for a few days on my Paps I was feeling pretty stoked, but to be totally honest on a fresh battery it was a little on the burnt side and even around 3.80v I had to be careful to rest a moment between long double draws. So I had a sudden realization, and that was that if I had rolled my #500 mesh super tight, which I had, then how much juice could it really hold up top under the coil. sure it wicks fast, but It has no real reservoir of juice to supply to the coil. At least that was my thinking. so I pulled my 180mm wick out of the coil, dry burned the coil and took the scissors to my beautiful 180mm wick, I trimmed off around 50-60mm (leaving around 115mm) unwrapped, it and rerolled it a little less tightly to fit the 3.4mm coil size.
After dry burning and adjusting the coils WOW! what a difference, It wicks like crazy, seriously crazy. I've been running my 180mm fat wick in the DId with my adjustable tank breather screw about 3/4 the way out, and with this new looser rolled wick I have it almost all the way in otherwise it wicks too well, I have NO LEAKS AT ALL EVER, and I can take quadruple toke chain vapes without ANY dry or burnt tasting hits.
Now I know BJ is going to tell me again that only superman could roll wick too tight to be efficient, and as far as capillary action is concerned that is probably true, but I have tried vaping my DID at 6"o'clock position, and it just doesn't feel natural, but it does still give flawless performance, so I imagine we are seeing a happy balance of capillary & volcanic rise action here, and not gravitation flow, either way I am super happy with this new "semi solid" "semi tight rolled" super wick. Until I make the next personal breakthrough in my coil/mesh wick set up LOL
Do you think that difference is any significant or is there something other reason which caused that vaping improving?
Like this way:
Volume1(diameter 3.5mm, h 37.5mm) = pi*(3.5mm/2)^2 *37.5mm = 360.8 mm^3 = 0.3608 ml
length/square of wires(500/inch): 19.685mm/mm^2(direction 1) + 19.685mm/mm^2(direction 2) = 39.37 mm/mm^2
diameter of wires: 0.025 mm
length of wires1: 180 mm *37.5 mm * 39.37 mm/mm^2 = 265748 mm
Volume of wires1: pi * (0.025 mm/2)^2 * 265748 mm = 130.4 mm^3 = 0.1304 ml
Volume left: 0.3608 ml - 0.1304 ml = 0.23 ml
Nice work on the calculation Pepo. Lol.
I'm closer to 75mm-95mm on average with my 3.1-3.3mm diameter wicks in the DID, and yes I feel now it's less about the juice capacity and more about wick breathing and volcanic action.
My Paps back when I posted that was running with a serious voltage drop due to the standard hotspring. I was only getting around 3.2v under load from a 4.2v freshly charged battery, now with a solid brass insert I'm getting around 3.85v under load, my current 0.7ohm coil is really going great with a semi solid rolled wick vs a solid wick.
Thanks but I'm not SO smart.
I forgot the angles of the wires when they walking through of each other. At ideal situation (when wires are tight) this multiply the length of wires for number of 1.14 Then volume of the wires1 would be about 0.15 ml, and the whole volume 0.21 ml.
And the second version of the wick would be about 0.24 ml.
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Don't ya just love the usefulness of maths!
I do not know its usefulness but sometimes it's just fun.
It's not that difficult math than it looks. The other peoples math looks always difficult.
When I taught high school Economics, I always made sure to make the kids do calculations. They hated me for it, but it brought home that you are going to need math skills.
I know we all need math skills.......but I can say that I have never had to sit down and figure out a problem like above. I did on line algebra intermediate and advanced for my degree (at 43 years old) and wow was that a struggle. My brain does not function that way.
When I taught high school Economics, I always made sure to make the kids do calculations. They hated me for it, but it brought home that you are going to need math skills.
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